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Squad1. Jones
2. Johnson
3. Konchesky
4. Meireles
5. Agger
6. Aurelio
8. Gerrard
9. Torres
10. J Cole
12. Pacheco
14. Jovanovic
16. Kyrgiakos
17. Maxi
18. Kuyt
19. Babel
21. Lucas
22. D Wilson
23. Carragher
24. Ngog
25. Reina
26. Spearing
28. Poulsen
30. Itandje
32. Darby
33. Shelvey
34. Kelly
36. Irwin
37. Skrtel
39. Eccleston
40. Ayala
41. Hansen
42. Gulacsi
43. Bouzanis
44. Palsson
45. Ince
46. Amoo
47. Wisdom
48. Bruna
49. Robinson
- Aquilani
- Brouwer
- Chamberlain
- Cooper
- Degen
- El Zhar
- Flanagan
- Insua
- Kohlert
- Mavinga
- Mendy
- Roberts
- Saric
- Simon
Barclays Premier League squad player
StaffRoy Hodgson Manager
Sammy Lee Assistant Manager
Mike Kelly First-team Coach
John McMahon Reserves Manager
John Achterberg Reserves Goalkeeping Coach
Eduardo Macia Chief Scout
Mike McGlynn Assistant Chief Scout
Peter Brukner Head of Sports Medicine and Sports Science
Zaf Iqbal First Team Doctor
Darren Burgess Head of Fitness and Conditioning
Phil Coles Head of Physical Therapies
Rob Price Senior Physiotherapist
Andrew Nealon Senior Physiotherapist
Matt Konopinski Physiotherapist
Chris Morgan Physiotherapist
Jordan Milsom Rehab Fitness Coach
Alan McCall Sports Scientist
Ivan Ortega Sports Therapist
Paul Small Masseur
Sylvan Richardson Masseur
Graham Carter Kit Manager
Lee Radcliffe First Team Kit-Man
Barry Drust Sports Science Consultant
James Morton Consultant Nutritionist
Andy Scoulding Head of Technical Analysis
Billy Parry Video Analyst
Alec Scott Match Analysis Assistant
James Malone Sports Science Graduate

Thats the full list of professional on the books from the official.
 
[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=42483.msg1209093#msg1209093 date=1288562028]
Erm, I think we can survive without our academy Asbo when you look at what has been produced for our first team.
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We have just invested in the academy, thats where all the bargains, the Messi's Ronaldo's Fowlers Barnes Daglish's and McManamans are supposed to come from?
 
One minute people are saying we should be like Arsenal they are built the right way, the next they want to scrap the Acadamy, and compete with Chelsea United City etc etc for the premium players?
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=42483.msg1209086#msg1209086 date=1288561810]
Explain fring players?

To me that would be people like Patcheo Kelly Spearing Darby Eccleston Ayala Hansen Wisdom Robinson Wilson and Da La Valle?

I can't see them being on much at the moment?
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It's the likes of degen, el zhar, jova, maxi etc who are on high wages (yes I know dehen is on loan) and yet tend not to get a look in. while I understand the need for these players, they shouldn't be on the extortionate wages they are. Plus, the likes of brouwer etc who will never get a look in should be ditched immediately, no matter how "little" they are on.
 
I think even the reserves are on a fair wage. How those figures compare to our rivals' equivalent I don't know but it's certainly not a pittance.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=42483.msg1218794#msg1218794 date=1289832816]
Thanks Binny. So does he mean it about not spending in January, or is he just downplaying it so we don't expect too much?

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Cheers Bunny. I guess its an honest answer in some sense - the potentially inflated prices, the availability of players/willingness to move on midway thru a season - esp to those who are currently regulars in their respective teams, the managerial situation - irregardless of DOF's position, I'd like to think the DOF would still involve the manager in discussions, be it brief or indepth, regarding potential signings and perhaps in view of lowering the current wage bill before adding on bodies - from their business point of view.

That said, we ought to be ready to swoop for the supposedly worthy ones - perhaps the likes of Afellay etc.
 
'Billy Parry - Video Analyst'

He would be the first one on my list to get the boot. For several reasons.
 
The "did he make a profit on transfers" is pointless and futile. He didn't, but all he would have needed to balance the books over his reign was flog Torres and reina.

At the end of the day even without those sales we're talking of a net spend of £10-15m a season.

So we spent money, we accumulated income from sales, we increased the value of the squad and we had some success on the pitch.

One would have hoped for more success, but given that during his time here the only managers more successful than him had either the (at the time) most expensively assembled squad in the league (Jose) and the mist successfully manager in the league over the last 20 years (fergie), it's retarded to not afford him some acknowledgement of having done a decent job.

His record while he was in here was no worse than wengers over the same period of time and much better than anyone elses.

Ulitmately it's his fault it unravelled
 
I honestly do not believe we would be much better off had Benitez stayed.

That performance against Chelsea on the final day of the season was utterly comical.
 
I don't either. A lot of people have themselves convinced that Roy's tactics are our biggest problem and that we wouldn't be playing anything like we are under Rafa, but to be honest we're not all that different than we were last year.

And if people want to have a look at what Benitez is actually doing tactically at the moment, here's a report on his last match:

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/11/15/inter-0-1-milan-tactics/

Some people have clearly forgotten days like this under him too:

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/01/16/an-incredibly-negative-line-up-from-rafa-benitez/

And if people actually read through a number of articles on that site you won't find a lot of positivity about the tactical genius of Rafa.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42483.msg1219069#msg1219069 date=1289887645]
I honestly do not believe we would be much better off had Benitez stayed.

That performance against Chelsea on the final day of the season was utterly comical.
[/quote]

I suppose the question is. Would we have been any worse off?

If not, then why did we replace him?
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42483.msg1219074#msg1219074 date=1289891917]
haha there are Liverpool fans defending him on an Inter forum.
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Yea, it'd be crazy for them to be obsessed with a manager we don't have anymore, wouldn't it?
 
You're becoming like the Irish government Fark. Ignoring reality and shouting down anyone who cares to point out the obvious.
 
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=42483.msg1219078#msg1219078 date=1289893774]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42483.msg1219069#msg1219069 date=1289887645]
I honestly do not believe we would be much better off had Benitez stayed.

That performance against Chelsea on the final day of the season was utterly comical.
[/quote]

I suppose the question is. Would we have been any worse off?

If not, then why did we replace him?
[/quote]

It's a good question, in fairnedd.

The board thought tehy were doing the right thing, but it obviously hasnt worked out that way.

We'd probably be better off had Rafa stayed in terms of points; in fact it's possible we;d have the same tally as last year at this point.

HIs supporters here will rightly say that Hodgson was and is a far inferior manager to Rafa and that his appointment didnt make sense.

I would agree that relacing Rafa with Hodgson didnt make sense; but that replacing Rafa did.

It's all speculation, of course...but I don't think he'd have been able to fix the mistakes he helped make.

His one true failure was probably in getting the tranfers monumentally wrong at the worst possible time; ie when the money ran out.

This created weaknesses in the squad,and whilst it may be fair to say that 7th last year was an underachievement, in all honesty I don't think we were that much better.

(better than where HOdgson has left us, admittedly)

I also don't think he was sacked because of one bad finish, as has been suggested.

My guess is that he was sacked due to a combination of factors.

It';s possible that the board regarded him as a potentially difficult manager at a time when we were facing massive upheavals.

Hodgson, being the lame duck manager he is,was as meek as a lamb during all the ownership negotiations and said nothing.

I think Rafa would have been very interested in this issue, and would have very publicly backed one or the other bids, depending on which bid he thought served te team's interests better. There's nothing wrong with that, and any successful manager would want that.

But it's possible that the board might have thought differently,bearing in mind Rafa's position of influence with the fans and his ability in using the media. This may have in the end tippe it in favour of getting a 'steady' manager.

Even if he's turned into anything but.

I also think that the board looked at Rafa's six year tenure and thought that he'd done well initially, but that as a whole the squad was still weak and that he might not have been able to get anything from his squad.

This was the reason why I touched on the squad weakness yesterday.

It wasnt to slag Rafa, it was to suggest that we may have serious problems that would be or real concern to ay manager, be it a good one like Rafa or a crap one like Hodgson.

It's possible that any manager coming in will have some problems tuyrning our squad into anything even resemblin a cohesive force; thankfully the next manager we get probably wont be as bad as Hodgson.

Hopefully.

The criminal error was in selecting Hodgson over Pellegrini and Hiddink.

It's pssible that Rafa might have fixed things eventually, and that last season's finish was just a blip, but with serious weaknesses in the squad, it's hard to say if he'd be able to get the squad to perform this season either.

I'm not trying to re-ignite any debate, this is just my honest view of why he was sacked, from the perspective of the board.

I may have not taken cognizance of some things (and anyone should feel free to point out my errors), and I am just trying to suggest a possible scenario.
 
Your views have been well voiced on here over the last several years, and are fairly mainstream for this site, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

It's your tone that's obnoxious, your obvious joy in picking at a man who whether you like him or not, did some wonderful things at the club. At times you have this obvious discomfort with the proposition that the owners are the simple, easy and correct explanation for our downfall as primary authors of the destruction of the club over the last couple years, even though you know you can't quite muster a counterargument.

Rafa fell apart when asked to deal with less money, at a time the club had already signaled to the world we'd be going backwards. He shoulders a lot of the blame, the owners shoulder more. Not only that but they deserve more anger, because they were cunts who never genuinely believed or cared about the best interests of the club, while Rafa genuinely did, even though he was horribly wrong at the end. Perhaps you believe he was some Machiavellian cunt out for his own interests, I'd suggest that's just as ridiculous as those on that Inter forum, on the other extreme.

Can we just fucking move on? It's sad watching Rafa cultists, and it's sad to watch their opposites as well. It's like when we sold Robbie Keane, you were almost sad to see him go because it ended your opportunity to bang everyone over the head with the fact that you were right. Then you went on about it for months after the fact. And now he's your avatar.
 
If the facts upon which Fark bases his opinion were correct I would agree with him. The trouble is Rafa didn't have to deal with less money, every single year the money we spent on the team went up. Rafa tied all the money up in wages. When he took over the wage bill was 65m, its now 120m. So if you take the average net spend to be the oft quoted 16m, Resources available to him increased by nearly 50%. It was his decision making that fucked us up.

It's an absolutely fantastic myth that we were scuppered by interest payments. And I think people will only begin to realise this when we don't have a 40 m net spend next summer, which we could have if interest payments were our only problem.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42483.msg1219097#msg1219097 date=1289898182]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=42483.msg1219078#msg1219078 date=1289893774]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42483.msg1219069#msg1219069 date=1289887645]
I honestly do not believe we would be much better off had Benitez stayed.

That performance against Chelsea on the final day of the season was utterly comical.
[/quote]

I suppose the question is. Would we have been any worse off?

If not, then why did we replace him?
[/quote]

It's a good question, in fairnedd.

The board thought tehy were doing the right thing, but it obviously hasnt worked out that way.

We'd probably be better off had Rafa stayed in terms of points; in fact it's possible we;d have the same tally as last year at this point.

HIs supporters here will rightly say that Hodgson was and is a far inferior manager to Rafa and that his appointment didnt make sense.

I would agree that relacing Rafa with Hodgson didnt make sense; but that replacing Rafa did.

It's all speculation, of course...but I don't think he'd have been able to fix the mistakes he helped make.

His one true failure was probably in getting the tranfers monumentally wrong at the worst possible time; ie when the money ran out.

This created weaknesses in the squad,and whilst it may be fair to say that 7th last year was an underachievement, in all honesty I don't think we were that much better.

(better than where HOdgson has left us, admittedly)

I also don't think he was sacked because of one bad finish, as has been suggested.

My guess is that he was sacked due to a combination of factors.

It';s possible that the board regarded him as a potentially difficult manager at a time when we were facing massive upheavals.

Hodgson, being the lame duck manager he is,was as meek as a lamb during all the ownership negotiations and said nothing.

I think Rafa would have been very interested in this issue, and would have very publicly backed one or the other bids, depending on which bid he thought served te team's interests better. There's nothing wrong with that, and any successful manager would want that.

But it's possible that the board might have thought differently,bearing in mind Rafa's position of influence with the fans and his ability in using the media. This may have in the end tippe it in favour of getting a 'steady' manager.

Even if he's turned into anything but.

I also think that the board looked at Rafa's six year tenure and thought that he'd done well initially, but that as a whole the squad was still weak and that he might not have been able to get anything from his squad.

This was the reason why I touched on the squad weakness yesterday.

It wasnt to slag Rafa, it was to suggest that we may have serious problems that would be or real concern to ay manager, be it a good one like Rafa or a crap one like Hodgson.

It's possible that any manager coming in will have some problems tuyrning our squad into anything even resemblin a cohesive force; thankfully the next manager we get probably wont be as bad as Hodgson.

Hopefully.

The criminal error was in selecting Hodgson over Pellegrini and Hiddink.

It's pssible that Rafa might have fixed things eventually, and that last season's finish was just a blip, but with serious weaknesses in the squad, it's hard to say if he'd be able to get the squad to perform this season either.

I'm not trying to re-ignite any debate, this is just my honest view of why he was sacked, from the perspective of the board.

I may have not taken cognizance of some things (and anyone should feel free to point out my errors), and I am just trying to suggest a possible scenario.
[/quote]

Some good points there Avvy.
Did we pick Roy over those two candidates, or did they not want the job?

regards
 
Rafa was never hampered by the fact we had no money to spend, but Purslow describes the battle he faced attempting to manage our load of debt and meeting operational expenses. That makes sense. We floated crazy loan deals that were preposterous, and demanded up front payments from all out going transfers, just to amuse ourselves.

Wages have been skyrocketing every single year, and went up quite significantly over the last five. Every team has to struggle with this, and it's clearly unsustainable. You position yourself as if you've scoured our financials, and have some knowledge we are too naive to see, then make arguments that ignore basic financial variables like rapid wage inflation. All to make points we're already well aware of.

Of course interest payments aren't are only issue. We need to increase, among other things, matchday revenue in order to be able to remain profitable and competitive long term, and we need to make better investments with our players. That's hardly news. Every team, bar the obvious ones, have had to institute austerity measures and change their plans. But isn't this really the proposition we started with 10 years ago, now with more urgency? Isn't that what we'd have addressed, had not it been for the abject failure of H&Gs business model built around unsustainable market conditions?

And what is this argument all about again? You think Rafa is more responsible for the shit state of the club than the failure of our disastrous former owners? You won't accept my point that Rafa failed to deal with a more restrictive financial situation, because you think that uncontroversial statement might hint at some other strawman about him not having adequate money to spend? You want to great take pains to make sure that Rafa is apportioned the majority of the blame, and see a pretty moderate argument that both were responsible, though the owners more fundamentally, as somehow ignoring reality? Yup, it's me that's lost touch, isn't it? I'm the nutty one.

The war is over. You won, I guess, Rafa fell apart and we went to shit. Again, can we fucking move on?
 
So your aware of everything but still quote untruths and base your opinion on those falsehoods?

I think I do win.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42483.msg1219135#msg1219135 date=1289903931]
So your aware of everything but still quote untruths and base your opinion on those falsehoods?

I think I do win.
[/quote]

So are you of the opinion that Budgie is a better Liverpool manager than Benitez?
Are you happy that Budgie is our manager now?
 
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