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Henry Speaks to RAWK

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So on to the questions, all these have come directly from fans on the site. I have tried to group them into themed areas to make things easier. I guess the first theme is Why Liverpool?

1. Given that financially there are far more reliable investments. What motivates you to invest in and buy sports clubs?
We are an organization filled with people who are driven to compete at the highest level. There certainly are better investments than sports clubs, but we know that everything we do has meaning to large numbers of people. And what we do has meaning for us. We wake up every day thinking about what we can do improve our chances of winning a championship. It’s incredibly interesting and we really enjoy working together toward a common goal.

2. What was your motivation, individually and as a company, for buying Liverpool FC? Was there one thing that sold the club to you?
We kept seeing the similarities to purchasing the Red Sox in 2002. They’ve been recounted in the media. But the most important issue for us was the ability to compete at the highest level in the world’s biggest sport. Liverpool FC provides that opportunity. I believe almost any sports fan would purchase a club, if they had the means. We had the means – both financially and with regard to organizational strength - to run one of the most coveted sports clubs in the world. It’s a privilege.

3. It's naiive to think you made the decision to buy Liverpool FC without the input of any "football people". Care to name-drop those who advised you during your due dilligence?
We did our own due diligence. We don’t know English football, but we do know the sports business. It’s been a very steep learning curve – but one that has been rewarding and interesting. The structure of football in Europe is totally different from what we are used to. It’s fascinating and challenging. Now we are lucky enough to be meeting football people who can give us input. Our biggest responsibility is to bring in the right people to the club on and off the field.


The next group of questions are unfortunately your inheritance from the previous owners.

4. How have NESV funded the £300m acquisition?
This simple answer is that we paid cash for LFC and left £37 million of stadium debt in place – even though there is no stadium in place – just a lot of expensive plans etc. We view stadiums as separate from clubs. They are separate entities.

We have some very successful partners – some of whom are big EPL fans – and we are well-financed internally. But NESV has always had debt from the first day we purchased the Red Sox. We have some partners who look at Internal Rate of Return and almost demand that we have debt as a consequence. Debt increases IRR.

I recently read the New York Yankees have $3.5 billion of debt, but I’ve never heard a Yankee fan complain about it. I’ve never heard a Red Sox fan complain about the usage of credit. Credit is probably more acceptable in American culture than elsewhere. But you have some people that are good at borrowing money and poor at investing beyond that. There are others – and we feel we are in this camp – have lines of credit etc., that are good at running businesses prudently and invest in those businesses.

In nine years of operation our partnership has yet to make a profit distribution. We’ve only made tax distributions. We’ve invested a quarter of a billion dollars into Fenway Park. We’ve invested in players – second among thirty MLB clubs – over the last nine years. We’re invested now in LFC and there is work to be done on the stadium front there as well. Other than the stadium debt mentioned above, there is no debt on LFC. This has greatly reduced interest payments which I believe were running close to £40 million per annum.

5. Is there a contractual commitment that non of the acquisition debt will be placed on the club?
No, none was needed.

6. How does NESV intend to extract money to make a profit on this transaction?
That’s a good question. With the club struggling, money I can’t foresee any profits being “extracted.†Hopefully someday LFC will be worth more than it is today.

7. What is the capital structure and cashflow of NESV, and how does it service its debt?
It’s a private company and we do not release financial information. LFC, however, does release financial information annually.


The next batch are all about your plans for the club now that you have your feet under the desk...

8. All of the questions I would want answered are to do with things he really needs to reflect on awhile. I'd be interested at this stage however, to know what his five key milestones for the next three years would be.
We are focused on getting the club positioned to win trophies within the Financial Fair Play rules that are being imposed next year. That means off the field we are intent on increasing LFC revenues worldwide. On the field we have to be smarter. Arsenal and ManU have depth that is young and capable. We do not. We have a lot of work to do there. A lot of work. And we will, but we have to be smart about it.

9. Liverpool FC needs a sustained period of stability. Liverpool supporters will be patient as long as we can sense that we are moving in the right direction. How long are you planning on staying? Are we a long-term (10 years+) or a shorter term project?
Long-term. Everything we do is for the long-term.

10. Mr. Henry & co. - Liverpool Football Club has one of the largest fanbases in the world with passionate Reds in every corner of the globe. With the greatest of respect, the sport of baseball in which your team has achieved great success is a major sport in Northern America but is not comparable to Liverpool Football Club or the Premier League in terms of fanbase / viewing figures etc etc. How do you plan to market the club globally and expand and enhance the club's profile worldwide in the future?
This requires a long answer. Perhaps I should take a break and answer this and the other questions in the next installment.

Copyright: RAWK and SaveLFC 2010
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42483.msg1208107#msg1208107 date=1288434298]
There's still a paranoia around RAWK though isn't there ?


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TBF, I dont blame them, to say I wasnt a little paranoid would be a lie, once bitten & bled dry, twice shy & all that.
 
Bled dry ?

EDIT: You already know my take on that, the Yanks put more money into the club than went out in interest payments - they aren't getting it back, so I think it's hard to say they bled the club dry.

Benitez did better than them out of LFC.
 
RBS made at least 100 million pounds out of this fiasco.

It's not Benitez's fault that the yanks went to bed with RBS.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42483.msg1208115#msg1208115 date=1288437688]
Bled dry ?

EDIT: You already know my take on that, the Yanks put more money into the club than went out in interest payments - they aren't getting it back, so I think it's hard to say they bled the club dry.

Benitez did better than them out of LFC.
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2 European Cup Finals an FA Cup Final and a League Cup Final.

Numerous semi finals, and quater finals.

Massive profit on Alonso (20 Million). Lots of smaller profits too

If we never had Rafa we'd be right up shit creek.

Rafa got a pay off he fucking deserved, and only a retard would think he didn't deserve it.
 
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=42483.msg1208120#msg1208120 date=1288438751]
RBS made at least 100 million pounds out of this fiasco.

It's not Benitez's fault that the yanks went to bed with RBS.
[/quote]

And that money ultimately came from the Yanks, who are the ones out of pocket. Not the club.
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=42483.msg1208122#msg1208122 date=1288439116]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42483.msg1208115#msg1208115 date=1288437688]
Bled dry ?

EDIT: You already know my take on that, the Yanks put more money into the club than went out in interest payments - they aren't getting it back, so I think it's hard to say they bled the club dry.

Benitez did better than them out of LFC.
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2 European Cup Finals an FA Cup Final and a League Cup Final.

Numerous semi finals, and quater finals.

Massive profit on Alonso (20 Million). Lots of smaller profits too

If we never had Rafa we'd be right up shit creek.

Rafa got a pay off he fucking deserved, and only a retard would think he didn't deserve it.
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I don't care what he deserved, I'm just making the point that if we're going to talk about being bled dry let's actually have a proper look at where the money came from and went to.

And we didn't make 20m on Alonso, I'm not sure it's actually possible that we can make that much on him. The guaranteed fee was £25m according to the club accounts. (Robbie Keane -12m)

I don't think we'd be up shit creek unless we had Rafa. Studies have shown that the major factor in league success is the size of the wage bill, there's a massive correlation between that and your league position - that is unless a particularly good or bad manager is in charge of allocating that wage bill. We consistently have had a top four wage bill, but we haven't always been in the top four. If you want an answer why - John Henry's comments are it - we didn't use the money wisely.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42483.msg1208126#msg1208126 date=1288439652]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=42483.msg1208122#msg1208122 date=1288439116]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42483.msg1208115#msg1208115 date=1288437688]
Bled dry ?

EDIT: You already know my take on that, the Yanks put more money into the club than went out in interest payments - they aren't getting it back, so I think it's hard to say they bled the club dry.

Benitez did better than them out of LFC.
[/quote]

2 European Cup Finals an FA Cup Final and a League Cup Final.

Numerous semi finals, and quater finals.

Massive profit on Alonso (20 Million). Lots of smaller profits too

If we never had Rafa we'd be right up shit creek.

Rafa got a pay off he fucking deserved, and only a retard would think he didn't deserve it.
[/quote]

I don't care what he deserved, I'm just making the point that if we're going to talk about being bled dry let's actually have a proper look at where the money came from and went to.

And we didn't make 20m on Alonso, I'm not sure it's actually possible that we can make that much on him. The guaranteed fee was £25m according to the club accounts. (Robbie Keane -12m)

I don't think we'd be up shit creek unless we had Rafa. Studies have shown that the major factor in league success is the size of the wage bill, there's a massive correlation between that and your league position - that is unless a particularly good or bad manager is in charge of allocating that wage bill. We consistently have had a top four wage bill, but we haven't always been in the top four. If you want an answer why - John Henry's comments are it - we didn't use the money wisely.
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2004-5 5th European Cup Final League Cup Final
2005-6 3rd FA Cup Final
2006-7 3rd European Cup Final
2007-8 4th European Cup semi's
2008-9 2nd European Cup Quater Finals
2009-10 7th Europa League Semi Final (all cry lets sack the fucker he's useless)

*Xabi Alonso Real Sociedad £10,700,000 20.08.2004
Xabi Alonso Real Madrid £30,000,000 05.08.2009
 
Why throw Xabi Alonso in there?

What a random and desperate way to defend a manager. One successful, profit producing transfer. Wahey!
 
Well the 20 Million Rafa made on Alonso, more than made up for the losses on Keane, Pennant, and a n other, you all like to say he fucked up on.

Its called 'looking at it from both sides'

He also made profits on rejects like

Voronin bought on a free sold for 1.8M
Mikel Domingues bought for 267 thousand sold for 2.6M
Peter Crouch Bought 7M sold 11M
Bellemy Bought 6M Sold 7.5M

All the 'He kept buying shite', he moved on usually for a profit

He did I am 100% positive make a PROFIT on his transfers, and if he didn't or did 'just about', throw Torres into the equation bought for 20.2M and if he went now would make a FUCKING HUGE PROFIT.

Now tell me 'anyone who thinks Rafa made a profit on tranfers is a retard'
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42483.msg1208132#msg1208132 date=1288440622]
Why throw Xabi Alonso in there?

What a random and desperate way to defend a manager. One successful, profit producing transfer. Wahey!
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In fairness that's the best example but there are plenty of others.

Josemi
Kromkamp
Crouch

To name but a few
And this whole Keane thing is ridiculous we paid a downpayment on the fee from him which was recouped when we sold him. What we lost was his wages and the agents fees. Not 12 or even 13m.

The need for people to defend him is directly preportional (usually!) to the people who serve to denigrate his every move. To suggest that LFC would be in a better place without ever having Benitez is moot, because most other managers would have come in and made mistakes in the transfer market.

I wish people would stop seeing this a s black and white issue.
 
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=42483.msg1208129#msg1208129 date=1288440506]
To suggest Rafa made profits on transfers is retarded.
[/quote]

Likewise the suggestion that Benitez did nothing for the club is also retarded. Celebrate the European Cup win while you were on your high horse about the "Fat Spanish Waster" did you Toni?
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=42483.msg1208138#msg1208138 date=1288441436]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42483.msg1208132#msg1208132 date=1288440622]
Why throw Xabi Alonso in there?

What a random and desperate way to defend a manager. One successful, profit producing transfer. Wahey!
[/quote]

In fairness that's the best example but there are plenty of others.
Josemi
Kromkamp
Crouch

To name but a few
And this whole Keane thing is ridiculous we paid a downpayment on the fee from him which was recouped when we sold him. What we lost was his wages and the agents fees. Not 12 or even 13m.

The need for people to defend him is directly preportional (usually!) to the people who serve to denigrate his every move. To suggest that LFC would be in a better place without ever having Benitez is moot, because most other managers would have come in and made mistakes in the transfer market.

I wish people would stop seeing this a s black and white issue.
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There fucking LOADS.

Scot Carson bought 1M sold 3.4M
Sissoko Bought 5.6 Sold 8.2
Gonzalez Bought 1.5 sold 3.5

The list LITERALLY goes on and on, but most are 1-2 Million profits
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42483.msg1208119#msg1208119 date=1288438671]
so how comes 6CM never gets any exclusives?
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They're afraid Neil.

You'd ask waaaay too many questions
 
Player Signed Cost Came from


Fernando Torres July 2007 20,200,000 Atletico Madrid
Alberto Aquilani August 2009 20,000,000 AS Roma
Robbie Keane July 28 2008 19,000,000 Tottenham Hotspur
Javier Mascherano January 2007 18,000,000 West Ham United
Glen Johnson 22 June 2009 17,500,000 Portsmouth
Ryan Babel July 2007 11,500,000 Ajax
Xabi Alonso August 20th 2004 10,750,000 Real Sociedad
Dirk Kuyt August 18 2006 9,000,000 Feyenoord
Albert Riera September 1 2008 8,000,000 Espanyol
Andrea Dossena July 2008 7,000,000 Udinese
Peter Crouch July 20th 2005 7,000,000 Southampton
Lucas Leiva 11 May 2007 6,750,000 Gremio
Jermaine Pennant July 26 2006 6,700,000 Birmingham City
Martin Skrtel 11 January 2008 6,500,000 Zenit St Petersburg
Jose Reina July 4th 2005 6,000,000 Villareal
Luis Garcia August 20th 2004 6,000,000 Barcelona
Craig Bellamy July 1st 2006 6,000,000 Blackburn Rovers
Dan Agger January 2006 5,800,000 Brondby
Mohammed Sissoko July 2005 5,600,000 Valencia
Fernando Morientes January 2005 5,500,000 Real Madrid
Yossi Benayoun July 2007 5,000,000 West Ham United
Diego Cavalieri July 2008 4,000,000 Palmeiras
Alvaro Arbeloa January 31 2007 2,600,000 Deportivo La Coruna
Sebastian Leto July 2007 2,500,000 Lanus
Jose Miguel Gonzalez Rey (Josemi) July 2004 2,000,000 CD Malaga
Gabriel Paletta July 1st 2006 2,000,000 Banfield
Jonjo Shelvey 10 May 2010 1,700,000 Charlton Athletic
Mark Gonzalez July 4th 2005 1,500,000 Albacete
David Ngog July 24 2008 1,500,000 Paris St Germain
Sotirios Kyrgiakos 21 August 2009 1,500,000 AEK Athens
Scott Carson January 21st 2005 750,000 Leeds United
Mikel San Jose July 2007 270,000 Athletic Bilbao
David Martin January 2006 250,000 MK Dons
Antonio Barragan July 4th 2005 240,000 Sevilla
Besian Idrizaj August 2005 190,000 Linzer ASK
Jack Hobbs August 2005 150,000 Lincoln City
Alex Cooper January 2008 100,000 Ross County
Alexander Kacaniklic June 2007 75,000 Helsingborgs
Philipp Degen July 1 2008 0 Borussia Dortmund
Chris Buchtmann January 2008 0 Borussia Dortmund
Fabio Aurelio July 5 2006 0 Valencia
Hakan Duyan June 2008 0
Daniel Ayala July 2007 0 Sevilla
Gerardo Bruna September 2007 0 Real Madrid
Lauri Dalla Valle January 2008 0 Jippo
Damien Plessis August 2007 0 Lyon
Peter Gulacsi 1 September 2008 0 MTK Hungaria
Charles Itandje August 2007 0 Lens
Lee Peltier July 2005 0 Trainee
Jan Kromkamp January 2006 0 Villareal
Boudewijn Zenden July 4th 2005 0 Middlesbrough
Jakub Sokolik August 2009 0 Banik Ostrava
Jamie Stephens April 5th 2010 0 Swindon Town
Maxi Rodriguez January 2010 0 Atletico Madrid
Kristjan Gauti Emilsson January 2010 0 FH Hafnarfjordur
Dave Moli December 2009 0 Luton Town
Antonio Nunez August 2004 0 Real Madrid
Nicolaj Beier Kohlert July 2009 0 Esbjerg fB
Chris Mavinga July 8 2009 0 Paris St Germain
Mauricio Pellegrino January 2005 0 Valencia
Victor Palsson January 2009 0 AGF Arhus
Paul Willis July 2005 0 Trainee
Vitor Flora September 1 2008 0 Botafogo FC
Emmanuel Mendy July 23 2008 0 Murcia Deportivo
Nikola Saric July 2008 0 Herfolge
Vincent Lucas Weijl July 2008 0 AZ Alkmaar
Ryan Crowther July 2007 0 Stockport County
Mihail Alexandrov July 2007 0 CSKA Sofia
Dani Pacheco July 2007 0 Barcelona
Jordy Brouwer January 2007 0 Ajax
Francisco Manuel Duran January 2007 0 Malaga
Emiliano Insua January 2007 0 Boca Juniors
Ray Putterill June 2007 0 Trainee
Martin Hansen June 2007 0 Trainee
Jay Spearing June 2007 0 Trainee
Dave Roberts July 2006 0 Trainee
David Mannix July 2004 0 Trainee
Ryan Flynn July 2006 0 Trainee
Robbie Threlfall July 2006 0 Trainee
Godwin Antwi August 2005 0 Real Zaragoza
Stephen Darby July 2006 0 Trainee
Miki Roque August 2005 0 Llieda
Nabir El Zhar June 2006 0 St Etienne
Mark Smyth June 2004 0 Trainee
Ronald Huth January 2007 0 Tacuary FC
Martin Kelly August 2007 0 Trainee
Steve Irwin July 2008 0 Trainee
Marvin Pourie July 2007 0 Borussia Dortmund
Nikolay Mihaylov July 2007 0 Levski Sofia
Paul Anderson January 2006 0 Hull City
Gary Mackay Steven June 2007 0 Ross County
Andras Simon 27 May 2007 0 MTK Hungaria
Krisztian Nemeth 27 May 2007 0 MTK Hungaria
Danny Guthrie July 2005 0 Trainee
Andriy Voronin July 2007 0 Bayer Leverkusen
Adam Hammill January 2006 0 Trainee
Robbie Fowler January 2006 0 Manchester City
Ryan Wilkie July 2005 0 Trainee
Calum Woods January 2006 0 Trainee
Craig Lindfield July 2006 0 Trainee
Danny O'Donnell July 2005 0 Trainee
Ramon Calliste August 2005 0 Manchester United
Jay Smith July 2005 0 Trainee

Transfers Out
Player Signed Cost Left for
Xabi Alonso 5 August 2009 30,000,000 Real Madrid
Robbie Keane February 1 2009 15,000,000 Tottenham Hotspur
Peter Crouch July 2008 11,000,000 Portsmouth
Mohammed Sissoko January 29 2008 8,200,000 Juventus
Michael Owen August 2004 8,000,000 Real Madrid
Craig Bellamy July 2007 7,500,000 West Ham United
Milan Baros August 2005 6,500,000 Aston Villa
Djibril Cisse July 2007 6,000,000 Marseille
Scott Carson July 18 2008 4,000,000 West Bromwich Albion
John Arne Riise June 2008 4,000,000 AS Roma
Luis Garcia July 2007 4,000,000 Atletico Madrid
Andrea Dossena January 8 2010 3,800,000 Napoli
El Hadji Diouf June 2005 3,500,000 Bolton Wanderers
Chris Kirkland January 2007 3,500,000 Wigan Athletic
Alvaro Arbeloa 29 July 2009 3,500,000 Real Madrid
Mark Gonzalez July 2007 3,500,000 Real Betis
Fernando Morientes May 2006 3,100,000 Valencia
Florent Sinama-Pongolle May 2007 2,700,000 Recreativo Huelva
Mikel San Jose May 19 2010 2,500,000 Athletic Bilbao
Danny Murphy August 2004 2,500,000 Charlton Athletic
Danny Guthrie July 2008 2,250,000 Newcastle United
Antonio Nunez August 2005 2,000,000 Celta Vigo
Djimi Traore August 2006 2,000,000 Charlton Athletic
Alou Diarra June 2005 2,000,000 Lens
Andriy Voronin January 10 2010 2,000,000 Dinamo Moscow
Jan Kromkamp August 2006 2,000,000 PSV Eindhoven
Stephen Warnock January 2007 1,200,000 Blackburn Rovers
Antonio Barragan August 2006 680,000 Deportivo La Coruna
Neil Mellor August 2006 500,000 Preston North End
Darren Potter January 2007 250,000 Wolverhampton Wanderers
Paul Anderson June 30 2009 250,000 Nottingham Forest
Chris Buchtmann 01 February 2010 100,000 Fulham
Danny O'Donnell June 2007 100,000 Crewe Alexandra
Besian Idrizaj 31 January 2008 0 Wacker Tirol
Jack Hobbs May 2009 0 Leicester City
Robbie Foy May 2006 0 Released
David Mannix January 2007 0 Released
Ryan Flynn September 2009 0 Falkirk
Robbie Threlfall June 30 2010 0
Miki Roque June 2009 0 Released
Godwin Antwi June 2009 0 Released
Sebastian Leto 1 JUly 2009 0 Panathinaikos
Vitor Flora April 5 2010 0 Goiás Esporte Clube
Dave Roberts June 2007 0 Released
Robbie Fowler June 2007 0 Released
Calum Woods May 2006 0 Dunfermline
Paul Willis May 2006 0 Released
Ramon Calliste May 2006 0 Released
Gary Mackay Steven June 2009 0
Marvin Pourie January 2009 0 Schalke
Ronald Huth June 2009 0
Ryan Wilkie May 2006 0 Released
Ryan Crowther August 2009 0 Released
Ray Putterill June 2009 0
Hakan Duyan June 2010 0 Shrewsbury Town
Mark Smyth June 2005 0 Accrington Stanley
Jay Smith December 2007 0 Stockport County
David Martin 01 July 2010 0 MK Dons
Jerzy Dudek June 2007 0 Released
John Welsh January 2006 0 Hull City
Anthony Le Tallec 1 July 2008 0
Steve Finnan September 1 2008 0 Espanyol
Harry Kewell June 2008 0 Galatasaray
Salif Diao January 2007 0 Stoke City
Bruno Cheyrou July 2006 0 Rennes
Gregory Vignal July 2005 0 Portsmouth
Igor Biscan June 2005 0 Panathinaikos
Markus Babbel July 2004 0 VFB Stuttgart
Stephane Henchoz January 2005 0 Celtic
Vladimir Smicer June 2005 0 Bordeaux
Sami Hyypia 30 June 2009 0 Bayer Leverkusen
Jon Otsemobor June 2005 0 Rotherham United
Patrice Luzi July 2005 0 Released
Jose Miguel Gonzalez Rey (Josemi) January 2006 0 Villareal
Craig Lindfield August 2009 0 Released
Adam Hammill August 2009 0 Barnsley
Carl Medjani July 2006 0 L'Orient
Paul Harrison June 2005 0 Wolverhampton Wanderers
Richie Partridge June 2005 0 Sheffield Wednesday
Zak Whitbread June 2006 0 Millwall
Lee Peltier 31 January 2008 0 Yeovil Town
Gabriel Paletta August 2007 0 Boca Juniors
Jermaine Pennant July 1 2009 0 Released
Fabio Aurelio June 30 2010 0
Boudewijn Zenden June 2007 0 Marseille
David Raven July 2006 0 Carlisle United
Mauricio Pellegrino June 2005 0 CD Alaves
Dietmar Hamann July 2006 0 Bolton Wanderers

Total Buys 229,125,000

Total Sales 148,130,000



http://www.liverweb.org.uk/benitez.asp

I am guessing this is a few years old so recent transfer activity needs to be factored in as well
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=42483.msg1208139#msg1208139 date=1288441518]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=42483.msg1208129#msg1208129 date=1288440506]
To suggest Rafa made profits on transfers is retarded.
[/quote]

Likewise the suggestion that Benitez did nothing for the club is also retarded. Celebrate the European Cup win while you were on your high horse about the "Fat Spanish Waster" did you Toni?
[/quote]
Hey Spion, chill out mate 8)
Thats another topic. I never said he did nothing for the club, that would also be retarded, you're right.

Rafa spent more than what we got. Rafa loved his facts. Thats a fact.
I wasnt having a go at him.
 
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=42483.msg1208145#msg1208145 date=1288442106]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=42483.msg1208139#msg1208139 date=1288441518]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=42483.msg1208129#msg1208129 date=1288440506]
To suggest Rafa made profits on transfers is retarded.
[/quote]

Likewise the suggestion that Benitez did nothing for the club is also retarded. Celebrate the European Cup win while you were on your high horse about the "Fat Spanish Waster" did you Toni?
[/quote]
Hey Spion, chill out mate 8)
Thats another topic. I never said he did nothing for the club, that would also be retarded, you're right.

Rafa spent more than what we got. Rafa loved his facts. Thats a fact.
I wasnt having a go at him.
[/quote]

Show me a top manager apart from Wenger who makes a profit in the transfer market overall and is successful too?
 
I'd say Lyon have probably turned a profit too, but not because of any manager they had.

But really it isn't the goal of the club, or it certainly shouldn't be to make money on transfers. What matters is how it is spent. And on the whole it's been spent poorly for far too long at LFC, i.e. it didn't begin with Rafa. We've been shit for years.
 
Make a list of who is still here and guesstimate there value

also take Maschers sale (Roy sold him) and add it to the sold, its also not a true value of his buys and sells because a lot on the sold list wasn't his purchases
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=42483.msg1208146#msg1208146 date=1288442281]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=42483.msg1208145#msg1208145 date=1288442106]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=42483.msg1208139#msg1208139 date=1288441518]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=42483.msg1208129#msg1208129 date=1288440506]
To suggest Rafa made profits on transfers is retarded.
[/quote]

Likewise the suggestion that Benitez did nothing for the club is also retarded. Celebrate the European Cup win while you were on your high horse about the "Fat Spanish Waster" did you Toni?
[/quote]
Hey Spion, chill out mate 8)
Thats another topic. I never said he did nothing for the club, that would also be retarded, you're right.

Rafa spent more than what we got. Rafa loved his facts. Thats a fact.
I wasnt having a go at him.
[/quote]

Show me a top manager apart from Wenger who makes a profit in the transfer market overall and is successful too?
[/quote]
Not many I know but splashing more than 60M on Keane, Aquilani, Dossena and Johnson in 2 years was criminal
 
Lads, isn't this thread about Henry, not Roffa?

If you factor in the last two years, the difference between what Rafa Spent and recouped is negligible, from a business sense. DOn't have numbers in front me, but will find. Essentially, he was pretty great at getting money back on players.
 
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=42483.msg1208150#msg1208150 date=1288442559]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=42483.msg1208146#msg1208146 date=1288442281]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=42483.msg1208145#msg1208145 date=1288442106]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=42483.msg1208139#msg1208139 date=1288441518]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=42483.msg1208129#msg1208129 date=1288440506]
To suggest Rafa made profits on transfers is retarded.
[/quote]

Likewise the suggestion that Benitez did nothing for the club is also retarded. Celebrate the European Cup win while you were on your high horse about the "Fat Spanish Waster" did you Toni?
[/quote]
Hey Spion, chill out mate 8)
Thats another topic. I never said he did nothing for the club, that would also be retarded, you're right.

Rafa spent more than what we got. Rafa loved his facts. Thats a fact.
I wasnt having a go at him.
[/quote]

Show me a top manager apart from Wenger who makes a profit in the transfer market overall and is successful too?
[/quote]
Not many I know but splashing more than 60M on Keane, Aquilani, Dossena and Johnson in 2 years was criminal
[/quote]

Yep. it was. But Johnson is still here and shuld come good.

Remind me what Siralex splashed on Carrick, Hargreaves and Anderson? £60m odd wasn't it? Roaring successes one and all.
 
How anyone can defend G&H is beyond me.

They bled the club dry by:
1.Placing huge debt on the club to finance the sale. 2.They failed to build us a new stadium.
3.Serviced the debt by using profits made by the club.

That in the end G&H were out of pocket is largely down to their poor business practices. They accepted the punitive conditions of re-financing the club. They lied to us when they bought the club and it came back and bit them in the arse.

As for Rafa's net spend, I'm pretty sure that he made a profit but more importantly was the victories in CL '05 and the FA Cup in '06. Money can't buy that prestige and he put us back in the top tier of European football. Things would be a lot more dier if we didn't consistently make the latter stages of the CL.
 
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How anyone can defend G&H is beyond me.

They bled the club dry by:
1.Placing huge debt on the club to finance the sale. 2.They failed to build us a new stadium.
3.Serviced the debt by using profits made by the club.

That in the end G&H were out of pocket is largely down to their poor business practices. They accepted the punitive conditions of re-financing the club. They lied to us when they bought the club and it came back and bit them in the arse.

As for Rafa's net spend, I'm pretty sure that he made a profit but more importantly was the victories in CL '05 and the FA Cup in '06. Money can't buy that prestige and he put us back in the top tier of European football. Things would be a lot more dier if we didn't consistently make the latter stages of the CL.
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They put in 144m and took out 111m in interest payments. That isn't "bleeding the club dry" and it isn't a defence of them to point that out, it's simply the truth.
 
Rosco, what about the debt that almost sank us? There are 2 sides to the story and your crumbling defence of them is ridiculous.

I don't think for a minute that even you believe that G&H enhanced our reputation. Their legacy took us to the brink.

THAT'S A FACT!
 
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