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So, this continues to rumble despite what Arteta said.

The rumours are he called Gabriel a 'Performing Monkey'. only allegations it must be added.

If that is what he said, Gabriel has taken it out of context.
 
So, this continues to rumble despite what Arteta said.

The rumours are he called Gabriel a 'Performing Monkey'. only allegations it must be added.

If that is what he said, Gabriel has taken it out of context.

That's a mouthful
 
The sad thing about this pejorative is that even the monkey would be performing. Something that can't be said about it midfield, or Henderson.
 
He clearly said “You warrant your performing moniker, Sir”, before suggesting they meet up for cigars and cognac in the players lounge later.
 
Regardless of context, that would be a really stupid and thoughtless thing to say to a black person.
Oh do jog on.. Next you'll be banning the word Monkey altogether. Its the same as cheeky monkey. Do you want that banned as well?
 
On the basis of what we heard during those crowdless games during lockdown, there's no way Henderson said anything without loads of expletives in it.
I reckon Gabriel's version will be "performing monkey" and Hendo's will be "fucking wanker".
I know which one I'm more inclined to believe.
I really hope he hasn't said anything racist, because if he has, then he's done in my eyes, which would be a massive shame as he always struck me as being one of the good guys.
 
I've been concerned by this, TBH. The reactions by Alisson, Firmino and Xhaka made it pretty clear something highly inappropriate has been said. It would be a huge fall from grace if it was anything racial.
 
On the basis of what we heard during those crowdless games during lockdown, there's no way Henderson said anything without loads of expletives in it.
I reckon Gabriel's version will be "performing monkey" and Hendo's will be "fucking wanker".
I know which one I'm more inclined to believe.
I really hope he hasn't said anything racist, because if he has, then he's done in my eyes, which would be a massive shame as he always struck me as being one of the good guys.

The reactions of the players, the referee speaking to the managers, the referee then taking statements from both players and putting them in his match report. There's only one version that is consistent with those actions, it's not going to be some run of the mill shit like "fucking wanker". The allegation is clearly going to be serious, and the way the rules are worded and have been interpreted by past disciplinary panels, there's no way Henderson will escape a ban here. He can deny it, but the lip readers will testify on behalf of the FA, who will then give some hand wavy explanation that Henderson misremembered his words in the moment, and the lip readers and Gabriel are clear and consistent with each other. There's no way that won't be reported by the media and FA as evidence that they took a stand against racism/discrimination/homophobia or whatever it is.
 
I've been concerned by this, TBH. The reactions by Alisson, Firmino and Xhaka made it pretty clear something highly inappropriate has been said. It would be a huge fall from grace if it was anything racial.

They are obviously responding to what Gabriel is saying Henderson have said, in my opinion.
 
Clearly, I've triggered you. So come on - I'd like to hear your views on why you think calling a black man a monkey (in any context) is OK. I'm not trying to trip you up - I'm genuinely interested.

I'm triggered ?

Are you sure you're not triggered yourself ? lol

Btw, I've learned a long time ago that football forums are never the best place to talk about racial or religious matters. Especially not in today's crazy woke/cancel culture.
You can have a million pages of debates/discussions/arguments/etc. for decades (remember KT?), and still not add any value to this world. Its not as if all these years of 6CM therapy will suddenly make dantes for instance, wake up one day and decide he's gonna start a global world peace movement.
 
I'm triggered ?

Are you sure you're not triggered yourself ? lol

Btw, I've learned a long time ago that football forums are never the best place to talk about racial or religious matters. Especially not in today's crazy woke/cancel culture.
You can have a million pages of debates/discussions/arguments/etc. for decades (remember KT?), and still not add any value to this world. Its not as if all these years of 6CM therapy will suddenly make dantes for instance, wake up one day and decide he's gonna start a global world peace movement.
No, I'm not triggered. I'm happy to have a discussion, which is why I made my position clear. You appeared to take issue with what I said, although apparently don't feel comfortable explaining why. Which begs the question: why bother commenting in the first place?
 
It’s called free speech and everyone’s entitled to it.

And when you do come off down your high horse, you’ll see I’m actually a non-threatening person when we’re on the same level ground.
 
It’s called free speech and everyone’s entitled to it.

And when you do come off down your high horse, you’ll see I’m actually a non-threatening person when we’re on the same level ground.
What are you talking about? I don't feel threatened by you and I fully appreciate we're on level ground. You replied to my post with a provocative, passive aggressive remark, which you still haven't elaborated on, and are now trying to paint me as the aggressor? If you don't want to get involved in the discussion then don't involve yourself in the discussion. It's not like you've added anything to it.
 
Just ignore him, tries his wanna be macho BS every once in a while.
Just remember, like every free speech internet warrior, his version of free speech is of worth than anyone else who may disagree.

Back on Hendo, even though nothing would surpise me anymore, we should give a chance for the allegations to be laid bare and give him a chance to explain his side as he has been leading from the front against discrimination for a while.
 
What are you talking about? I don't feel threatened by you and I fully appreciate we're on level ground. You replied to my post with a provocative, passive aggressive remark, which you still haven't elaborated on, and are now trying to paint me as the aggressor? If you don't want to get involved in the discussion then don't involve yourself in the discussion. It's not like you've added anything to it.

Haha. You mean, like how you've insulted me with profanities, numerous times in the past ? Or that time when you called me out for being racist towards asians, when i'm actually asian myself ? That honestly cracked me up. Compared to that, i think 'ffs' isn't that bad. Come on. Like i said, come off down your high horse.

Didn't think you would be so easily offended. 'Oh ffs' - is provocative now ? My gawd. Go on, write a long essay explaining to me why and how it has upset your emotional space and intellectual boundary. How it has chipped away at your dignity and identity as a person and caused you to suffer from PTSD and have sleepless nights.

All these wokeness culture is killing me seriously. Everyone's getting so easily wound up these days.
 
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I never really understood what "Passive aggressive" means ... can someone explain it to me?
 
Haha. You mean, like how you've insulted me with profanities, numerous times in the past ? Or that time when you called me out for being racist towards asians, when i'm actually asian myself ? That honestly cracked me up. Compared to that, i think 'ffs' isn't that bad. Come on. Like i said, come off down your high horse.

Didn't think you would be so easily offended. 'Oh ffs' - is provocative now ? My gawd. Go on, write a long essay explaining to me why and how it has upset your emotional space and intellectual boundary. How it has chipped away at your dignity and identity as a person and caused you to suffer from PTSD and have sleepless nights.

All these wokeness culture is killing me seriously. Everyone's getting so easily wound up these days.

He wasn't wound up, he asked a question that you ought to have been able to answer in under a minute, which would have been a valuable exchange of information between the two of you, a worthwhile transaction. You did not participate in a worthwhile transaction, but instead spent several minutes over the rest of the day whining about your feelings, free speech, high horses, passive aggression, and cocooning yourself into a safe space, with an irrational and laughable refusal to simply answer a straight forward question about what you wrote. I'm sorry, but you are indeed extremely woke. That's what wokeness is. You're it.
 
Haha. You mean, like how you've insulted me with profanities, numerous times in the past ? Or that time when you called me out for being racist towards asians, when i'm actually asian myself ? That honestly cracked me up. Compared to that, i think 'ffs' isn't that bad. Come on. Like i said, come off down your high horse.

Didn't think you would be so easily offended. 'Oh ffs' - is provocative now ? My gawd. Go on, write a long essay explaining to me why and how it has upset your emotional space and intellectual boundary. How it has chipped away at your dignity and identity as a person and caused you to suffer from PTSD and have sleepless nights.

All these wokeness culture is killing me seriously. Everyone's getting so easily wound up these days.
The only one wound up here is you. If you don't want to engage with me then don't reply to my posts. It's not complicated. I can't remember 'insulting you with profanities', but I can certainly remember pulling you up for shit you've said in the past. It's funny, all this talk of people being easily offended and sensitive men being cissies, and yet you are as easily offended as anyone who posts on here. Not that that makes you a cissy, of course, but it does mean you lack any kind of self-awareness.

For what it's worth, I apologise if I've hurt your feelings with profanities, or anything else I've said. Let's move on.
 
Oh do jog on.. Next you'll be banning the word Monkey altogether. Its the same as cheeky monkey. Do you want that banned as well?
That's the problem, it almost is when you use it to describe anything a coloured is doing. So if he said it, it was stupid, but I am pretty sure he did not mean it in that context.
 
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