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Groundsharing with Everton FC

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Isn't it time for us to start thinking about ground-sharing?

Wouldn't this mean, we could get investment easier, and it would leave more money for player purchases?

Wouldn't it mean the stadium would be paid off quicker since it's a smaller amount of $, AND the stadium would be full WEEK AFTER WEEK, meaning the overhead for running the stadium would be much smaller, and we'd make more cash every year. Normally, it's every second week right?

I know it's something we're not mad about, but when you think about it, it is one quick fix solution to the financial situation, and would enable us to get back on our feet quickly, leaving more money for player purchases.

I think it has to be on the table at this point. Emotion aside, is there a good reason for not doing this, given Inter and AC do it..and they make it work (and they don't exactly love each other!).
 
The day we ground-share with Everton is the day I walk away from football.
 
So you'd prefer we became a forth rate football power saddled with crucifying debt, rather than share with Everton FC? Surely the past few years have shown us, there are worse things than this? The more I think about this, the more it makes sense. It could be the thing that saves us!
 
I'd be shocked if Inter, losing 150 M Euros last year, got anywhere near building a 400M stadium. But then again...
 
Actually, the reason they are exploring leaving the San Siro is because the Local Council own the Stadium and they pay 13 million a year in RENT. That would not be the case for LFC and EFC

To quote a source

"If the club owned the stadium, it would also keep the receipts from non-sporting events like rock concerts in the summer (the likes of U2, Springsteen and the Rolling Stones have played San Siro), while it could also coin it from restaurants, parking, club shop, museum, etc. Finally, money would surely be on the table for naming rights (Pirelli Stadium, anyone?), which is more acceptable to fans when we’re talking about a new development, rather than renaming an existing ground."

So if LFC and EFC owned the ground, this would be a non issue
 
I'd rather we got new owners in who build our own stadium and we progressed from there, obviously.

This isn't an impossible scenario. The only reason anyone will buy us is to build a new football stadium and increase the turnover of the club. These owners will have to respect the view of the fans and the people of Liverpool on this issue, and that does not include sharing the same seats as the bitters.

The fact is nobody from Liverpool ever says this is a good idea, and for good reason; The soul of this club comes from an independent Anfield, one which is specific to this club in many ways; carrying the the ashes of many fans, the home of many reds best ever memories, a tribute to the fans lost in Heysel and Hillsborough, the stomping ground of some of the worlds best players, and a unique atmosphere which is envied around the world.

I find it hard to believe that anyone who truly understands this club can consider a ground-share. It might make more sense if you come from America, where each sport has been commercialised beyond sense and has had the soul ripped out of it.

But I'd never be prepared to let that happen to this club.
 
I don't come from the States myself, but I do live here. I just think it's cutting off your nose to spite your face, by refusing to look at such a easy solution to fix the financial woes inflicted on us by Bert and Ernie.

If I had of choice of getting on our financial feet by groundsharing, and being able to buy lots of exciting talent (players like Silva, Ozil, Ibrahimovic, LLorente) versus langushing in mid table with unrecoverable debts (bringing robbie savage out of retirement, buying the likes of Konchesky, Gomez or Carlton Cole), I'd jump at a groundshare.

Who says the OOT'ers might not actually be right on this one, since we're a bit less emotional on the topic.

Not a preferred solution, but better than falling back into mediocrity...
 
The ground as is is specific to us; the site and the name aren't, Everton used to play there.

I'm not dead against a ground share, I'd prefer we didn't have to but where has that approach got us so far?
 
[quote author=localny link=topic=41795.msg1171045#msg1171045 date=1283913950]
I don't come from the States myself, but I do live here. I just think it's cutting off your nose to spite your face, by refusing to look at such a easy solution to fix the financial woes inflicted on us by Bert and Ernie.

If I had of choice of getting on our financial feet by groundsharing, and being able to buy lots of exciting talent (players like Silva, Ozil, Ibrahimovic, LLorente) versus langushing in mid table with unrecoverable debts (bringing robbie savage out of retirement, buying the likes of Konchesky, Gomez or Carlton Cole), I'd jump at a groundshare.

Who says the OOT'ers might not actually be right on this one, since we're a bit less emotional on the topic.

Not a preferred solution, but better than falling back into mediocrity...
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There's no guarantee that a stadium ground-share will 'prevent the fall into mediocrity'. There's far too many factors which you're simply overlooking.

The fact is players come and go, a stadium is something which will be with you for the next hundred years and should not be the the result of such alarmist and short-term thinking.

You're never going to sway my judgement, so let's leave it there.
 
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[quote author=localny link=topic=41795.msg1171045#msg1171045 date=1283913950]
I don't come from the States myself, but I do live here. I just think it's cutting off your nose to spite your face, by refusing to look at such a easy solution to fix the financial woes inflicted on us by Bert and Ernie.

If I had of choice of getting on our financial feet by groundsharing, and being able to buy lots of exciting talent (players like Silva, Ozil, Ibrahimovic, LLorente) versus langushing in mid table with unrecoverable debts (bringing robbie savage out of retirement, buying the likes of Konchesky, Gomez or Carlton Cole), I'd jump at a groundshare.

Who says the OOT'ers might not actually be right on this one, since we're a bit less emotional on the topic.

Not a preferred solution, but better than falling back into mediocrity...
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There's no guarantee that a stadium ground-share will 'prevent the fall into mediocrity'. There's far too many factors which you're simply overlooking.

The fact is players come and go, a stadium is something which will be with you for the next hundred years and should not be the the result of such alarmist and short-term thinking.

You're never going to sway my judgement, so let's leave it there.
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Not trying to my friend. I think a ground share would leave us with a LOT more money for player purchases though, and in that way it is more likely than not to help keep the club strong on the pitch. We've apparently just been snubbed by HLEB and Van Der Vaart. Two average players. Do you really think we'll attract talent to keep the club strong if we can't get back into the CL?

I think you dismiss the player side of things too much.

We have a small window before we lose our other talented players to our slippery slope down the table. Refusing to consider ground sharing is a bit like the fear of having too many foreigners in the game. In a few years, it won't really matter as much to people.

I hear your emotion, but I don't think that's enough of a reason to deny this option.

Anyhow, will likely never come to pass, so a moot point!

Cheers!
 
We stopped playing reserves games at Anfield beards ago because the turf can't handle too many games.

I was at the San Siro tour a couple of years ago and the bird said that they relay the turf every 4 weeks at a cost of grillions each time. The place looked a mess so I asked if it was just about to be done again, and she said no - it was done last week. It looked like they'd been growing spuds on it.
 
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=41795.msg1171046#msg1171046 date=1283914129]

The ground as is is specific to us; the site and the name aren't, Everton used to play there.

I'm not dead against a ground share, I'd prefer we didn't have to but where has that approach got us so far?


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The question whether or not to share a ground with the blueslime has zip to do with our current troubles, and sharing a ground would do exactly nothing to alleviate them. We'd shoulder the vast bulk of the expense (because, however indebted we may currently be, we do at least have good credit whereas the bitters don't have even that) for half the eventual benefit, and in the process would achieve nothing more than give the blueshite a free leg up.

Norfolk 'n' chance.
 
The stadium is surely part of the fabric of the club, the core even. Anfield is home.

A shared stadium is just a facility. Not the same, bit like renting a car; it's different than owning one.

Some things you shouldn't cut back on.
 
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=41795.msg1171094#msg1171094 date=1283933611]
The stadium is surely part of the fabric of the club, the core even. Anfield is home.
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See I think that, and I think it's a very strong reason for not moving.

Look at Arsenal - they're a great team but as a club completely unrecognisable from say 20 years ago. Russian and Yank board, new ground, zero local heroes... What is Arsenal about that apart from the fans?

I fear when we lose the scousers in the side and the ground... we won't be Liverpool anymore. We're just about clinging on as is.
 
[quote author=crump link=topic=41795.msg1171097#msg1171097 date=1283933754]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=41795.msg1171094#msg1171094 date=1283933611]
The stadium is surely part of the fabric of the club, the core even. Anfield is home.
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See I think that, and I think it's a very strong reason for not moving.

Look at Arsenal - they're a great team but as a club completely unrecognisable from say 20 years ago. Russian and Yank board, new ground, zero local heroes... What is Arsenal about that apart from the fans?

I fear when we lose the scousers in the side and the ground... we won't be Liverpool anymore. We're just about clinging on as is.
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I don't know. As long as they get certain aspects of the new stadium right, it should be fine. It's always going to be the people inside it the count that most and as you say, we're struggling as it is.

I'd rather see the club move forward than desperately try and cling onto the past, which at times feels like all we ever do.
 
[quote author=ragehard link=topic=41795.msg1171098#msg1171098 date=1283933811]
which other english teams groundshare?
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Exeter & Newcastle are the only ones I think.
 
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[quote author=crump link=topic=41795.msg1171097#msg1171097 date=1283933754]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=41795.msg1171094#msg1171094 date=1283933611]
The stadium is surely part of the fabric of the club, the core even. Anfield is home.
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See I think that, and I think it's a very strong reason for not moving.

Look at Arsenal - they're a great team but as a club completely unrecognisable from say 20 years ago. Russian and Yank board, new ground, zero local heroes... What is Arsenal about that apart from the fans?

I fear when we lose the scousers in the side and the ground... we won't be Liverpool anymore. We're just about clinging on as is.
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I don't know. As long as they get certain aspects of the new stadium right, it should be fine. It's always going to be the people inside it the count that most and as you say, we're struggling as it is.

I'd rather see the club move forward than desperately try and cling onto the past, which at times feels like all we ever do.
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I'm yet to be convinced that a new stadium is in fact progress. It just seems like a shagload more risk and debt to me.
 
In our current predicament , it does not make any sense to move, or for it to be a big driver.
With the current demand, our stadium is modern enough and adequate.
It's a chicken and egg thing, if we are to make a stadium cost effective we have to have the demand, a couple of years ago we did.
That can all change in a blink of an eye. New owners throwing money at the team will bring back that demand because we are competing again.
We will then need a new stadium that increases our capacity and revenue, if the demand is there it pays for itself.
Which is why it is being factored in as one of the must haves in the sale.

regards

PS exactly Rafa 😉
 
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=41795.msg1171133#msg1171133 date=1283939210]
Good one, Pesam.
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Not really, I didn't get any bites.
 
[quote author=localny link=topic=41795.msg1171036#msg1171036 date=1283912456]


the stadium would be full WEEK AFTER WEEK, meaning the overhead for running the stadium would be much smaller, and we'd make more cash every year. Normally, it's every second week right?



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Er, you do realise we couldn't keep Everton's match receipts?
 
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[quote author=localny link=topic=41795.msg1171036#msg1171036 date=1283912456]


the stadium would be full WEEK AFTER WEEK, meaning the overhead for running the stadium would be much smaller, and we'd make more cash every year. Normally, it's every second week right?



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Er, you do realise we couldn't keep Everton's match receipts?

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Also the overheads would surely not go down given that we would have double the amount of games played on the same pitch.

And I am not even that sure the stadium would be full week after week. The generally accepted view is that we need a bigger stadium because we have enough fans to fill such a stadium. Do Everton? I know they are not a small club but would they consistently fill a huge stadium? A shared stadium idea would only ever work if the two parties have more in common than just location.

In any case Everton don't have a pot to piss in either so, shared stadium or stadium just for ourselves, we still wouldn't be able to fund it
 
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=41795.msg1171104#msg1171104 date=1283934098]
[quote author=ragehard link=topic=41795.msg1171098#msg1171098 date=1283933811]
which other english teams groundshare?
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Exeter & Newcastle are the only ones I think.
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I know this is a whoosh, but Newcastle is nowhere near Exeter?
 
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[quote author=Pesam link=topic=41795.msg1171104#msg1171104 date=1283934098]
[quote author=ragehard link=topic=41795.msg1171098#msg1171098 date=1283933811]
which other english teams groundshare?
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Exeter & Newcastle are the only ones I think.
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I know this is a whoosh, but Newcastle is nowhere near Exeter?
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Aye it was a lame attempt at a whoosh Av. They both play at grounds called St. James Park. I was kinda hoping someone would google Exeter's home ground and irrationally believe the fact despite, as you say, the cities being hundreds of miles apart.
 
i think crump raises a good point about anfield - i've thought for a long time that a lot of fans don't seem to really appreciate just how much is being lost in leaving anfield. a massive part of our heritage is going to be bulldozed and i think it's important that we all stop to think about the costs/benfits.

i know the club has long dismissed the idea of expanding anfield, so i'd like to think they're right and it's not workble, but i'm not completely convinced. would it really be impossible to replace the main stand, and add the 10k seats and however many corporate boxes we need? i've never seen a proper explanation of why it couldn't work, and why it wouldn't perhaps be the wiser option given how vastly cheaper it'd be.
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=41795.msg1171114#msg1171114 date=1283935020]
We might be desperate, but we're not that fucking desperate.
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Exactly. And even though we have no money, its not like they will be willing or able to pay their share.

I can see it now::
Kenwright: If we offer two bags of nuts and the pot to piss in, can we piggy back off you?

They got turfed from Anfield for "rent issues" the first time, they can fuck off now.
 
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