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I think he'll be registered in time, but he'll still be on the bench on Sunday, he's not played much footy, so I'm guessing Klopp will play it safe and ease him in.
 
The supply and demand thing with DMs is mad. There aren't any standout ones, so when they pop up they're now the most expensive players on the market. And the reason they don't exist is because no fucker wanted to be one when they were a kid. Everyone wanted to be a bit further up the pitch.
 
Great fee and a very solid addition.

Keep Salah, get a CB and RB this week and it’s utopia!
If the Arabs come in with a £150m+ offer, its gonna be hard to say no. We need to think about the future and the American owners haven't a clue about how we fund the team going forward.
 
The supply and demand thing with DMs is mad. There aren't any standout ones, so when they pop up they're now the most expensive players on the market. And the reason they don't exist is because no fucker wanted to be one when they were a kid. Everyone wanted to be a bit further up the pitch.
There are loads in South America. Problem is, we aren't willing to take a punt on 2 or 3 of them for around 30m total

If one makes it.. you've saved yourself millions.

But we decide we should go after them after they've already established themselves in Europe or the PL when their current clubs fleece any buyers.
 
If the Arabs come in with a £150m+ offer, its gonna be hard to say no. We need to think about the future and the American owners haven't a clue about how we fund the team going forward.

If anything, we've been guilty of not being able to buy established players for big money, on the few occasions it's been needed. I don't think they can really be accused of not thinking about the future, when you look at the squad with the addition of Gravenberch. The midfield and forward line are very healthy and young, we've got a brilliant young back up keeper too. There are obvious areas for improvement at centre back, but we have Quansah who has figured regularly and successfully for England U21's and is starting to break through with us too. We've got a relatively young team now, particularly if you look at the average turnaround across just a couple of transfer windows.

I'll admit that I think FSG and the current DoF set up has appeared hopeless at times, none more so than earlier in this window, but we've also revamped the squad pretty successfully in other respects too.
 
I think he'll be registered in time, but he'll still be on the bench on Sunday, he's not played much footy, so I'm guessing Klopp will play it safe and ease him in.
I'm not sure why we'd have him on the bench. Hasn't trained or played.
 
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If anything, we've been guilty of not being able to buy established players for big money, on the few occasions it's been needed. I don't think they can really be accused of not thinking about the future, when you look at the squad with the addition of Gravenberch. The midfield and forward line are very healthy and young, we've got a brilliant young back up keeper too. There are obvious areas for improvement at centre back, but we have Quansah who has figured regularly and successfully for England U21's and is starting to break through with us too. We've got a relatively young team now, particularly if you look at the average turnaround across just a couple of transfer windows.

I'll admit that I think FSG and the current DoF set up has appeared hopeless at times, none more so than earlier in this window, but we've also revamped the squad pretty successfully in other respects too.
Small correction, Quansah hasn't actually played for the U21 England team.
 
The supply and demand thing with DMs is mad. There aren't any standout ones, so when they pop up they're now the most expensive players on the market. And the reason they don't exist is because no fucker wanted to be one when they were a kid. Everyone wanted to be a bit further up the pitch.

In 10 years there's gonna be a ton of full backs with Trent, walker, trippier, Robbo etc.
 
I just watched Gravenberch’s 13 minute cameo in the game vs Augusburg last weekend - his last game for Bayern. The game was already well won by then, but it was still quite informative.

He played as LCM or even LW, combining well with Alphonso Davies down the left flank and staying closer to the touchline than to the middle of the park. Impressively sharp in possession - there were several episodes where he received the ball on the run in crowded areas and managed to wriggle through with a combination of footwork and strength and produce an incisive pass on the end of it. Earned a cheap yellow card shortly after coming on, not sure if it was for a handball or dissent of some kind.

Overall impression: he looks sharp and fit, showing good understanding with teammates despite hardly playing and his eye for a pass and ability to wriggle through crowded areas is genuinely impressive. He seems to want to play fast and look for any chance to hurt the opposition rather than slowing and calming the game down. I can’t see him immediately coming here as a #6 after being mostly relieved of defensive responsibility at Bayern, but he could definitely help us with improving build-up play and attacking threat as a left-sided midfielder.
 
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You can probably convert/coach a more attacking midfielder into a reasonable DM but that wouldn’t really address the demand for the truly top level guys. They’re probably in the natural or played like that since childhood realm.
 
I just watched Gravenberch’s 13 minute cameo in the game vs Augusburg last weekend - his last game for Bayern. The game was already well won by then, but it was still quite informative.

He played as LCM or even LW, combining well with Alphonso Davies down the left flank and staying closer to the touchline than to the middle of the park. Impressively sharp in possession - there were several episodes where he received the ball on the run in crowded areas and managed to wriggle through with a combination of footwork and strength and produce an incisive pass on the end of it. Earned a cheap yellow card shortly after coming on, not sure if it was for a handball or dissent of some kind.

Overall impression: he looks sharp and fit, showing good understanding with teammates despite hardly playing and his eye for a pass and ability to wriggle through crowded areas is genuinely impressive. He seems to want to play fast and look for any chance to hurt the opposition rather than slowing and calming the game down. I can’t see him immediately coming here as a #6 after being mostly relieved of defensive responsibility at Bayern, but he could definitely help us with improving build-up play and attacking threat as a left-sided midfielder.

Good job we needed another left sided attacking midfielder
 
Most managers (well nearly all that I have ever seen in my years of watching football since the 80's) get the players they need and fix immediate issues in their team. But Klopp - likes his problems to remain unplugged until the drain is full of shit, and then as always he will react.
 
If anything, we've been guilty of not being able to buy established players for big money, on the few occasions it's been needed. I don't think they can really be accused of not thinking about the future, when you look at the squad with the addition of Gravenberch. The midfield and forward line are very healthy and young, we've got a brilliant young back up keeper too. There are obvious areas for improvement at centre back, but we have Quansah who has figured regularly and successfully for England U21's and is starting to break through with us too. We've got a relatively young team now, particularly if you look at the average turnaround across just a couple of transfer windows.

I'll admit that I think FSG and the current DoF set up has appeared hopeless at times, none more so than earlier in this window, but we've also revamped the squad pretty successfully in other respects too.
Nunez was a big signing but we had to let sell quite a few players to get him. Appaz Gakpo was a stretch to get at £36m. This season we let quite a few players leave, freeing up about £25m in wages. Our net spend is about £100m and I don't think we could afford another outlay like this unless we sell. So if we sell Salah for £150m+ it gives us a war chest to upgrade the defence and possibly by a attacker in Jan. With or without Salah we are looking at a top 4 finish.
 
Hopefully our signing of Gravenberch has a knock on effect, where:

Gravenberch => LFC.
Palhinha => Bayern.
Amrabat (forced to go to) => Fulham (as they're offering Fiorentina money upfront and not a loan fee).
Mctominay stays at United => Finished.
 
Small correction, Quansah hasn't actually played for the U21 England team.
‘Twas the U19s and he was boss. However, we’ve had young talent at this level before who’ve disappeared without trace so I’m hoping but still VERY concerned we are relying on 4 senior CBS, Quansah and Endo
 
‘Twas the U19s and he was boss. However, we’ve had young talent at this level before who’ve disappeared without trace so I’m hoping but still VERY concerned we are relying on 4 senior CBS, Quansah and Endo
Klopp indicated that he's fine with it in the press conference today.
I guess at some point u have to trust your players
 
‘Twas the U19s and he was boss. However, we’ve had young talent at this level before who’ve disappeared without trace so I’m hoping but still VERY concerned we are relying on 4 senior CBS, Quansah and Endo
What concerns me more is Joe Gomez is both now a first choice CB and first choice cover for RB.

What happens if TAA is having a shocker like last week? Who do we turn to? JoeGo, who's already on the pitch? Do we move him to RB, if he's having a good game already and play Quansah?
 
What concerns me more is Joe Gomez is both now a first choice CB and first choice cover for RB.

What happens if TAA is having a shocker like last week? Who do we turn to? JoeGo, who's already on the pitch? Do we move him to RB, if he's having a good game already and play Quansah?

We can't keep worrying about these things all the time. I am sure between Matip and Joe - they can cover while Konate/VVD are out. Plus we have Endo who has played at CB, and I am sure that Gravenberch must have played there. If you watched any of the talk from other fans regarding Liverpool's defense they are of the opinion that maybe we not so desperate after Quansah's display against Newcastle, - have to admit the kid was as cool as ice.
 
We can't keep worrying about these things all the time. I am sure between Matip and Joe - they can cover while Konate/VVD are out. Plus we have Endo who has played at CB, and I am sure that Gravenberch must have played there. If you watched any of the talk from other fans regarding Liverpool's defense they are of the opinion that maybe we not so desperate after Quansah's display against Newcastle, - have to admit the kid was as cool as ice.
The kid was barely tested.

I shudder to think what Watkins has in stall for us this weekend to be honest.

He ran us ragged in the 7-2 game, and also last season at Anfield too.
 
The kid was barely tested.

I shudder to think what Watkins has in stall for us this weekend to be honest.

He ran us ragged in the 7-2 game, and also last season at Anfield too.

I am sure we can handle them, as I recall - we have not been beaten by them since the 7-2 at their place. I think we as a team have never treated them lightly since that 7-2 and Watkins up front. I am not worried at this stage, we have shown ourselves to be complete fucking idiots in this transfer window, so if we lose at home to them - Klopp will have to shit in his own bed that he has made.
 
Not too hot on Gravenberch but this seems like a decent fee, he's young and doesn't take the non-homegrown slot. A bit like the Chamberlain signing (but fit and available) - great if it works out, not too fussed if it doesn't


I'm afraid Macca will have to play the DM role more often than expected but this looks quite good on paper, doesn't it?

DM - Endo/Macca/Stefan
LCM - Macca/Curtis/Thiago
RCM - Szobo/Gravenberch/Elliott
 
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