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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082119#msg1082119 date=1270403737]
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[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082096#msg1082096 date=1270401787]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082095#msg1082095 date=1270401669]
Btw Rafa's interview gave the reason for the Torres substitution as exhaustion.
No injury .
I can't believe anyone (although I expect Ryan to) is defending Rafa.
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He also said he had to put ice on his knee, was that just because he felt like it ?
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Bumps and bruises, they can be played through Krissr and you'd have to figure from Torres' reaction that he felt that too.
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Anywere on the knee that might be sore, is a risk to carry on playing with it, imagine he would of carried on and got injured and out for the season, would people of been happy then, knowing he carried on playing him when he knew it could of put him out for the season ?
Rooney didn't play last week because he was a slight risk of further injury although Feguson said he could of physically played him, just that he didn't want to risk him
[/quote]
Ok Krissr Benitez got it spot on. It's not like we have the resources to compete with a club like Birmingham anyway.
We should be over the moon with the draw.
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We had just played a massive game on only thursday away in europe with ten men for most of the game of course we are not goin to be at our best, players are gonna be knackered, and also Birmingham are unbeaten at home in the league since September, not exactly an easy team are they ? at home they have drew with Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, Man City
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082117#msg1082117 date=1270403563]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082102#msg1082102 date=1270402475]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082096#msg1082096 date=1270401787]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082095#msg1082095 date=1270401669]
Btw Rafa's interview gave the reason for the Torres substitution as exhaustion.
No injury .
I can't believe anyone (although I expect Ryan to) is defending Rafa.
[/quote]
He also said he had to put ice on his knee, was that just because he felt like it ?
[/quote]
Bumps and bruises, they can be played through Krissr and you'd have to figure from Torres' reaction that he felt that too.
[/quote]
Anywere on the knee that might be sore, is a risk to carry on playing with it, imagine he would of carried on and got injured and out for the season, would people of been happy then, knowing he carried on playing him when he knew it could of put him out for the season ?
Rooney didn't play last week because he was a slight risk of further injury although Feguson said he could of physically played him, just that he didn't want to risk him
[/quote]
Ok Krissr Benitez got it spot on. It's not like we have the resources to compete with a club like Birmingham anyway.
We should be over the moon with the draw.
[/quote]
We had just played a massive game on only thursday away in europe with ten men for most of the game of course we are not goin to be at our best, players are gonna be knackered, and also Birmingham are unbeaten at home in the league since September, not exactly an easy team are they ? at home they have drew with Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, Man City
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[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082117#msg1082117 date=1270403563]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082102#msg1082102 date=1270402475]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082096#msg1082096 date=1270401787]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082095#msg1082095 date=1270401669]
Btw Rafa's interview gave the reason for the Torres substitution as exhaustion.
No injury .
I can't believe anyone (although I expect Ryan to) is defending Rafa.
[/quote]
He also said he had to put ice on his knee, was that just because he felt like it ?
[/quote]
Bumps and bruises, they can be played through Krissr and you'd have to figure from Torres' reaction that he felt that too.
[/quote]
Anywere on the knee that might be sore, is a risk to carry on playing with it, imagine he would of carried on and got injured and out for the season, would people of been happy then, knowing he carried on playing him when he knew it could of put him out for the season ?
Rooney didn't play last week because he was a slight risk of further injury although Feguson said he could of physically played him, just that he didn't want to risk him
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Have you ever played football kriss? Players put ice on swellings, bruises etc after a game ALL THE FUCKING TIME. It's precautionary; it doesn't mean you're at risk of getting a major injury if you play another 30 mins. Torres was tired - I accept that - but this was a huge game and he didn't exactly look relieved to be taken off, did he?
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And a tired Torres is fucking 100 times better than Babbel+N'Gog COMBINED !
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082117#msg1082117 date=1270403563]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082102#msg1082102 date=1270402475]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082096#msg1082096 date=1270401787]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082095#msg1082095 date=1270401669]
Btw Rafa's interview gave the reason for the Torres substitution as exhaustion.
No injury .
I can't believe anyone (although I expect Ryan to) is defending Rafa.
[/quote]
He also said he had to put ice on his knee, was that just because he felt like it ?
[/quote]
Bumps and bruises, they can be played through Krissr and you'd have to figure from Torres' reaction that he felt that too.
[/quote]
Anywere on the knee that might be sore, is a risk to carry on playing with it, imagine he would of carried on and got injured and out for the season, would people of been happy then, knowing he carried on playing him when he knew it could of put him out for the season ?
Rooney didn't play last week because he was a slight risk of further injury although Feguson said he could of physically played him, just that he didn't want to risk him
[/quote]
Have you ever played football kriss? Players put ice on swellings, bruises etc after a game ALL THE FUCKING TIME. It's precautionary; it doesn't mean you're at risk of getting a major injury if you play another 30 mins. Torres was tired - I accept that - but this was a huge game and he didn't exactly look relieved to be taken off, did he?
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And a tired Torres is fucking 100 times better than Babbel+N'Gog COMBINED !
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082124#msg1082124 date=1270403899]
KRISSR WE'VE SPENT MORE THAN MAN UNITED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.
WE GET SHIT PLAYERS BECAUSE BENITEZ TARGETS SHIT PLAYERS
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I think that is the silliest comment i have heard on here in a while, If anyone thinks he would rather have N'gog, Lucas, Insua and the likes Babel etc over the likes of Villa, Aguero, Sylva, Tevez they must be insane
KRISSR WE'VE SPENT MORE THAN MAN UNITED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.
WE GET SHIT PLAYERS BECAUSE BENITEZ TARGETS SHIT PLAYERS
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I think that is the silliest comment i have heard on here in a while, If anyone thinks he would rather have N'gog, Lucas, Insua and the likes Babel etc over the likes of Villa, Aguero, Sylva, Tevez they must be insane
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39651.msg1082133#msg1082133 date=1270404249]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082124#msg1082124 date=1270403899]
KRISSR WE'VE SPENT MORE THAN MAN UNITED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.
[/quote]
Rafa's time might well be up, but please stop speaking bollocks.
They've out spent us by well over £100m.
[/quote]
I don't know the figures, and I'm loathed to get into an arguement about it, but he's clearly spent enough to be doing better. The last two transfer windows in one way or another have been disastrous, and it's cost us.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082124#msg1082124 date=1270403899]
KRISSR WE'VE SPENT MORE THAN MAN UNITED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.
[/quote]
Rafa's time might well be up, but please stop speaking bollocks.
They've out spent us by well over £100m.
[/quote]
I don't know the figures, and I'm loathed to get into an arguement about it, but he's clearly spent enough to be doing better. The last two transfer windows in one way or another have been disastrous, and it's cost us.
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082093#msg1082093 date=1270401599]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39651.msg1082092#msg1082092 date=1270401455]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082089#msg1082089 date=1270401163]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39651.msg1082085#msg1082085 date=1270400862]
Look.
Joking and excuse making aside.
Vs Villa away. Torres plays like a twat for 89 minutes and pops up and wins us a huge 3 points when we needed it.
Today he got taken off, and against a Tiring defence we made chances. And the best striker in the world wasn't there to finish them.
Don't dress it up, don't bullshit you don't take off your best player in a must win game. Ever.
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Well why is that we created more chances when he came off ? and who was on the end of them N''gog
[/quote]Kriss are you really buying the bullshit youre spreading?
Torres coming off isn't why we made chances. And you know it. If youre just going to blindly ignore the facts there's not much point in me trying to explain it to you.
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Mate the fact is we created more chances when Torres came off and they fell to N'gog, you don't put ice on your knee if it's ok do you ?
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It's a precautionary measure that is taken all the time in professional sport. He was perfectly ok to continue.
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[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082089#msg1082089 date=1270401163]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39651.msg1082085#msg1082085 date=1270400862]
Look.
Joking and excuse making aside.
Vs Villa away. Torres plays like a twat for 89 minutes and pops up and wins us a huge 3 points when we needed it.
Today he got taken off, and against a Tiring defence we made chances. And the best striker in the world wasn't there to finish them.
Don't dress it up, don't bullshit you don't take off your best player in a must win game. Ever.
[/quote]
Well why is that we created more chances when he came off ? and who was on the end of them N''gog
[/quote]Kriss are you really buying the bullshit youre spreading?
Torres coming off isn't why we made chances. And you know it. If youre just going to blindly ignore the facts there's not much point in me trying to explain it to you.
[/quote]
Mate the fact is we created more chances when Torres came off and they fell to N'gog, you don't put ice on your knee if it's ok do you ?
[/quote]
It's a precautionary measure that is taken all the time in professional sport. He was perfectly ok to continue.
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082129#msg1082129 date=1270404107]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082119#msg1082119 date=1270403737]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082117#msg1082117 date=1270403563]
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[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082096#msg1082096 date=1270401787]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082095#msg1082095 date=1270401669]
Btw Rafa's interview gave the reason for the Torres substitution as exhaustion.
No injury .
I can't believe anyone (although I expect Ryan to) is defending Rafa.
[/quote]
He also said he had to put ice on his knee, was that just because he felt like it ?
[/quote]
Bumps and bruises, they can be played through Krissr and you'd have to figure from Torres' reaction that he felt that too.
[/quote]
Anywere on the knee that might be sore, is a risk to carry on playing with it, imagine he would of carried on and got injured and out for the season, would people of been happy then, knowing he carried on playing him when he knew it could of put him out for the season ?
Rooney didn't play last week because he was a slight risk of further injury although Feguson said he could of physically played him, just that he didn't want to risk him
[/quote]
Ok Krissr Benitez got it spot on. It's not like we have the resources to compete with a club like Birmingham anyway.
We should be over the moon with the draw.
[/quote]
We had just played a massive game on only thursday away in europe with ten men for most of the game of course we are not goin to be at our best, players are gonna be knackered, and also Birmingham are unbeaten at home in the league since September, not exactly an easy team are they ? at home they have drew with Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, Man City
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Excuse #3,145,223
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082119#msg1082119 date=1270403737]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082117#msg1082117 date=1270403563]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082102#msg1082102 date=1270402475]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082096#msg1082096 date=1270401787]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082095#msg1082095 date=1270401669]
Btw Rafa's interview gave the reason for the Torres substitution as exhaustion.
No injury .
I can't believe anyone (although I expect Ryan to) is defending Rafa.
[/quote]
He also said he had to put ice on his knee, was that just because he felt like it ?
[/quote]
Bumps and bruises, they can be played through Krissr and you'd have to figure from Torres' reaction that he felt that too.
[/quote]
Anywere on the knee that might be sore, is a risk to carry on playing with it, imagine he would of carried on and got injured and out for the season, would people of been happy then, knowing he carried on playing him when he knew it could of put him out for the season ?
Rooney didn't play last week because he was a slight risk of further injury although Feguson said he could of physically played him, just that he didn't want to risk him
[/quote]
Ok Krissr Benitez got it spot on. It's not like we have the resources to compete with a club like Birmingham anyway.
We should be over the moon with the draw.
[/quote]
We had just played a massive game on only thursday away in europe with ten men for most of the game of course we are not goin to be at our best, players are gonna be knackered, and also Birmingham are unbeaten at home in the league since September, not exactly an easy team are they ? at home they have drew with Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, Man City
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Excuse #3,145,223
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082122#msg1082122 date=1270403823]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTbN1ksDTds&feature=player_embedded#
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Torres SHAKES his head as he jogs past Stevie.. and Stevie's reaction stemmed from that.
For me, that tells a story. Our top 2 players united in their disbelief.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTbN1ksDTds&feature=player_embedded#
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Torres SHAKES his head as he jogs past Stevie.. and Stevie's reaction stemmed from that.
For me, that tells a story. Our top 2 players united in their disbelief.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39651.msg1082133#msg1082133 date=1270404249]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082124#msg1082124 date=1270403899]
KRISSR WE'VE SPENT MORE THAN MAN UNITED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.
[/quote]
Rafa's time might well be up, but please stop speaking bollocks.
They've out spent us by well over £100m.
[/quote]
I'd love to see you back that up with some figures.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082124#msg1082124 date=1270403899]
KRISSR WE'VE SPENT MORE THAN MAN UNITED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.
[/quote]
Rafa's time might well be up, but please stop speaking bollocks.
They've out spent us by well over £100m.
[/quote]
I'd love to see you back that up with some figures.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39651.msg1082133#msg1082133 date=1270404249]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082124#msg1082124 date=1270403899]
KRISSR WE'VE SPENT MORE THAN MAN UNITED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.
[/quote]
Rafa's time might well be up, but please stop speaking bollocks.
They've out spent us by well over £100m.
[/quote]
Horribly horribly wrong Rafa.
Since Rafa joined we've outspent them by 70m gross and and 76m net.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082124#msg1082124 date=1270403899]
KRISSR WE'VE SPENT MORE THAN MAN UNITED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.
[/quote]
Rafa's time might well be up, but please stop speaking bollocks.
They've out spent us by well over £100m.
[/quote]
Horribly horribly wrong Rafa.
Since Rafa joined we've outspent them by 70m gross and and 76m net.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39651.msg1082136#msg1082136 date=1270404368]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39651.msg1082133#msg1082133 date=1270404249]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082124#msg1082124 date=1270403899]
KRISSR WE'VE SPENT MORE THAN MAN UNITED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.
[/quote]
Rafa's time might well be up, but please stop speaking bollocks.
They've out spent us by well over £100m.
[/quote]
I don't know the figures, and I'm loathed to get into an arguement about it, but he's clearly spent enough to be doing better. The last two transfer windows in one way or another have been disastrous, and it's cost us.
[/quote]
I agree with you Mark.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39651.msg1082133#msg1082133 date=1270404249]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082124#msg1082124 date=1270403899]
KRISSR WE'VE SPENT MORE THAN MAN UNITED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.
[/quote]
Rafa's time might well be up, but please stop speaking bollocks.
They've out spent us by well over £100m.
[/quote]
I don't know the figures, and I'm loathed to get into an arguement about it, but he's clearly spent enough to be doing better. The last two transfer windows in one way or another have been disastrous, and it's cost us.
[/quote]
I agree with you Mark.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082143#msg1082143 date=1270404515]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39651.msg1082133#msg1082133 date=1270404249]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082124#msg1082124 date=1270403899]
KRISSR WE'VE SPENT MORE THAN MAN UNITED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.
[/quote]
Rafa's time might well be up, but please stop speaking bollocks.
They've out spent us by well over £100m.
[/quote]
Horribly horribly wrong Rafa.
Since Rafa joined we've outspent them by 70m gross and and 76m net.
[/quote]
I take it you have forgot to take into account the £31m more they pay in wages per season.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39651.msg1082133#msg1082133 date=1270404249]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082124#msg1082124 date=1270403899]
KRISSR WE'VE SPENT MORE THAN MAN UNITED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.
[/quote]
Rafa's time might well be up, but please stop speaking bollocks.
They've out spent us by well over £100m.
[/quote]
Horribly horribly wrong Rafa.
Since Rafa joined we've outspent them by 70m gross and and 76m net.
[/quote]
I take it you have forgot to take into account the £31m more they pay in wages per season.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39651.msg1082145#msg1082145 date=1270404567]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39651.msg1082136#msg1082136 date=1270404368]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39651.msg1082133#msg1082133 date=1270404249]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082124#msg1082124 date=1270403899]
KRISSR WE'VE SPENT MORE THAN MAN UNITED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.
[/quote]
Rafa's time might well be up, but please stop speaking bollocks.
They've out spent us by well over £100m.
[/quote]
I don't know the figures, and I'm loathed to get into an arguement about it, but he's clearly spent enough to be doing better. The last two transfer windows in one way or another have been disastrous, and it's cost us.
[/quote]
I agree with you Mark.
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Ok, but do you mean you feel like he's been left short or that he's got it wrong? Regardless of the withholding of funds this year and the loss of Alonso, he HAS fucked up in the transfer market and it HAS cost us on the pitch. Keane, Aquilani (and I do rate him), Dossena, Riera, Cavieleril.. That's £60m worth of disaster right there.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39651.msg1082136#msg1082136 date=1270404368]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39651.msg1082133#msg1082133 date=1270404249]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082124#msg1082124 date=1270403899]
KRISSR WE'VE SPENT MORE THAN MAN UNITED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.
[/quote]
Rafa's time might well be up, but please stop speaking bollocks.
They've out spent us by well over £100m.
[/quote]
I don't know the figures, and I'm loathed to get into an arguement about it, but he's clearly spent enough to be doing better. The last two transfer windows in one way or another have been disastrous, and it's cost us.
[/quote]
I agree with you Mark.
[/quote]
Ok, but do you mean you feel like he's been left short or that he's got it wrong? Regardless of the withholding of funds this year and the loss of Alonso, he HAS fucked up in the transfer market and it HAS cost us on the pitch. Keane, Aquilani (and I do rate him), Dossena, Riera, Cavieleril.. That's £60m worth of disaster right there.
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/
This link is pretty good Ross, and it clearly backs your argument.
The difference between Utds spending and ours, is that we have bought 5-6 decent players instead of 3 very good each year. Leaving us with shifting shite for shite, while having the same type of squad in the process. It's clearly showing now.
This link is pretty good Ross, and it clearly backs your argument.
The difference between Utds spending and ours, is that we have bought 5-6 decent players instead of 3 very good each year. Leaving us with shifting shite for shite, while having the same type of squad in the process. It's clearly showing now.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39651.msg1082151#msg1082151 date=1270404809]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39651.msg1082145#msg1082145 date=1270404567]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39651.msg1082136#msg1082136 date=1270404368]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39651.msg1082133#msg1082133 date=1270404249]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082124#msg1082124 date=1270403899]
KRISSR WE'VE SPENT MORE THAN MAN UNITED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.
[/quote]
Rafa's time might well be up, but please stop speaking bollocks.
They've out spent us by well over £100m.
[/quote]
I don't know the figures, and I'm loathed to get into an arguement about it, but he's clearly spent enough to be doing better. The last two transfer windows in one way or another have been disastrous, and it's cost us.
[/quote]
I agree with you Mark.
[/quote]
Ok, but do you mean you feel like he's been left short or that he's got it wrong? Regardless of the withholding of funds this year and the loss of Alonso, he HAS fucked up in the transfer market and it HAS cost us on the pitch. Keane, Aquilani (and I do rate him), Dossena, Riera, Cavieleril.. That's £60m worth of disaster right there.
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Both mate.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39651.msg1082145#msg1082145 date=1270404567]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39651.msg1082136#msg1082136 date=1270404368]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39651.msg1082133#msg1082133 date=1270404249]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082124#msg1082124 date=1270403899]
KRISSR WE'VE SPENT MORE THAN MAN UNITED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.
[/quote]
Rafa's time might well be up, but please stop speaking bollocks.
They've out spent us by well over £100m.
[/quote]
I don't know the figures, and I'm loathed to get into an arguement about it, but he's clearly spent enough to be doing better. The last two transfer windows in one way or another have been disastrous, and it's cost us.
[/quote]
I agree with you Mark.
[/quote]
Ok, but do you mean you feel like he's been left short or that he's got it wrong? Regardless of the withholding of funds this year and the loss of Alonso, he HAS fucked up in the transfer market and it HAS cost us on the pitch. Keane, Aquilani (and I do rate him), Dossena, Riera, Cavieleril.. That's £60m worth of disaster right there.
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Both mate.
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082153#msg1082153 date=1270404865]
It doesn't matter how much we have spent, in the last 6 years, the squad he took over compared to the Man Utd one at the time, needed alot more spent on it to take us their level
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Kriss, it does matter, because the money he's been given he's had inconsistent success with. And that includes the £60m worth of fuck ups in the last two Summers alone. That's not £5m here and there on stop gaps is it?
Shall we look at Everton? People want to talk about the difference between us and the teams ahead of us, and they want to justify it by financial limitations.
Well justify why Everton are just shy of where we are.
It doesn't matter how much we have spent, in the last 6 years, the squad he took over compared to the Man Utd one at the time, needed alot more spent on it to take us their level
[/quote]
Kriss, it does matter, because the money he's been given he's had inconsistent success with. And that includes the £60m worth of fuck ups in the last two Summers alone. That's not £5m here and there on stop gaps is it?
Shall we look at Everton? People want to talk about the difference between us and the teams ahead of us, and they want to justify it by financial limitations.
Well justify why Everton are just shy of where we are.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39651.msg1082159#msg1082159 date=1270405010]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082153#msg1082153 date=1270404865]
It doesn't matter how much we have spent, in the last 6 years, the squad he took over compared to the Man Utd one at the time, needed alot more spent on it to take us their level
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Kriss, it does matter, because the money he's been given he's had inconsistent success with. And that includes the £60m worth of fuck ups in the last two Summers alone. That's not £5m here and there on stop gaps is it?
Shall we look at Everton? People want to talk about the difference between us and the teams ahead of us, and they want to justify it by financial limitations.
Well justify why Everton are just shy of where we are.
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Ok then Mark to say Everton are just shy of us is going abit far, Champions league winners, runners up aswell, 2nd in the league, Fa cup, runner up in the league cup, Super cup, finished ahead of them every year in the leagie except one, and they also nearly got relegated once is hardly close to us
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082153#msg1082153 date=1270404865]
It doesn't matter how much we have spent, in the last 6 years, the squad he took over compared to the Man Utd one at the time, needed alot more spent on it to take us their level
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Kriss, it does matter, because the money he's been given he's had inconsistent success with. And that includes the £60m worth of fuck ups in the last two Summers alone. That's not £5m here and there on stop gaps is it?
Shall we look at Everton? People want to talk about the difference between us and the teams ahead of us, and they want to justify it by financial limitations.
Well justify why Everton are just shy of where we are.
[/quote]
Ok then Mark to say Everton are just shy of us is going abit far, Champions league winners, runners up aswell, 2nd in the league, Fa cup, runner up in the league cup, Super cup, finished ahead of them every year in the leagie except one, and they also nearly got relegated once is hardly close to us
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082143#msg1082143 date=1270404515]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39651.msg1082133#msg1082133 date=1270404249]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082124#msg1082124 date=1270403899]
KRISSR WE'VE SPENT MORE THAN MAN UNITED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.
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Rafa's time might well be up, but please stop speaking bollocks.
They've out spent us by well over £100m.
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Horribly horribly wrong Rafa.
Since Rafa joined we've outspent them by 70m gross and and 76m net.
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Rosco, Rosco.
Surely you realised that this post would see the attack of the 'WAGE BILL' (TM)
SHORYUKEN!
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39651.msg1082133#msg1082133 date=1270404249]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082124#msg1082124 date=1270403899]
KRISSR WE'VE SPENT MORE THAN MAN UNITED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.
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Rafa's time might well be up, but please stop speaking bollocks.
They've out spent us by well over £100m.
[/quote]
Horribly horribly wrong Rafa.
Since Rafa joined we've outspent them by 70m gross and and 76m net.
[/quote]
Rosco, Rosco.
Surely you realised that this post would see the attack of the 'WAGE BILL' (TM)
SHORYUKEN!
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39651.msg1082159#msg1082159 date=1270405010]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082153#msg1082153 date=1270404865]
It doesn't matter how much we have spent, in the last 6 years, the squad he took over compared to the Man Utd one at the time, needed alot more spent on it to take us their level
[/quote]
Kriss, it does matter, because the money he's been given he's had inconsistent success with. And that includes the £60m worth of fuck ups in the last two Summers alone. That's not £5m here and there on stop gaps is it?
Shall we look at Everton? People want to talk about the difference between us and the teams ahead of us, and they want to justify it by financial limitations.
Well justify why Everton are just shy of where we are.
[/quote]
rafa's league finshes are something like (going from memory)
5th - resting players in preperation for the the final
3rd - finishing ahead of arsenal
3rd - finishing ahead of arsenal
4th -
2nd - finishing adead of arsenal and chelsea
and this crap season, looking at the above does this season look like a blip or a trend?
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082153#msg1082153 date=1270404865]
It doesn't matter how much we have spent, in the last 6 years, the squad he took over compared to the Man Utd one at the time, needed alot more spent on it to take us their level
[/quote]
Kriss, it does matter, because the money he's been given he's had inconsistent success with. And that includes the £60m worth of fuck ups in the last two Summers alone. That's not £5m here and there on stop gaps is it?
Shall we look at Everton? People want to talk about the difference between us and the teams ahead of us, and they want to justify it by financial limitations.
Well justify why Everton are just shy of where we are.
[/quote]
rafa's league finshes are something like (going from memory)
5th - resting players in preperation for the the final
3rd - finishing ahead of arsenal
3rd - finishing ahead of arsenal
4th -
2nd - finishing adead of arsenal and chelsea
and this crap season, looking at the above does this season look like a blip or a trend?
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39651.msg1082159#msg1082159 date=1270405010]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082153#msg1082153 date=1270404865]
It doesn't matter how much we have spent, in the last 6 years, the squad he took over compared to the Man Utd one at the time, needed alot more spent on it to take us their level
[/quote]
Kriss, it does matter, because the money he's been given he's had inconsistent success with. And that includes the £60m worth of fuck ups in the last two Summers alone. That's not £5m here and there on stop gaps is it?
Shall we look at Everton? People want to talk about the difference between us and the teams ahead of us, and they want to justify it by financial limitations.
Well justify why Everton are just shy of where we are.
[/quote]
Mark, Mark.
Surely you realised that this post would see the attack of 'EVERTON HAVEN'T WON ANYTHING SO COMPARING US TO THEM IS RIDICULOUS' (TM)
SHORYUKEN!
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082153#msg1082153 date=1270404865]
It doesn't matter how much we have spent, in the last 6 years, the squad he took over compared to the Man Utd one at the time, needed alot more spent on it to take us their level
[/quote]
Kriss, it does matter, because the money he's been given he's had inconsistent success with. And that includes the £60m worth of fuck ups in the last two Summers alone. That's not £5m here and there on stop gaps is it?
Shall we look at Everton? People want to talk about the difference between us and the teams ahead of us, and they want to justify it by financial limitations.
Well justify why Everton are just shy of where we are.
[/quote]
Mark, Mark.
Surely you realised that this post would see the attack of 'EVERTON HAVEN'T WON ANYTHING SO COMPARING US TO THEM IS RIDICULOUS' (TM)
SHORYUKEN!
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39651.msg1082122#msg1082122 date=1270403823]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTbN1ksDTds&feature=player_embedded#
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Thanks added to first post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTbN1ksDTds&feature=player_embedded#
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Thanks added to first post.
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082162#msg1082162 date=1270405348]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39651.msg1082159#msg1082159 date=1270405010]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082153#msg1082153 date=1270404865]
It doesn't matter how much we have spent, in the last 6 years, the squad he took over compared to the Man Utd one at the time, needed alot more spent on it to take us their level
[/quote]
Kriss, it does matter, because the money he's been given he's had inconsistent success with. And that includes the £60m worth of fuck ups in the last two Summers alone. That's not £5m here and there on stop gaps is it?
Shall we look at Everton? People want to talk about the difference between us and the teams ahead of us, and they want to justify it by financial limitations.
Well justify why Everton are just shy of where we are.
[/quote]
Ok then Mark to say Everton are just shy of us is going abit far, Champions league winners, runners up aswell, 2nd in the league, Fa cup, runner up in the league cup, Super cup, finished ahead of them every year in the leagie except one, and they also nearly got relegated once is hardly close to us
[/quote]
Why not just throw in all the league titles too!
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39651.msg1082159#msg1082159 date=1270405010]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39651.msg1082153#msg1082153 date=1270404865]
It doesn't matter how much we have spent, in the last 6 years, the squad he took over compared to the Man Utd one at the time, needed alot more spent on it to take us their level
[/quote]
Kriss, it does matter, because the money he's been given he's had inconsistent success with. And that includes the £60m worth of fuck ups in the last two Summers alone. That's not £5m here and there on stop gaps is it?
Shall we look at Everton? People want to talk about the difference between us and the teams ahead of us, and they want to justify it by financial limitations.
Well justify why Everton are just shy of where we are.
[/quote]
Ok then Mark to say Everton are just shy of us is going abit far, Champions league winners, runners up aswell, 2nd in the league, Fa cup, runner up in the league cup, Super cup, finished ahead of them every year in the leagie except one, and they also nearly got relegated once is hardly close to us
[/quote]
Why not just throw in all the league titles too!
I live in hope that we are massively better as a squad than our results show and once unleashed under a new manager the £20m we have to spend to get rid of Rafa will be like signing a new player, such will be the improvement in us.
My fear is that really Rafa is working minor miracles with our mostly mediocre journeyman and we are actually punching above our weight.
All of which would be his fault, since it's his squad and his tactical approach that defines us.
An interesting summer ahead then.
My fear is that really Rafa is working minor miracles with our mostly mediocre journeyman and we are actually punching above our weight.
All of which would be his fault, since it's his squad and his tactical approach that defines us.
An interesting summer ahead then.
[quote author=Tal link=topic=39651.msg1082170#msg1082170 date=1270405674]
I live in hope that we are massively better as a squad than our results show and once unleashed under a new manager the £20m we have to spend to get rid of Rafa will be like signing a new player, such will be the improvement in us.
My fear is that really Rafa is working minor miracles with our mostly mediocre journeyman and we are actually punching above our weight.
All of which would be his fault, since it's his squad and his tactical approach that defines us.
An interesting summer ahead then.
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Certainly is Tal, good to see yer posting again anyway!
I live in hope that we are massively better as a squad than our results show and once unleashed under a new manager the £20m we have to spend to get rid of Rafa will be like signing a new player, such will be the improvement in us.
My fear is that really Rafa is working minor miracles with our mostly mediocre journeyman and we are actually punching above our weight.
All of which would be his fault, since it's his squad and his tactical approach that defines us.
An interesting summer ahead then.
[/quote]
Certainly is Tal, good to see yer posting again anyway!
[quote author=Tal link=topic=39651.msg1082170#msg1082170 date=1270405674]
I live in hope that we are massively better as a squad than our results show and once unleashed under a new manager the £20m we have to spend to get rid of Rafa will be like signing a new player, such will be the improvement in us.
My fear is that really Rafa is working minor miracles with our mostly mediocre journeyman and we are actually punching above our weight.
All of which would be his fault, since it's his squad and his tactical approach that defines us.
An interesting summer ahead then.
[/quote]
Working minor miracles with Torres, Gerrard, Masha, Johnson, Reina, Carra, Agger....as his core squad members?
are you taking the piss or just a bit.....er dim?
I live in hope that we are massively better as a squad than our results show and once unleashed under a new manager the £20m we have to spend to get rid of Rafa will be like signing a new player, such will be the improvement in us.
My fear is that really Rafa is working minor miracles with our mostly mediocre journeyman and we are actually punching above our weight.
All of which would be his fault, since it's his squad and his tactical approach that defines us.
An interesting summer ahead then.
[/quote]
Working minor miracles with Torres, Gerrard, Masha, Johnson, Reina, Carra, Agger....as his core squad members?
are you taking the piss or just a bit.....er dim?
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