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Just a reminder that the club's accounts for 2023 should be made public at the end of the month. I will do a thread as and when.
In the meantime we'll have Everton's appeal hearing to consider as well - ruling expected mid month apparently. Gonna be a busy month for the geeks.
In the meantime we'll have Everton's appeal hearing to consider as well - ruling expected mid month apparently. Gonna be a busy month for the geeks.
Cheers Maxy boy
Look at this teaser, what a pro.
Taught Mbappe all he knows.
Wouldn’t Everton be better arguing that if they hadn’t spent so much money on shite players their original squad would probably have gotten them in to Europe regularly?
Therefore, they’ve been punished already.
That and the fact the fans had to watch that shite on the pitch.
Relegating them might actually give the fans a chance to experience stringing together a couple of wins.
Therefore, they’ve been punished already.
That and the fact the fans had to watch that shite on the pitch.
Relegating them might actually give the fans a chance to experience stringing together a couple of wins.
So, which of those teams gets to play in the Champions League and which in the Europa? Would be very skeptical and concerned if I were a supporter of either club?
@Beamrider
Hey, I remember you making a post showing Liverpool's income over a certain period and expenditure were about par.
Do you remember if those numbers from when FSG took over?
It was around £1.5b (not including this season's window)
Hey, I remember you making a post showing Liverpool's income over a certain period and expenditure were about par.
Do you remember if those numbers from when FSG took over?
It was around £1.5b (not including this season's window)
Think you mean this thread, and yes it was just FSG period.
FSG - long term report
Because I'm bored and have nothing better to do I decided to pull together some very high-level numbers around LFC's spending during FSG's ownership. These figures are pulled directly from the cash flow statements in our accounts from 2010-2022. {colgroup} {col=185x@}{/col}{col=81x@}{/col}...
Pretty sure they relaxed the rules unfortunately.
He's one of the worst journos out there and probably gets paid by Citys owners. When Zola was at Watford he wrote an article about how the ownership model of Udinese, Watford and the Pozzo family etc was all that was wrong with modern football. Changed his tune hasnt he?
View: https://twitter.com/TimesSport/status/1756960412438802761
View: https://twitter.com/TimesSport/status/1756960412438802761
If there's one criticism I'd lay firmly at the feet of FSG, it's their failure to become multiclub owners to develop the talent and revenue stream for our club.
He is bent as fck, pretty sure he was taking payments from Abro and Chavs prior to that. Each article he writes is pretty politically motivated. Dodgy fcker.
Thread by a Villa fan - sharing for viewing of figures in the tweets
View: https://twitter.com/mattlyynch/status/1759571304078872886
View: https://twitter.com/mattlyynch/status/1759571320428167355
View: https://twitter.com/mattlyynch/status/1759571304078872886
View: https://twitter.com/mattlyynch/status/1759571320428167355
[BGCOLOR=rgb(255, 255, 255)]The eight best-selling football club shirts in the world for 2022/23
BYHAL FISH
PUBLISHED DEC 3, 2023
Chelsea don't make the list...[/BGCOLOR]
[BGCOLOR=rgb(255, 255, 255)]HIGHLIGHTS
For as much as football is all about the results at the end of the day, there are some less-important things that still mean the world to supporters. Right at the very top of that list comes the club kit.
- A number of top teams sold millions of replica shirts over the course of the 2022/23 season.
- Manchester United and Adidas rank second with 1.75 million sales, showcasing the continued popularity of the club despite post-Sir Alex Ferguson troubles.
- Arsenal, sponsored by Adidas, comes in at eighth place with 850,000 sales, boosted by their success on the pitch and their return to the Champions League.
Of course, it doesn't impact team performance but nobody wants to watch their side come out in some ugly shirt, created by some overly ambitious designer who doesn't actually watch the sport. And there have been some pretty controversial kits over the years. For instance, Manchester United's away kit from the 1995-96 season has gone down in infamy after the players were so unhappy with the grey strip, they swapped it at half-time.
But if the kit-makers and sponsors come together to release something pleasing to the eye, they can not only make something that has the potential to become a key part of a club's iconography, but it can also bring in millions of pounds in revenue. And this sort of thing really does matter in the modern game.
Indeed, as much as certain club owners have all the money in the world to invest in their teams, they can't just invest unlimited funds. Due to Financial Fair Play rules, clubs can't spend more than they earn. So to be sustainable, it helps if their shirts are flying off the shelves.
This explains why teams now tend to release new home, away and third kits every season, instead of letting designs be worn for a couple of years in a row. But the question is, who's shirt is the most popular? Well, as per research conducted by Dr Peter Rohlmann, via Reddit, the results are in for the 2022/23 season.
Liverpool Nike 1.8 million Manchester United Adidas 1.75 million Real Madrid Adidas 1.7 million Barcelona Nike 1.6 million Bayern Munich Adidas 1.35 million Manchester City Puma 1.29 million Paris Saint-Germain Nike 1.1 million Arsenal Adidas 850 thousand 8Arsenal - 850,000
Arsenal, who are sponsored by Adidas, come in at eighth on the list, just getting in ahead of Chelsea (who sold 800,000 shirts). According to Dr Rohlmann, via Łukasz Bączek on X, the sales increased by almost 20 per cent compared to the 2021/22 season, when just over 700,000 replicas were sold.
No doubt, the Gunners' popularity was boosted by their success on the pitch. They ended up finishing second in the Premier League, but led the division for most of the season. Being back in the Champions League for the 2023/24 campaign will likely help growth even more over the following 12 months.
7Paris Saint-Germain - 1,100,000
With 1.1 million replica sales, Paris Saint-Germain were the seventh-biggest club in the world in terms of this category last season. With the likes of Neymar, Lionel Messi and Kylian Mbappe on their books, their popularity comes as no surprise.
However, that trio couldn't fire the club to success in the Champions League, although they did still win Ligue 1. And with Neymar and Messi leaving in the summer, it will be interesting to see how that impacts future kit sales for the side sponsored by Nike.
6Manchester City - 1,290,000
Despite Pep Guardiola seemingly constantly having to ask for more support at the Etihad, Manchester City supposedly made a Premier League record-breaking revenue of £712.8m
for the 2022-23 financial year. Adding to this was the 1.29 million replica shirts sold in tandem with Puma.
In fairness to the club from Manchester, they did achieve a memorable treble last season, lifting the Premier League, Champions League, and FA Cup. The arrival of true superstar Erling Haaland would have also played a big role in kit sales.
5Bayern Munich - 1,350,000
German giants Bayern Munich were always likely to feature high on this list, and with 1.35 million sales, the Adidas-sponsored side rank in at fifth. They are the only Bundesliga club to make the top eight.
They crashed out of the Champions League at the quarter-final stage for a third time in a row last term, and only just won the league on the final day of the season. Had they performed more convincingly on either front, perhaps they would have sold more shirts.
READ MORE:Every Premier League Club's Most Popular Player Based On Shirt Sales
4Barcelona - 1,600,000
In terms of global popularity, clubs don't get much bigger than Barcelona but with living legend Messi leaving in the summer of 2021, it's more than likely that shirt sales have been impacted in the following years. Even so, the Catalan outfit still shifted 1.6m units under Nike sponsorship last term.
This number would have been boosted by their domestic success as manager Xavi led to the club to a first La Liga triumph since since 2019. In the Champions League, however, they were knocked out at the group stages for a second year in a row, which would have impacted the club's popularity.
3Real Madrid - 1,700,000
Real Madrid fans will no doubt be delighted to finish above their Spanish rivals on this list but with 1.7 million sales, they only just make it into the top three here. The Adidas-sponsored outfit continues to be one of the biggest clubs in the world even if they didn't have the greatest season.
After all, they were knocked out of the Champions League convincingly by Man City and then, as mentioned before, were beaten in the race for La Liga by Barcelona. Jude Bellingham's recent arrival will help the club sell even more replicas throughout the current campaign.
2Manchester United - 1,750,000
With 1.75 million sales, Manchester United and Adidas just squeezed into second on this list. Their high ranking is a testament to just how big the club remains, despite the troubles of the post-Sir Alex Ferguson era.
At least they enjoyed some on-field success last term under Erik ten Hag too, as they won the Carabao Cup and finished inside the top four, thus qualifying for the Champions League. Still, that hard work has already started to unravel in the Dutchman's second season in charge.
1Liverpool - 1,800,000
And so, ranking in with the most football shirt sales in 2022/23, come Liverpool and their sponsor Nike. The Reds have enjoyed a period of sustained success since Jurgen Klopp arrived in 2015, and this is clearly helping with their popularity off the pitch.
The Reds actually suffered a tricky campaign last term, finishing fifth in the Premier League, and consequently falling out of the Champions League. They look like title challengers once more this time around, though, so it will be interesting to see if they will retain their status as the number one in replica shirt sales this time next year[/BGCOLOR]
Could be Hal-ing it
@Beamrider alert!!!
Everton penalty reduced to 6 points (which gets them out of the shit)
Analysis request 🙃
Everton penalty reduced to 6 points (which gets them out of the shit)
Analysis request 🙃
Everton FC appealed the sanction imposed against it on nine grounds, each of which related to the sanction rather than the fact of the breach, which the club admitted.
Two of those nine grounds were upheld by the Appeal Board, which has substituted the original points deduction of 10 for six.
Link to the appeal decision article
Two of those nine grounds were upheld by the Appeal Board, which has substituted the original points deduction of 10 for six.
- The commission was wrong to punish Everton for being "less than frank" over what it told the Premier League about its new stadium debt
- The commission was "wrong not to take into account available benchmarks" and that a six-point sanction was "broadly in line" with English Football League guidelines
Link to the appeal decision article
14 Bournmouth P25 28 (-14)
15 Everton.........P26 25 (-6)
16 Brenford........P25 25 (-9)
17 Forest............P26 24 (-14)
18 Luton.............P25 20 (-16)
Last 5 :
DREW 0 - 0 AGAINST FULHAM
DREW 2 - 2 AGAINST TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR
LOST 0 - 2 AGAINST MANCHESTER CITY
DREW 1 - 1 AGAINST CRYSTAL PALACE
DREW 1-1 AGAINST BRIGHTON
15 Everton.........P26 25 (-6)
16 Brenford........P25 25 (-9)
17 Forest............P26 24 (-14)
18 Luton.............P25 20 (-16)
Last 5 :
DREW 0 - 0 AGAINST FULHAM
DREW 2 - 2 AGAINST TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR
LOST 0 - 2 AGAINST MANCHESTER CITY
DREW 1 - 1 AGAINST CRYSTAL PALACE
DREW 1-1 AGAINST BRIGHTON
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