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Always have a soft spot for Wrexham since the days when we played our Reserves games at Racecourse Ground (Liverpool FC and Wrexham AFC: The A to Z of a special relationship).
At that level of the game it's the equivalent of what's happened at Citeh and more recently at Newcastle. Yes, good to see.
BBC News - Newcastle: Saudi Arabia-based Sela named as club's main shirt sponsor
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65859834
Move along.. no cooking of the books here.
Amount per annum? Oh.. errr.. reviewable on a quarterly basis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65859834
Move along.. no cooking of the books here.
Amount per annum? Oh.. errr.. reviewable on a quarterly basis.
If you were selling your house, would you not want the highest price possible? They said they were looking for minority investment, that's gone really quiet, so I wonder what's happening there
They are getting nothing at the prices they quoted. Also, everyone knows gow much they bought it for, and the valie has not gone up that much in terms of what they think. It aint worth 4BN. Also what fucks me off in all this is why the hell is Liverpool so undervalued when we have so many euro cups to our name ? If Real Madrid or Bayern Munich were to be sold or Juvemtus, they would be highly prized assets, but we seem to have a big problem.
So… let me get this right…
You’re fucked off at FSG for valuing the club too highly but also fucked off that Liverpool is so undervalued!??
Do you need to sit down for a minute and think about things?
yes sounds very awkward right ? sorry bit oxymoron like, but let me explain:
FSG - being financially clued up probably know very well they are over-valuing the club based on whatever unrealistic metric they are using, from one of the reports I read - probably bullshit - the club based on assets should be valued at around $2BN at most, probably not profitable as a club considering we would have made a loss had we actually done the quad last year !!!! So yeah they are overvaluing it.
Now with me - it pisses me off that we are not an attractive buy for these so called investors considering we are the most successful club in English football, and have a higher European heritage than any other English club. Surely that should count for something to any prospective buyer when compared to other clubs right ? - its not like we have fallen away like Nottingham Forest etc. So what is the problem with LFC - that makes it not so attractive, such that when it is on the market that there is not a queue of investors or potential buyers wanting us ? That Qatari sheikh guy is pissing me right off with the amount of effort he is putting in to get Manchester United.
Again… you’re pissed off at that “Qatari sheikh guy” for not overvaluing the thing your pissed off fat our current owners for overvaluing.
Basically - you want FSG to sell cheap so that Shiekh Moneybags thinks he’s getting a bargain and invests loadsadosh!!!
I’ll tell you what’s going to happen - and you can be as excited about it as you like - pretty soon FIFA & UEFA, realising they have discovered the next gravy train, will for a handsome fee, relax their ownership regulations so that the Saudi’s can own as many football teams as they like.
This will be around the time Saudi Arabia are confirmed as hosting a World Cup, likely to be 3034 unless the brown envelopes are a little fatter.
At that point FSG will sell and you can happily applaud our new Saudi Overlords as they buy all the players you’ve ever dreamed of and have us playing regular games against their other teams in the kingdom - while they decide which one of their teams wins whichever tin pots they see fit each season.
They might even decide to buy the whole EPL…
I wouldn't not be surprised if they hosted a world cup within the next 30 years.
FSG should invest to protect the value of their asset... had they invested we might have added another league or european title which would have valued the club much higher. Another season out of Europe's top competition could see the valuation of the club could drop significantly.
I don't want want the new owners to invests loads - I want them to do the right thing and invest when necessary in the right areas. We have all seen what happens when you invest loads aka Chelsea's new owners.
As for Saudi, I think you are going a bit over the top on that to the point of paranoia.
Only if you think I was being totally serious…
I hear you, but tell me this - if their current approach has led to the value of the club increasing substantially since they bought it, how much more do you think they could increase the value by pumping in cash on players.
They’d likely increase the overall value of the club more by diverting a fraction of the cash needed to sign a top male player into the woman’s team and increasing that side of the business, by opening up new revenue streams and future growth.
There’s a school of thought that the value of a football club is driven by income and recognisability rather than success (see Utd over the last decade).
So, I think FSG have done very well in protecting and increasing their investment and I’m not sure another league or CL would have significantly increased the clubs value - we’re already generally considered 4th biggest in the world.
What you want is something different - you just want to see owners splashing cash on pretty shiny new things - I mean we all do, to an extent, but if you look at it, really? Why should they - they’re not in it to make us happy - they’re likely in it to maximise the value of their investment with as little outlay or risk as possible.
Not saying I wouldn’t like them to - but it’s like, I could increase the value of my house quickly by investing loads on building an extension… or I could just hang on to it and keep it in good condition until someone offers me stupid money and spend my money on something else instead.
@StevieM - we are out of the CL, so the exposure of our club and what our sponsors probably want by association is to be in that competition and we are not in it because they have not adequately invested in the squad when we were at the top. If they had spent at least 60M last sammer extra on two midfielders, then we would not be in this situation. What the last 10 games showed was that the midfield needed runners and support, amd Fab was nearly recognizable again.
The sky will not come crashing down and sponsors will not run for the hills because we’re not in the CL for a season.
There’s only one team that has qualified for CL in each season over the last decade - so it’s to be expected we’d drop out at some point.
Does it hurt - yes.
Arguably, if we’d spent the Nunez money on a midfielder instead of him, then yes, we’d be in a better position.
Would it be great if the owners stumped up more cash for shiny new things - sure would!!
But they aren’t - so we need to be smart within whatever our limits are - last summer we weren’t smart… we were donkey-brained.
I don't much about the women's game, but I am guessing they get about 2-3 per game. Now, an example/evidence of where FSG don't think that far ahead is, Melwood where they sold the ground only to buy it back few months later at higher price than originally sold.
Where FSG have been lucky with is their recruitment in Klopp, a bit like finding oil with land and then decide not to drill for it. You probably remember me moaning about not getting MFs for four windows,
So question to you, do you think if Klopp had an extra £100m over his time, and he won an extra league and champions league title that wouldn't reflect in the club's value by several folds?
The problem with that comparison is that your house isn't nearly as likely to lose value as LFC is if we continue to slip below our recent standards, as we have this season. The owners will not get the offers they want if the club doesn't get back to the very top level, which it took the signings of Virgil and Alisson to achieve in the first place. If FSG really do want to maximise their investment, as opposed to just doing tolerably well, we have to keep buying at least one or two Virgil/Alisson-level players, of whom Bellingham should have been the first.
Remember who we bought after we won the CL? 🥷
[article]Manchester City are preparing for a high-spending summer to make the most of the funds they have received for winning the treble, according to reports.
Saturday’s success in the Champions League final against Inter ensured Man City completed the treble after also winning the Premier League and FA Cup this season. Their historic achievement serves as a warning to rivals about how they can dominate.
And Man City could become an even more frightening opponent if they are able to strengthen their squad further this summer with new signings.
According to the Daily Telegraph, the summer transfer budget at the Etihad Stadium this year could be in the region of £300m.
By winning the Premier League, they earned £180m. Champions League glory has added another £110m to their winnings, while their FA Cup victory was worth £4m.
Furthermore, Man City could raise funds by selling players this summer, just like they did last year. The report reminds that Bernardo Silva, Aymeric Laporte, Riyad Mahrez and Joao Cancelo could all be sold, while Ilkay Gundogan might leave on a free transfer at the end of his contract.
In turn, Man City might be able to regenerate the squad at Pep Guardiola’s disposal. Areas they are thinking of investing in include centre-back and midfield.[/article]
[article]Manchester City are preparing for a high-spending summer to make the most of the funds they have received for winning the treble, according to reports.
Saturday’s success in the Champions League final against Inter ensured Man City completed the treble after also winning the Premier League and FA Cup this season. Their historic achievement serves as a warning to rivals about how they can dominate.
And Man City could become an even more frightening opponent if they are able to strengthen their squad further this summer with new signings.
According to the Daily Telegraph, the summer transfer budget at the Etihad Stadium this year could be in the region of £300m.
By winning the Premier League, they earned £180m. Champions League glory has added another £110m to their winnings, while their FA Cup victory was worth £4m.
Furthermore, Man City could raise funds by selling players this summer, just like they did last year. The report reminds that Bernardo Silva, Aymeric Laporte, Riyad Mahrez and Joao Cancelo could all be sold, while Ilkay Gundogan might leave on a free transfer at the end of his contract.
In turn, Man City might be able to regenerate the squad at Pep Guardiola’s disposal. Areas they are thinking of investing in include centre-back and midfield.[/article]
The answer is maybe he would have won more and no, I don’t think the value of the club would have been significantly different.
That’s an example of a Jiurnalist who either clearly doesn’t understand what he’s talking about or is happy to write fiction to sensationalise a non-story.
For a start - City’s income won’t be “that” much more than last season - as the EPL money would be the same, the FA Cup is a pittance and the additional they’ll have received from winning the CL as opposed to going out in the semis will be more but likely £20m- £30m more.
Where they can spend money is - they made a reasonably large net profit last year and they’ll have players they can sell for good money - Cancello, Laporte & Phillips for example - so in theory they could go on a whopping big spending spree.. and are you ready for this Moron… not require any additional money from owners and meet FFP requirements.
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