If we do sign a goalscoring striker we'll probably want to change from the 4-3-3 that Klopp has preferred in his time here.
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So what we need is 10 goals more and we would be walking around in heaven?
It was a hypothetical question, IF, if that was the scenario, I can guarantee you that we would have that discussion.
I think everyone on here agrees that we'll sign a striker this summer. We need one given Sturridge and Ings situation.
But I dont agree that this is were our biggest problem lies, or if that is the area were we need to spend the most money.
There are other more pressing needs.
It can be dressed up however you like it with 2 players that score goals, 3, 4 etc but the fact of the matter is that we've scored the most goals in the league. And only finished 4 league games without scoring a goal. We average over 2 goals per game so far. That is higher than any other team managed for the entire season last year and close to what the highest scoring team managed the year before that.
Goals arent a problem. Conceding 50 last season and 40 so far this season is, and we wont stand a chance of winning the league without having a better defense.
If goals are a problem. When will we be satisfied? 2,3 goals per game? 2,5? Goal scoring record in the league?
Hopefully we'll spend most of our money on a top quality CB, midfielder, left back and a winger/forward.
If we spend our entire summer searching for a top quality striker and neglecting the other areas we wont improve much next season, in my opinion.
We'll sign a striker, but it wont be some 50-60 mill £ striker that some seem to want. It will be someone in the Firmino mould so that we dont have to change our set up with how Klopp wants us to play. But I agree that our striker should be just that, a striker, and have some goalscoring pedigree and history. Hopefully we'll be able to find a good deal during the summer.
And/or we could get someone who can be a proper set piece specialist, or who can help us devise an array of effective tricks when it comes to them. Sometimes better defence just beats better offence in open play, but corners and especially direct free kicks can neutralize or weaken the effect of parked bus defences - and we often get shit loads of these against parked bus teams. We just keep wasting them with some proper shit setpieces, either because the attempt or delivery is crap, or we simply lack imagination in what we do with the ball.
Nor does buying a 20 goal a season mean we will score more goals as some are arguing.
How many 20 plus season strikers are out there for under £40m?
Look at all the discussions we have, we talk about strikers and mention very few names.
Dholberg is one for the future, he is not scoring 20 plus if we get him.
Look at all the discussions we have, we talk about strikers and mention very few names.
Dholberg is one for the future, he is not scoring 20 plus if we get him.
You are wrong here. Brendan hates Firmino.... he is desperate to get rid. Which is of course fine. But he hates him so much that he would probably Firmino screw up a chance of scoring his 15th goal and Liverpool miss CL on that miss rather than he scored.... that would in a weird way prove he was right....
Why is under 40m our limit? Crystal Palace paid 28 rising to 32million for a striker this season.
Having one of the top scorers in your team statistically increases the likelihood of your team winning the title.
We've done the maths on this, and it's quite clear. That's why I want one.
Fuck me, you are almost incomprehensible
Statistically 100% of the other teams have scored less than us. In the same statistics 10% is above us on the table. On a sidenote your stats are 100% guessing and bs...
I am 100% right
No they aren't. They're based on the league champions over the last 15 years.
I've done all the work and calculations already. I'm not repeating them for the likes of you.
Let's say our net budget is £100m, and seeing that we need to improve elsewhere £40m sounds like a decent figure.
It's a shame that some of the more balanced and well reasoned posts have been largely ignored.
In particular, the point about balancing our attacking game with our defensive game, which could open up quite a rich debate.
Instead we end up with what is essentially a "50M player in position X would be better than buying a 50M player in position Y" argument.
In particular, the point about balancing our attacking game with our defensive game, which could open up quite a rich debate.
Instead we end up with what is essentially a "50M player in position X would be better than buying a 50M player in position Y" argument.
I'll not bother spending too much energy on it but it is bs and you must be a total retard to buy into it which you are not.
95 % of the teams will not win the PL.
70% of the teams with a person scoring more than our toppscorer is behind us.
50% of the teams ahead of us with a toppscorer scoring more than Firmino will not win PL.
And we can go on. It doesn't make any sense how much you try back bullshit up with "facts". You'll find a fact proving everything and with 100 mill variables it doesn't matter.
You hate Firmino is 100% correct, which is fine. Stand by it like a man instead of trying to find bullshit "facts" to prove it.
Oh dear
Agreed, it's quite interesting, but perhaps it doesn't belong in this thread? Dunno.
We've touched on the potential problems with Klopp's style and the need for improving the balance between furious attack and calm game management in a couple of threads over the last few months, not least the fantastic "Eye Of The Storm - Craving Serenity" post I wrote.
Most of the brighter posters know that the conversation about the value of a genuinely quality finisher is intrinsically linked to this. Those games where you have to kill the atmosphere, control the tempo and manage the game. To grind out those narrow 1-0 wins, where chances are few, you need a clinical striker to take them.
It's nothing complicated.
"Yeah but we're the top goalscorers!" bleat bleat bleat.
So fucking what. You've missed the point. We score lots of goals because we make lots of chances. We HAVE to make lots of chances, because we miss lots of chances.
So we have no fucking choice. And that's the ENTIRE CRUX of the matter.
That frenzied all out attack mode is a massive contributory factor to the appalling amount of goals we concede, and the amount of absurd fucking 4, 5, 6 and 7 goal "thrillers" we have won, drawn and lost under Klopp.
You can't win the league playing like that. I made the same point when Rodgers came close, but it was all "who cares if we win 1-0 or 3-2?!" by the usual boss-eyed divvies. Teams who concede 50+ goals don't win titles.
So yeah, we need a better defence. Yeah, we need a proper DM. Yeah, we need to get a better balance between attack and defence, and sometimes - quite often - we need to be able to win 1-0 and score from our only chance. So yeah, we need a genuinely top quality finisher.
The End.
Because we should be spending big money on more pressing concerns. Throwing northwards of £40m on a striker is crazy talk when we leak so many goals while scoring plenty. .
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The issue (for me) is not that we play an all out gungho attacking game which inhibits our ability to defend, it's more that some of the people charged with defending are not good enough. Which is why (again, for me) there is a decent argument that the big money should go to shoring up our defensive minded positions.
If we raise 40m in sales, then we have 140m to spend. 70m on a forward leaves 70 for other positions.
Do your sums for the players you want for the positions we need and tell me what you get? Bench warmers cost £20m
So a top quality finisher will automatically fix this? Turning tight games into 1-0 wins?
Its never occurred to you that we create the number of chances we do based on how the front 3, and 5-6 for that matter, compliment each other?
For the last two seasons we've actually played better without our two most prolific, quality finishers, based on scoring records and their qualities alone.
Just because they dont offer the same to our general attacking play and we as a team create less chances as a result.
We need a new striker. Everyone agrees with that. Everyone. But its even more important that he fits in with our set up and Klopps plan and tactical approach.
If we just go out looking for your top quality finisher without considering this, then we wont improve as a team.
So, seeing as we can be labelled a success this season when it comes to goals scored and our attacking play. Our new striker need to have some of the same qualities as Firmino, but also a more proven goal scoring pedigree. And I think we'll have to compromise somewhat to get someone who fill both criteria.
Meaning we might find a player that can contribute with the 15 goals we thought Sturridge would add this season.
That should also be more than enough given we need to spend rather big on fixing our other more pressing needs.
Turning tight games into 1-0 wins and taking the step up to become contenders warrants much more than a top quality finisher.
Getting the defensive balance right and getting back a spine throughout the team that can dominate games will improve us much more.
Well I only want about four players. Keita= 50m Shit-hot forward= 60m; CB- 30m; Young sexy LB- 15m.
That'll do.
We need a winger aswell though. Missing Mane has really hurt us and our attacking play.
I'd love Keita and van Dijk. Winger and striker, I've got no clue.
Sessegnon look set to be that left back, possibly.
That's why I say forward rather than striker. I think with the front 3 we need players who can score from all front 3 positions rather than a goal-hanger. So another Mane would do me. With a front 3 we don't really play with wingers. All our front 3 end up in central positions. I'd like someone who is clinical as fuck but can play anywhere along the front 3. Not too much to ask.
Agreed. If possible someone who has a bit of Firmino and Mane. I was about to type on the previous post that maybe it could be the same player for two positions. Our interest in Brandt and Oxlade might rule that out mind.
We'll fall well short next season if that's all we get. We are working on a minimal squad now and struggled. Imagine next season if we qualify for the CL group stages and have any sort of cup run too. With 3-4 out of the door we'll need 8-10 'good to absolute quality' players inbound.
Aren't the Brandt rumours still alive and kicking ?
Sessegnon is only 17, no way is he going to be our first choice LB.
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