How does it work? Do you arseholes have a separate arsehole or do you shit through yourself?
Firminio doesn't need to up his goal tally..
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How does it work? Do you arseholes have a separate arsehole or do you shit through yourself?
And anyone with an iota of common sense would also make allowances* for the decline post Xmas due to injuries, squad depth and AFCON. Unless they have an agenda of course.
*Unless you're retarded
Actually if you look at PL winners it's a combination. Almost always one of, if not the, top scorers but also a strong defence. We need to improve in both areas.
You also certainly can't ignore that Everton scored 16 goals less than us and finished 7th. Because they geared their game to feeding Lukaku. Their next highest scorers being Barkley on 6 and then Coleman on 4 !!
We were one of the top scorers, Frogfish.
4th highest and as I said that's not good enough.
Not good enough for what?
I thought we were talking about winning the PL !
We need to improve... I all departments. But we are improving. And thats good.
Oh, ok.
I actually probably don't agree. I think if we shore up the defence properly and still score 78 goals next season, we'll go very close to winning the league next season.
But, maybe, as someone pointed out above, our defence will always be somewhat porous due to high pressing nature of our game. So maybe we do need to score 90+ goals.
You don't agree that a majority of the time the league winners are in the too 2 of scoring goals?
We need more goals regardless of if we shore up the defence, because there were times we still struggled for goals.
My point is and always has been that we need to fix our defence first.
Obviously I wouldn't fucking moan if we scored more goals. That'd be great.
The defence is worrying because we have only signed one player in that department so far and he's a back-up left back. That will help a bit so we don't have to run Milner into the ground while Moreno was the only option, but it doesn't detract from the fact that our defence let us down countless times last year, particularly against the weaker sides.
All reports are that we are putting all of our eggs in the VVD basket so if we don't sign him then we are working with the same players who proved inadequate last year. Selling Lucas arguably strengthens us so we won't have the temptation to throw him into the mix again with the same disastrous results. And maybe Gomez is more likely to have recovered from his injuries and will become a useful deputy. But otherwise we have Matip & Lovren who both missed plenty of games through injury last year and Klavan who, after a bright start, was caught out on several occasions, lost confidence and ended up looking weak and indecisive.
That gloomy summary doesn't even take account of the goalkeeping situation which is far from ideal either.
So basically, we have to hope and pray that VVD comes in because if not, we will be in the same boat as last year, shitting ourselves every time the opposition cross the halfway line and closing our eyes on every setpiece.
All reports are that we are putting all of our eggs in the VVD basket so if we don't sign him then we are working with the same players who proved inadequate last year. Selling Lucas arguably strengthens us so we won't have the temptation to throw him into the mix again with the same disastrous results. And maybe Gomez is more likely to have recovered from his injuries and will become a useful deputy. But otherwise we have Matip & Lovren who both missed plenty of games through injury last year and Klavan who, after a bright start, was caught out on several occasions, lost confidence and ended up looking weak and indecisive.
That gloomy summary doesn't even take account of the goalkeeping situation which is far from ideal either.
So basically, we have to hope and pray that VVD comes in because if not, we will be in the same boat as last year, shitting ourselves every time the opposition cross the halfway line and closing our eyes on every setpiece.
Yes you can, because their attacking players were Miralles, Delafeu and Aaron Lennon.
Ours are Mane, Coutinho and Lallana.
Thats a stupid argument.
Sprints and distance covered are ridiculous stats to assess wether a striker is good.
Goals and assists.
They are the striking stats that matter.
The modern trend to find ANY statistics to back up a theory is fucking bollocks.
I bet you can find stats that would make ANY player look amazing.
Certainly every time we are linked to someone there seems to be a photo sayin 3rd in Europe for X, 2nd in Europe for Y, Only Messi and Ronaldo have done more of a certain thing than this player.
Its all crap.
Watch the games, tells you all you need to know.
That is Firmino is a cracking footballer. But not a striker. We need one of those if we want to win the league.
Last 4 seasons
Costa with Chelsea
Vardy with Leicester
Costa with Chelsea
Aguero with City
Who was the last team to win the league without a striker scoring 15+, and how many times has the league been won by such a team?
We need one, and how far Firmino runs wont change that.
I've done all this research before. The answer is "hardly fucking ever"
The important stat is how many teams are scoring and - probably more importantly - conceding. There are a fuck load of players who have scored 15+ in a season and their teams have come nowhere near winning the league. I'd say a more accurate representation would probably be the second and third highest scorers in a title winning side, and what their tallies are. Title winning sides generally score from everywhere.
No. The important stat is what wins leagues?
Do teams who DO NOT have a prolific striker win leagues? Yes or fucking no?
We win the running tho.....zzzzzz
And the 'prolific' yardstick is now what? 15 goals? It was 20 up until not so long ago.
This it's that a majority of league winners have a 20 goal a season striker, whereas all league winners have a striker who scores at least 15.
I'll reply to your post above that deserves a proper comment later - I'm a little busy at the moment. However to answer your question (which I have in fact covered last season with all the stats, during the many debates on this subject) is roughly (can't remember off-hand) about 25%. So not only is it not impossible but it's not infrequent - however we need to balance that fact with another, it hasn't been the case recently.
I have no idea. Go back and check how many goals the top scorer scored for each team that won the premier league.
Im done with this debate.
Fucking 'sprints'
They each got 7 in the league according to stats I've seen elsewhere.
So what's your fucking point. That Klopp doesn't know how to build a team that can win the league? Klopp will use Firmino thats for sure.... so your argument is basically to replace Klopp then we can get rid of Firmino and possibly get a 15 + prolific striker to build the team around.?
I really like the very little I've seen of him but thats a big shout
No im saying we wont win the league without a proper striker.
But we will run loads
I don't think we'll win the league ether but we definitely will score enough goals to. We scored more last season than the previous two seasons' winners. And I think we'll be more potent this season.
First of all you'r not saying anything... you're Moaning like a bitch.
Second of all you're moaning without a point... so do you believe Klopp is the right man to bring back the title to Anfield? If "yes" your moaning is pathetic. If "no" who do you want instead?
He might be if he had the right people around him to build the squad.
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