Financial Fair Play

[Hansern]

From a French football journo.

L'Equipe are reporting that PSG will be hit with a salary cap, transfer limit, UCL squad limit and a fine of 60 mill euros over 3 years for FFP sanctions.

In short, PSG must now sell to buy. Wage bill must be cut, €60m limit on future moves, UCL squad size limit of 21 & a fine to pay. L'Equipe: Final agreement must be reached with PSG, who can appeal. If they do, they risk a more severe punishment

If this is how it pans out then all hope is not lost over how FFP will affect football.
Man City are due for their punishment later this week or early next.

 

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Martyn Ziegler ‏@martynziegler 27m
Man City's FFP sanctions: 21-man CL squad instead of 25; 60m euro fine over 3 years; no rise in CL squad wage bill allowed. Same as for PSG.

Martyn Ziegler ‏@martynziegler 28m
Sanctions are part of settlement offer from UEFA - Man City still long way from agreeing, have until end of the week.

 

[cloggypop]

Martyn Ziegler ‏@martynziegler 1m
Man City's proposed FFP sanctions, full story: http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/city-facing-uefa-sanctions-over-squad-size-629704.html …

 

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Tuesday, May 06, 2014 - 10:36 AM

Manchester City are facing UEFA sanctions for breaching financial fair play rules which would see the club limited to a 21-man Champions League squad instead of the usual 25 players next season, it can be disclosed.
City, who are still strongly challenging the settlement offer from UEFA, are also facing a fine in the region of €60m over three years, and a cap imposed for next season to ensure there is no rise on this season’s Champions League A squad wage bill.
The reduction in the size of the Champions League squad to 21 would potentially hit the club hardest, and City would also have to ensure that there are still eight locally-trained players in that A squad.
Press Association Sport understands the sanctions are very similar to those being handed to Paris Saint Germain – the two clubs are among nine European sides being dealt with by UEFA’s club financial control board (CFCB) for FFP breaches.
City have until the end of the week to reach an agreement with UEFA over the sanctions – but it is understood they are the club furthest away from reaching any final settlement.
If no agreement is reached City face the prospect of the case being handed to a panel for a non-negotiable decision.
Neither City nor UEFA would comment but it is understood the Manchester club have been negotiating forcefully for a significant reduction in that sanction but have been struggling to make progress.
The risk, however, is that if they are unable to agree a deal with UEFA then they could face even stiffer sanctions from the CFCB’s adjudicatory panel.
No club is expected to be excluded from the Champions League for breaching the spending limits, the maximum possible sanction – UEFA president Michel Platini said last month he does not envisage that to happen.
Both Manchester City and Paris St Germain are believed to have fallen foul of the FFP rules with sponsorship deals related to each clubs’ owners.
Abu Dhabi-owned City have a £40million a year deal with Etihad airways, while Qatar-owned PSG have a back-dated deal with the Qatar Tourist Authority (QTA) which is worth up to €200m a year.
French newspaper L’Equipe has reported that UEFA has ruled the QTA deal should only be valued at half that sum.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...ng-uefa-sanctions-over-squad-size-629704.html

 

[hamstrung_pigeon]

Considering PSG used only 22 players in the CL this season, I think that bit will hurt them a lot when they've got to drop one of the guys. 😉

Man City played 21 guys.

 

[cloggypop]

Considering PSG used only 22 players in the CL this season, I think that bit will hurt them a lot when they've got to drop one of the guys. 😉

Man City played 21 guys.

Were 8 of them locally trained?

 

[Vlads Quiff]

City have been now been fined £50 and told to cut CL squad. It's a start I suppose

 

[hamstrung_pigeon]

Were 8 of them locally trained?

City: Hart, Rodwell, Milner, Lescott, Richards. I think Clichy and Boyata count?

One player with the squad who didn't play was Emyr Huws.

 

[refugee]

Do fines effect the financial fair play calculations? Or is there an exemption, similar to stadium costs?

 

[Frogfish]

It could also hit transfer targets - who would want to go to PSG or City if they thought there was a chance they would not make the 21 ? Let's not forget these clubs have huge squads of quality players and must still fill their other local player quotas.

 

[Frogfish]

City: Hart, Rodwell, Milner, Lescott, Richards. I think Clichy and Boyata count?

One player with the squad who didn't play was Emyr Huws.

Talk of Rodwell, Milner, Lescott and Richards all leaving this Summer.

 

[Mors]

Ooooo harsh harsh. A reduction in their champions league squad size by 1 player over the amount they used this year, and a 20mill fine per year, which is probably equal to zlatan's wages, for owners injecting 100's of millions into the club. That'll show them, they wont dare do that again.

 

[OLD_Lewy]

better than nothing i guess, still pretty jarg tho

 

[Mystic]

I want to know where that money is going. It should be invested in grass root football in England and France, it would make the world of difference. Instead it'll probably be Platini's bonus.

 

[cloggypop]

Do fines effect the financial fair play calculations? Or is there an exemption, similar to stadium costs?

Martyn Ziegler ‏@martynziegler 40m
Also: any FFP fines will not count as part of losses for future FFP calculations, so can be paid directly by owners.

 

[cloggypop]

I want to know where that money is going. It should be invested in grass root football in England and France, it would make the world of difference. Instead it'll probably be Platini's bonus.

Martyn Ziegler ‏@martynziegler 57m
Have asked UEFA what happens to the money from any FFP fines. "Still to be decided" is the answer.

 

[refugee]

Martyn Ziegler ‏@martynziegler 40m
Also: any FFP fines will not count as part of losses for future FFP calculations, so can be paid directly by owners.

Cheers Cloggy.

So UEFA get themselves a nice bonus, and City carry on as normal. Great.

 

[Mystic]

Martyn Ziegler ‏@martynziegler 57m
Have asked UEFA what happens to the money from any FFP fines. "Still to be decided" is the answer.

Pathetic, if that money goes towards anything other than grass roots football in the country of the guilty party, or charity, then it's an absolute farce.

 

[Hansern]

The transfer limit and salary cap is a good start mind.

 

[6TimesaRed]

The still have to fill their criteria of 8 locally trained/ home grown...

 

[SummerOnions]

everyone should go fill up on petrol before the new prices kick in

 

[King Binny]

In the long run, when the no. of such clubs swell, will they opt out and form their own super league type of tournament (using the money that's supposed to pay for the fine)?

 

[localny]

Fines are going to charity right?

 

[Vlads Quiff]

I must say it's more punitive than I imagined, it must sting a bit, but £50m is a drop in the ocean to the Arabs. It should also be a double whammy and count towards their FFP budget and be more focused on player and transfer restrictions
Regards

 

[Mystic]

It would wouldn't it? Its an expense of the club after all?

 

[Mors]

I've just read it again on the bbc, and this time I'm reading it that the 50mill fine will be deducted from any champions league money over a 3yr period? So in theory, this impacts the finances going forwards for future periods. Earlier it was mentioned that the fines would be outside the scope of any future FFP calculations.
If that's the case, about 16mill a year off their champions league income, and I think a run to the knockout stages is worth about 30mill, so it halves it.

 

[dmishra]

Hmm, I don't know what the gravity of the violation is, but objectively speaking, it does seem punitive and not a complete piss-take that we're so used to the FA dishing out.

 

[juniormember]

Getting 8 home grown players into the 21 will be the toughest sanction for both sides.
With the players that are leaving City, thy've got a problem, and clubs in england will be taking the piss with prices of players as they'll know how desperate City will be.

 

[6TimesaRed]

IMHO UEFA should consider putting David Moyes in charge of the offending team for 12 months... would be a worthwhile punishment...

 

[peterhague]

Better than expected. Will hopefully put the brakes on City a bit, not so much these sanctions themselves but the threat of more to come now that they've shown they're serious about this.