Fabio Carvahlo

[keniget]

It's know it's kinda early to be asking the question, but here it goes:

Does he have a future at Liverpool? If so, in what position?

I was quite excited by his signing given the comparisons to Coutinho (who I loved during his time here) but now that he's here, I'm genuinly struggling to work out why we signed him.

He's shown some glimpses of his talent but ultimately I don't see Klopp preferring an attacking midfielder type in the LF position over a pacey goal scoring forward. We were already overloaded with options in that position and seeing Gakpo come in must have been a kick in the nuts for him.

There is the option of midfield but given the shit we're in and the fact that he struggles with the physical aspect of the game even out in the left, it just seems like a complete non-starter.

If I were him, I'd be looking at the season Fulham are having and ruing my decision to leave.

The new Minamino / Shaqiri.

 

[MomoWASright]

I think it’s a strange signing. He has talent, however, we’ve signed a player we have no idea to use. Which goes back to our dreadful transfer planning. His strengths don’t suit our style and where he could play, there are superior players which means he won’t get game time to develop.

 

[Hansern]

I think its way to early to tell and I think you cant compare him to those two players.
Carvalho was bought at 19 and seen as a prospect for the future. He's looked good in some games and off the pace in other, all natural for a young player.

Minamino and Shaqiri was 24/26 when we bought them and in another place in their career.

He's a player with all the right qualities to develop, young and someone for the future. The problem for him and us is that we dont know what his best position is, and that may be what stops his career with us in the end. But Klopp surely has a long term plan you'd hope.

 

[mark1975]

There were rumours the other day that he could be heading back to Fulham on loan. I like him, but he's way too lightweight at the minute, same with Elliott at times. I think both have (unfortunately for them) stepped into the team at the wrong time, when we're all over the place and the support isn't there for them to develop.

 

[keniget]

I think its way to early to tell and I think you cant compare him to those two players.
Carvalho was bought at 19 and seen as a prospect for the future. He's looked good in some games and off the pace in other, all natural for a young player.

Minamino and Shaqiri was 24/26 when we bought them and in another place in their career.

He's a player with all the right qualities to develop, young and someone for the future. The problem for him and us is that we dont know what his best position is, and that may be what stops his career with us in the end. But Klopp surely has a long term plan you'd hope.

He needs significant game time to develop. Do you think he'll get that here?

I just don't see it.

I made this thread more with him in mind than LFC. I hate seeing young players waste away on the bench.

 

[Frogfish]

The fact that we've just signed Gakpo tells a story IMO. I loved the Carvalho signing but if he was pulling up trees (even if just in training) then I doubt we would have bought Gakpo. His chances of getting any pitch time (when Diaz and Jota are fit) are negligible and I doubt he'll even make the squad.

He surely has to go out on loan for a season. I can't see him making it though if I'm honest. Pity and hope I'm wrong.

 

[bluebell]

@King Binny or anyone else, has any one got stats on Fabio for the reserves or U21?

 

[Modo]

Exactly, the only thing that worried me about Carvalho was his size. He really needs to get stronger and bigger. It's gonna take time though and I'm not sure he will be offered that time at LFC.

 

[mark1975]

Exactly, the only thing that worried me about Carvalho was his size. He really needs to get stronger and bigger. It's gonna take time though and I'm not sure he will be offered that time at LFC.

He needs a loan spell. I think we thought on the back of the last season with Fulham that he might be able to step up. He's scored goals and showed he can make some difference, but he's also been bullied out of games and reacted badly at times because of it. He needs another season playing at a high level, it won't happen here with the depth of players we have on the left, so it makes sense to go out on loan.

 

[Modo]

He needs a loan spell. I think we thought on the back of the last season with Fulham that he might be able to step up. He's scored goals and showed he can make some difference, but he's also been bullied out of games and reacted badly at times because of it. He needs another season playing at a high level, it won't happen here with the depth of players we have on the left, so it makes sense to go out on loan.

He's an attacking midfielder, I saw that straight away. Same with Elliott.
They need to play behind the striker, like Luis Garcia did. As others have mentioned, they don't have the pace to play on the wing in the way we need them to play.

 

[mark1975]

He's an attacking midfielder, I saw that straight away. Same with Elliott.
They need to play behind the striker, like Luis Garcia did. As others have mentioned, they don't have the pace to play on the wing in the way we need them to play.

Yeah I agree, but they don't quite have that quality that we normally have in a midfield position, even in an advanced role, Klopp still likes players who are difficult to get beyond, neither of them have the physique or stamina to offer that at the minute.

 

[Squiggles]

The club really has no choice but to loan him once Jota, Diaz and Gakpo are back, or January if a decent one opens up for him.

I don't know where he fits in long-term, either TBH. LWF seems the most likely, but he's going to have to develop quickly and significantly for Klopp to sacrifice having a pacey and strong wide-man there on any regular basis. The fact we've let the foundations of the team rot away has been detrimental to our ability to develop talent. It's not a completely wasted year - he needs to understand the theory of how we play and what Klopp wants at some point, however a PL loan move this January or next year is going to be crucial for Fabio.

I think Elliott has shown that he's ready to feature and support the first team when the conditions / opposition are right. He's worth keeping around next year, IMO.

 

[peekay]

It's know it's kinda early to be asking the question, but here it goes:

Does he have a future at Liverpool? If so, in what position?

I was quite excited by his signing given the comparisons to Coutinho (who I loved during his time here) but now that he's here, I'm genuinly struggling to work out why we signed him.

He's shown some glimpses of his talent but ultimately I don't see Klopp preferring an attacking midfielder type in the LF position over a pacey goal scoring forward. We were already overloaded with options in that position and seeing Gakpo come in must have been a kick in the nuts for him.

There is the option of midfield but given the shit we're in and the fact that he struggles with the physical aspect of the game even out in the left, it just seems like a complete non-starter.

If I were him, I'd be looking at the season Fulham are having and ruing my decision to leave.

The new Minamino / Shaqiri.

The Coutinho comparison always made me nervous. Even when Carvalho signed, I pointed out here that Coutinho was different level in terms of skill, tricks, ability on the ball, etc.

I think once our team settles, there will be a role for Carvalho. Klopp doesn't give up on talented youngsters. It is difficult to evaluate youngsters in a team without identity unless the youngster is precociously talented and physically ready like Owen, Fowler, etc. But I will be pleasantly surprised if he turns out to be half as good as Countinho (not an insult, as I really rated Coutinho).

 

[Buddha]

The new Minamino / Shaqiri.

Fwiw, I’m more concerned about Elliott in the longer term (though I agree Carvalho needs a loan).

I said a while back that, age aside, Elliott reminds me of Shaqiri and if anything I’m even more convinced of late. He’s got bundles of natural ability but is so one paced and one footed that I can’t see him ever being a regular in a side challenging for regular honours.

Carvalho needs to strengthen and looks very raw at times, but in the longer term I think he carries a higher goal threat and potential.

 

[Modo]

Fwiw, I’m more concerned about Elliott in the longer term (though I agree Carvalho needs a loan).

I said a while back that, age aside, Elliott reminds me of Shaqiri and if anything I’m even more convinced of late. He’s got bundles of natural ability but is so one paced and one footed that I can’t see him ever being a regular in a side challenging for regular honours.

Carvalho needs to strengthen and looks very raw at times, but in the longer term I think he carries a higher goal threat and potential.

He might remind you of Shaqiri, but Shaq had a lot more to his game even at Elliott's age.

 

[Fabio]

He might remind you of Shaqiri, but Shaq had a lot more to his game even at Elliott's age.

I do wonder whether that's because Shaq was given license to do whatever the fuck he liked and was a chonk. Elliott is hamstrung by how klopp wants the team to play, and is lightweight

 

[MomoWASright]

He might remind you of Shaqiri, but Shaq had a lot more to his game even at Elliott's age.

It helps when you’ve been on the juice for 3 years.

 

[Modo]

I do wonder whether that's because Shaq was given license to do whatever the fuck he liked and was a chonk. Elliott is hamstrung by how klopp wants the team to play, and is lightweight

That's possible, but Elliott is failing at the basics.

 

[Hansern]

Depends on what the plan is going forward. Maybe the 4-3-3 has done its job and a change to 4-2-3-1 could be on the cards. If so the role behind the striker is perfect for Carvalho.

 

[binomial]

He's shown some glimpses of his talent but ultimately I don't see Klopp preferring an attacking midfielder type in the LF position over a pacey goal scoring forward. We were already overloaded with options in that position and seeing Gakpo come in must have been a kick in the nuts for him.

Yep, this is where the issue lies.

But what did Klopp expect from a 19 year old coming from the championship.....or more to the point what did the fans expect? For him to slot in straight away, and us having a different conversation about him today about how easy he's made it look getting 10 goals and 10 assists?

Fans have completely lost their patience, he needs time to be bedded in.....by time I mean at least 2 years.

As Hansern said, he's one for the future....so let's reserve judgement until then.

 

[King Binny]

@King Binny or anyone else, has any one got stats on Fabio for the reserves or U21?

Only featured in 1 game, against Leicester, back in Sep 2022.

Wasn't one of the advantage of signing him due to his homegrown status? Due to the impressive season he enjoyed with Fulham before coming to us, it's easy to overlook that it was his first full one as a professional player. We would have been in a position to loan (/consider loaning) him out had it not been all the injuries and blips we suffered. Ideally, he would be coming on when the pts are in the bag.

On a sidenote, regarding physicality, isn't the Championship supposed to be pretty "tough"/physical?

 

[Fabio]

That's possible, but Elliott is failing at the basics.

True, but when he broke through he wasn't; it makes me think it's more fatigue and confidence issues, rather than ability.

 

[tomasjj]

Both him and Elliott are best suited as one of the three behind a striker in a 4231.

 

[Modo]

True, but when he broke through he wasn't; it makes me think it's more fatigue and confidence issues, rather than ability.

Could be

 

[The Nomad]

Both him and Elliott are best suited as one of the three behind a striker in a 4231.

This.. we all called for it in the summer but Klopp being stubborn as usual refused to adopt a plan B

 

[RedStar]

Under Klopp the only viable option for Carvahlo would be in the role Bobby plays which is nominally a false 9 but sometimes ends up as an attacking mid.

Way too early to have major concerns about him. I do think our policy of signing talented players who don't really fit anywhere in our set up is asking for trouble long term.

 

[MomoWASright]

Under Klopp the only viable option for Carvahlo would be in the role Bobby plays which is nominally a false 9 but sometimes ends up as an attacking mid.

Way too early to have major concerns about him. I do think our policy of signing talented players who don't really fit anywhere in our set up is asking for trouble long term.

It is indicative of our whole transfer policy since we got Fabinho/Ali/Salah/Mané. Since then we’ve bought nothing which fits a long term strategy.

 

[Fabio]

Shit again today, and he doesn't get a look in.

We've fucked up

 

[Red Bird]

Shit again today, and he doesn't get a look in.

We've fucked up

We’re fcuking up. There’s an argument out there that he’s easily muscled off the ball …. as opposed, I suppose, to just giving the ball away and frequently too.

 

[moron]

We’re fcuking up. There’s an argument out there that he’s easily muscled off the ball …. as opposed, I suppose, to just giving the ball away and frequently too.

its not an argument - its happened so many times in the few games he has played in, happened a lot in the game against Everton, and Man City (cup game).