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dmishra said:
Tbf, Reddy and Pearce don't get any scoops any more. Unless it's a very public pursuit, most of the journos aren't really clued in.

We were told for the most of June that Thuram was our target, and Szoboszlai suddenly arrived out of nowhere.
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Agreed, as if they've been provided a list from someone at the club. Nah...
We're probably looking at a player that no one in the press has been talking about.
 
Woland said:
Philips is definitely good enough.
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27, had a year out due to a recurring fatness, would probably cost north of 35m.

I cannot see the positives. I don't know whether he just fell off the wagon when he left Leeds, but whatever he had I don't know if it's still there
 
Fabio said:
27, had a year out due to a recurring fatness, would probably cost north of 35m.

I cannot see the positives. I don't know whether he just fell off the wagon when he left Leeds, but whatever he had I don't know if it's still there
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He got injured when he moved to city and then didn’t get a look in because Rodri stayed fit. The weight thing you can hang on Pep being a bit of a wanker

should stress I’m not promoting him as the best option, just not dismissing the idea
 
the count said:
Both Reedy and Pearce with the same list of players to replace Fabs so they have obviously been briefed by the club.
None of the players come close to peak Fabinho which is what we need.
I hope we are actually looking around for some one better and not someone cheap.
I assume we are not interested in Caicedo because of his price tag.
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The Szobo transfer just showed we work on names not briefed to the journos. I dont think that list from Pearce is what we are looking at.
 
Fabio said:
I would sooner take a gamble on a 19 year old lavia, than a 27 year old phillips.
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I think I’m with you, but I do worry about the home grown situation over the next couple of seasons, particularly if Hendo goes.
 
Dee said:
I don’t see how you can’t equate Florentino Luis and Lavia - both have just one good season under their belt.
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Luis is 23 and has been in Benfica's first team for 2 years now, with more than 80 games under his belt. Last season, he clocked 3800 minutes, which is an impressive workload, and is statistically one of the best young DMs in Europe, and is now in his physical prime. There's a risk of course given that he's playing in a lesser league, but after Tchouameni and Caicedo, he'd be my favourite option.

Lavia is just 19. He may indeed be a very good prospect, but very players are ready for the physical demands of first team football (3000 + minutes) before they hit their physical prime (typically between ages 21-27). And that's not even counting the experience and understanding of the game you need to play the 6 at a high level.
 
Can someone break down the whole homegrown deal again? Is it for the PL or Europe?
 
dmishra said:
Luis is 23 and has been in Benfica's first team for 2 years now, with more than 80 games under his belt. Last season, he clocked 3800 minutes, which is an impressive workload, and is statistically one of the best young DMs in Europe, and is now in his physical prime. There's a risk of course given that he's playing in a lesser league, but after Tchouameni and Caicedo, he'd be my favourite option.

Lavia is just 19. He may indeed be a very good prospect, but very players are ready for the physical demands of first team football (3000 + minutes) before they hit their physical prime (typically between ages 21-27). And that's not even counting the experience and understanding of the game you need to play the 6 at a high level.
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you sure about that? Wasn’t he on loans before last season and didn’t play much or am I get mixed up?
 
Transfermarkt says Florentino Luis was on loan to Monaco and Getafe prior to last season and his market value is €20m. That buy out clause is amazing!
 
Modo said:
Can someone break down the whole homegrown deal again? Is it for the PL or Europe?
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PL:

Max 17 foreign players
Rest need to be homegrown or u-21s.
You need to register squad of 25, so if you don't have enough HGs, you'll be forced to submit a shorter squad list (say 22 players). Of course, there's no limit on the number of u21s you can use.

Europe:
Max 17 foreign players
4 club-trained players (should be at club for 3 years before they hit 21)
4 association-trained players (should be at an English club for 3 years before they hit 21)
Again, your overall squad size gets reduced if you can't meet the HG quotas.

Practically, I think the issue isn't as bad as it is always made out to be. We rarely use more than 20-21 players a season, and the bulk of the minutes are taken about by about 15-18 players. The fringe minutes anyway go to u21s.

As long as you have about 5-6 HG players in the long-term, you're good. We have Kelleher, Trent, Gomez, Jones as all being club-trained. Elliott, Bajcetic and any other kids that come through will also be club-trained in the long term.

We might need to sign one good English player some time in the next couple of years, but otherwise we should be good.
 
Dee said:
you sure about that? Wasn’t he on loans before last season and didn’t play much or am I get mixed up?
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Yeah, I think you're right, but he'd played about 30 games for the Benfica first team before he went on loan. Just making the point that he's far more advanced in physical development than Lavia.
 
Modo said:
Can someone break down the whole homegrown deal again? Is it for the PL or Europe?
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Both cap the number of non- English (and Welsh) to 17 so leaving 8 spots for ‘home grown’ players. Definition is slightly different between uefa and EPL. European definition is anyone who has been trained by their club or by another club in the same national association for at least three years between the ages of 15 and 21.
 
Dee said:
Both cap the number of non- English (and Welsh) to 17 so leaving 8 spots for ‘home grown’ players. Definition is slightly different between uefa and EPL. European definition is anyone who has been trained by their club or by another club in the same national association for at least three years between the ages of 15 and 21.
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So Scottish players don't count as homegrown?
 
dmishra said:
PL:

Max 17 foreign players
Rest need to be homegrown or u-21s.
You need to register squad of 25, so if you don't have enough HGs, you'll be forced to submit a shorter squad list (say 22 players). Of course, there's no limit on the number of u21s you can use.

Europe:
Max 17 foreign players
4 club-trained players (should be at club for 3 years before they hit 21)
4 association-trained players (should be at an English club for 3 years before they hit 21)
Again, your overall squad size gets reduced if you can't meet the HG quotas.

Practically, I think the issue isn't as bad as it is always made out to be. We rarely use more than 20-21 players a season, and the bulk of the minutes are taken about by about 15-18 players. The fringe minutes anyway go to u21s.

As long as you have about 5-6 HG players in the long-term, you're good. We have Kelleher, Trent, Gomez, Jones as all being club-trained. Elliott, Bajcetic and any other kids that come through will also be club-trained in the long term.

We might need to sign one good English player some time in the next couple of years, but otherwise we should be good.
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Dee said:
Both cap the number of non- English (and Welsh) to 17 so leaving 8 spots for ‘home grown’ players. Definition is slightly different between uefa and EPL. European definition is anyone who has been trained by their club or by another club in the same national association for at least three years between the ages of 15 and 21.
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Sounds like we need to start producing more players...
 
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