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Why is Dani not making the bench these days?
[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=42903.msg1222931#msg1222931 date=1290549724]
Why is Dani not making the bench these days?
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Because Hodgson is a clueless fool who is freezing him out!
Why is Dani not making the bench these days?
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Because Hodgson is a clueless fool who is freezing him out!
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=42903.msg1222932#msg1222932 date=1290549815]
[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=42903.msg1222931#msg1222931 date=1290549724]
Why is Dani not making the bench these days?
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Because Hodgson is a clueless fool who is freezing him out!
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We're also turning him into a right winger
Allegedly
[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=42903.msg1222931#msg1222931 date=1290549724]
Why is Dani not making the bench these days?
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Because Hodgson is a clueless fool who is freezing him out!
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We're also turning him into a right winger
Allegedly
Apparently he overslept and was late for a reserve match, and Roy seems to think that eight first team games and counting, out of the first team squad, is a fitting punishment
I agree Roy has been a bit harsh on him and maybe hes using this as a way of asserting some authority in the squad but peoples reactions are often coloured by their opinion of the player in question
If Babel/Lucas had overslept and failed to turn up people would be demanding we let him rot in the reserves or get rid of him immediately, I think Hodgson had to make an example of Pacheco, a manager cant have reserve team players walking all over him but it has dragged on a bit now and its time to bring him in from the cold
If Babel/Lucas had overslept and failed to turn up people would be demanding we let him rot in the reserves or get rid of him immediately, I think Hodgson had to make an example of Pacheco, a manager cant have reserve team players walking all over him but it has dragged on a bit now and its time to bring him in from the cold
He really didn't have 'to make an example' of a reserve player and a young player who is actually pretty good to boot. Making an example is dropping him for a game or two maybe.
It was all supposed to be about Uncle Roy will put his arm around the players and explain shit to them and give them confidence and all that jazz. He seems to have upset quite a few players unfortunately.
It was all supposed to be about Uncle Roy will put his arm around the players and explain shit to them and give them confidence and all that jazz. He seems to have upset quite a few players unfortunately.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42903.msg1222961#msg1222961 date=1290555713]
I daresay we know about half a percent of what actually happened in this case.
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We certainly dont, but it would need to be very serious to be left out of the squad for so long.
I daresay we know about half a percent of what actually happened in this case.
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We certainly dont, but it would need to be very serious to be left out of the squad for so long.
Pacheco got a few chances earlier this season and wasn't very good.
Let's hope he keeps up his recent reserve (sorry spider, A team) form.
Let's hope he keeps up his recent reserve (sorry spider, A team) form.
Maybe Hodgson doesnt feel he is ready for the first team, we all have high hopes for him but on a day to day level maybe he just isnt mature enough , as the alledged oversleeping incident would imply. For now the best response for Dani is to keep up his level of performance at reserve level and wait for chances in the europa to show what he can do
Hodgsons biggest man management mistake was surely his handling of Johnsons battle to regain fitness/form having a go at him publicly, most people criticised by saying you wouldnt see a manager like Fergie doing that and I agree its not the way he should have handled it, so what do you think Fergies response to a young player being so lax about his commitment to the club would be? I certainly dont think he would get an arm round the shoulder, more like a boot up the arse
Hodgsons biggest man management mistake was surely his handling of Johnsons battle to regain fitness/form having a go at him publicly, most people criticised by saying you wouldnt see a manager like Fergie doing that and I agree its not the way he should have handled it, so what do you think Fergies response to a young player being so lax about his commitment to the club would be? I certainly dont think he would get an arm round the shoulder, more like a boot up the arse
If someone's shite, then after the manager has a go the player has his best game of the season, I wouldn't call it his 'worst mistake'.
Anyway, that's for another thread.
Anyway, that's for another thread.
"Biggest mistake" sorry
Without getting into the whole Johnson thing again I was only using it as an example to illustrate that it appears sometimes that Roy can do no right as most posters, myself included, felt he should have been old school and kept things in house when he dealt with Johnson. But when he deals with Pacheco in that old school manner he gets criticised for it
Should have been given more chances though, and Hodgsons approach with the B team and reserve players after the Northampton match pissed me off big time.
Pacehco wasn't very good, but he's young and needs time. And deserves more chances regardless of a bad game or two. If we lose him now because Roy has fucked it up, it will be extremely frustrating. He's a fantastic talent.
Pacehco wasn't very good, but he's young and needs time. And deserves more chances regardless of a bad game or two. If we lose him now because Roy has fucked it up, it will be extremely frustrating. He's a fantastic talent.
Noticed the official website match report mention that Pacheco played in the central role. Coincidence or decision not to fit square peg in a round hole?
Have always been curious about Gerardo Bruna, probably due to the raves he earned during his earlier days with us. Wonder how far he is from a first team appearance.
Have always been curious about Gerardo Bruna, probably due to the raves he earned during his earlier days with us. Wonder how far he is from a first team appearance.
[quote author=Binny link=topic=42903.msg1223029#msg1223029 date=1290583787]
Noticed the official website match report mention that Pacheco played in the central role. Coincidence or decision not to fit square peg in a round hole?
Have always been curious about Gerardo Bruna, probably due to the raves he earned during his earlier days with us. Wonder how far he is from a first team appearance.
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bruna is apparently almost guaranteed not to make it, by all accounts. mind you, that puts him in good company as long as hodgson's infesting the club.
Noticed the official website match report mention that Pacheco played in the central role. Coincidence or decision not to fit square peg in a round hole?
Have always been curious about Gerardo Bruna, probably due to the raves he earned during his earlier days with us. Wonder how far he is from a first team appearance.
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bruna is apparently almost guaranteed not to make it, by all accounts. mind you, that puts him in good company as long as hodgson's infesting the club.
You do have to wonder about the youth/reserve set up at times in light of the rave reviews our youngsters get. We seem to buy top young players from here and overseas yet so few make any impact with the first team, some after being really impressive as youngsters like Mellor and Spearing, others like Pongolle and Nemeth as some of the most sought after young players in europe. Successive managers have failed to solve the problem despite millions invested in the academy set up, I guess the concern is that despite many people feeling that this is the most talented group of young players we have had in a very long time we have a terrible track record of turning potential young stars into real first teamers. Its been encouraging to see Kelly getting a run but we have had so many players come as far as he is now only to regress or be frozen out.
[quote author=RedStar link=topic=42903.msg1223037#msg1223037 date=1290584537]
You do have to wonder about the youth/reserve set up at times in light of the rave reviews our youngsters get. We seem to buy top young players from here and overseas yet so few make any impact with the first team, some after being really impressive as youngsters like Mellor and Spearing, others like Pongolle and Nemeth as some of the most sought after young players in europe. Successive managers have failed to solve the problem despite millions invested in the academy set up, I guess the concern is that despite many people feeling that this is the most talented group of young players we have had in a very long time we have a terrible track record of turning potential young stars into real first teamers. Its been encouraging to see Kelly getting a run but we have had so many players come as far as he is now only to regress or be frozen out.
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True, but have any of them gone on to be top-level players elsewhere? The answer is no, and it suggests that - despite all the rave reviews and high expectations - they just weren't good enough. Few players are, unfortunately.
You do have to wonder about the youth/reserve set up at times in light of the rave reviews our youngsters get. We seem to buy top young players from here and overseas yet so few make any impact with the first team, some after being really impressive as youngsters like Mellor and Spearing, others like Pongolle and Nemeth as some of the most sought after young players in europe. Successive managers have failed to solve the problem despite millions invested in the academy set up, I guess the concern is that despite many people feeling that this is the most talented group of young players we have had in a very long time we have a terrible track record of turning potential young stars into real first teamers. Its been encouraging to see Kelly getting a run but we have had so many players come as far as he is now only to regress or be frozen out.
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True, but have any of them gone on to be top-level players elsewhere? The answer is no, and it suggests that - despite all the rave reviews and high expectations - they just weren't good enough. Few players are, unfortunately.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42903.msg1223034#msg1223034 date=1290584381]
[quote author=Binny link=topic=42903.msg1223029#msg1223029 date=1290583787]
Noticed the official website match report mention that Pacheco played in the central role. Coincidence or decision not to fit square peg in a round hole?
Have always been curious about Gerardo Bruna, probably due to the raves he earned during his earlier days with us. Wonder how far he is from a first team appearance.
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bruna is apparently almost guaranteed not to make it, by all accounts. mind you, that puts him in good company as long as hodgson's infesting the club.
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Eh? Because he doesn't give kids a chance??
[quote author=Binny link=topic=42903.msg1223029#msg1223029 date=1290583787]
Noticed the official website match report mention that Pacheco played in the central role. Coincidence or decision not to fit square peg in a round hole?
Have always been curious about Gerardo Bruna, probably due to the raves he earned during his earlier days with us. Wonder how far he is from a first team appearance.
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bruna is apparently almost guaranteed not to make it, by all accounts. mind you, that puts him in good company as long as hodgson's infesting the club.
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Eh? Because he doesn't give kids a chance??
Awww... there goes the 'new Messi' :'( Was he injured last season, Hansern? Seemed to disappear off the radar a little.
Considering Ngoo and Eccleston were brought in from lower division teams, our recent home-bred youngsters seem to be defensive players - like Robinson and Coady (previously Kelly, Darby, Spearing). Hopefully we'll have more exciting youths soon.
Considering Ngoo and Eccleston were brought in from lower division teams, our recent home-bred youngsters seem to be defensive players - like Robinson and Coady (previously Kelly, Darby, Spearing). Hopefully we'll have more exciting youths soon.
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[quote author=RedStar link=topic=42903.msg1223037#msg1223037 date=1290584537]
You do have to wonder about the youth/reserve set up at times in light of the rave reviews our youngsters get. We seem to buy top young players from here and overseas yet so few make any impact with the first team, some after being really impressive as youngsters like Mellor and Spearing, others like Pongolle and Nemeth as some of the most sought after young players in europe. Successive managers have failed to solve the problem despite millions invested in the academy set up, I guess the concern is that despite many people feeling that this is the most talented group of young players we have had in a very long time we have a terrible track record of turning potential young stars into real first teamers. Its been encouraging to see Kelly getting a run but we have had so many players come as far as he is now only to regress or be frozen out.
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True, but have any of them gone on to be top-level players elsewhere? The answer is no, and it suggests that - despite all the rave reviews and high expectations - they just weren't good enough. Few players are, unfortunately.
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Thats undoubtedly part of the problem, the expectation heaped on these young players is probably over the top alot of the time, but for a club like ours to go over 10 years without producing anything for the first team is startling, I mean sheer weight of numbers should mean a couple per decade
Warnock is probably the only one that got away such, but by the time a player hits 22/23 and hes released I think most of the damage has been done because not playing proper competitive football because your sitting in the reserves at a top club between say 18 and 22 is irreversible in most cases. The guys who are trailing in the wake of players like Pacheco at youth level will get a game at smaller clubs and develop faster while he bides his time and waits in the difficult period between reserve and first team at a club like ours
[quote author=RedStar link=topic=42903.msg1223037#msg1223037 date=1290584537]
You do have to wonder about the youth/reserve set up at times in light of the rave reviews our youngsters get. We seem to buy top young players from here and overseas yet so few make any impact with the first team, some after being really impressive as youngsters like Mellor and Spearing, others like Pongolle and Nemeth as some of the most sought after young players in europe. Successive managers have failed to solve the problem despite millions invested in the academy set up, I guess the concern is that despite many people feeling that this is the most talented group of young players we have had in a very long time we have a terrible track record of turning potential young stars into real first teamers. Its been encouraging to see Kelly getting a run but we have had so many players come as far as he is now only to regress or be frozen out.
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True, but have any of them gone on to be top-level players elsewhere? The answer is no, and it suggests that - despite all the rave reviews and high expectations - they just weren't good enough. Few players are, unfortunately.
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Thats undoubtedly part of the problem, the expectation heaped on these young players is probably over the top alot of the time, but for a club like ours to go over 10 years without producing anything for the first team is startling, I mean sheer weight of numbers should mean a couple per decade
Warnock is probably the only one that got away such, but by the time a player hits 22/23 and hes released I think most of the damage has been done because not playing proper competitive football because your sitting in the reserves at a top club between say 18 and 22 is irreversible in most cases. The guys who are trailing in the wake of players like Pacheco at youth level will get a game at smaller clubs and develop faster while he bides his time and waits in the difficult period between reserve and first team at a club like ours
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