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Some bloke on Twitter who is in all likelihood talking shit, claims that Murdock has set up a company and is in discussions with all the major European clubs with regards forming a break away European Super League.

Now as I said, these current rumours are no doubt made up bollocks, but there seems to be a certain amount of inevitability about a super league at some time in the future, especially as there will be more money for the clubs involved
 
I like the idea of it, but not exclusively as it'd be a shame to compromise domestic leagues. Could be done every four seasons or something.

In fact that's a daft idea, would still like to see it once or twice. I'm torn on it.
 
Its really would Squiggles...but then again the game is slowly but surely being corrupted by massive media corporations (mainly murdoch) so its probably inevitable at some stage even if it takes a few decades!
 
The "Guardian" carried this story a couple of days ago. They put it down partly to the top clubs' frustration with FIFA and the almighty mess it's in. From memory the report mentioned 9 clubs, of which we were one, which were said to be behind the proposal. There was also mention of clubs refusing to release players for internationals.

The Super League is not something I'd like to see TBH. For one thing, I agree it would compromise national leagues and pose a risk to the health of the game overall. For another, the attraction of playing teams like Barca or Milan would fade away if we were doing it every week. Those games need to remain the exception rather than the rule.
 
There were rumours that when JP McManus offered to give €50m towards the construction of the Bertie bowl ( an Irish national footy stadium that never got built) in Dublin it was on the understanding that he would have use of the stadium for the (his) Dublin franchised team that would be in the European League
I think if it were set up there would be pressure on some countries to have their top teams amalgamate in order to compete in the league, similar to the Heineken Cup in rugby, along with other counties like Ireland given entry to it with a new franchise.

As attractive as it seems on the surface to have Europe's top teams coming to Dublin, I think that it is an abomination of an idea and will tear the soul out of football, if it has one left that is.

I still fear that something along these lines might ultimately happen though.
 
I wouldn't like it at all. I would fear it would become like the NFL with franchises and what not. With teams given nicknames like The Barcelona Pickpockets, Milan Mobsters, Athens Kiddie fiddlers and what not.
 
It could be also a fabrication to put pressure on fifa to draw up new regulations with regards internationals. Many of the clubs have become frustrated because Blatter is talking about extending the international calendar but has yet to open negotiotions on insurance for injured players etc...especially in nothing friendly games.
 
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I wouldn't like it at all. I would fear it would become like the NFL with franchises and what not. With teams given nicknames like The Barcelona Pickpockets, Milan Mobsters, Athens Vatican Kiddie fiddlers and what not.
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Yes we would. The clubs concerned - and we are one of them if the "Grauniad" report is to be believed - would get together and set their own league up. It wouldn't matter where each of them had finished in their respective domestic leagues.
 
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Yes we would. The clubs concerned - and we are one of them if the "Grauniad" report is to be believed - would get together and set their own league up. It wouldn't matter where each of them had finished in their respective domestic leagues.
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True, there wouldnt be relegation/promotion either.

It's a fucking hideous idea that will destroy football, & have me watching AFC Liverpool on a regular basis.
 
European Super League is not so super


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Many of you may already be aware, but Early Doors is a simple creature. Case in point: Its team came sixth out of eight in the annual Eurosport quiz last night. Fair enough, even it was partly by virtue of being penalised for knowing nothing about Strictly Come Dancing.
Anyway, being such a simpleton, it is hard for ED to understand why Europe's biggest clubs have re-opened the old discussion about breaking away from UEFA and forming their own competition. Yes, that's right, the old European Super League debate is rearing its ugly head again, although quite what is so super about it is difficult to fathom.

Oh wait, that's right - Freed from the constraints of the European governing bodies regulations and financial fair play rules, the giants of the continental game can create their own tournament which will be even more weighted in favour of the very biggest and richest than the Champions League already is.

This latest round of speculation has come from words emanating out of the European Club Association, the continental cartel of clubs forged from the ashes of the G14 which, ED is sure you will remember, was a union of 14 of the most successful clubs in history of the game, plus later additions Arsenal, Lyon, Valencia and Bayer Leverkusen, because they happened to be big at the time.

When that group was threatening to take steps toward founding its own competition, UEFA reached a compromise in which the Champions League was expanded and the G14 became the much broader ECA.

Bayern Munich president Karl-Heinz Rummenigge is the man who has picked up the ball, dusted it down and run with it, and he has used the recent farrago surrounding FIFA as justification for any potential split.

He said: "Sepp Blatter is saying he is cleaning up the game, but the fact that no-one believes him, tells you everything you need to know. I'm not optimistic because they believe the system is working perfectly as it is. It is a money-machine.

"It is a nice game but it is decided by people who are corrupt. I am not ready to accept the system as it is and I am not alone."

Another ECA board member said later: "The fact that Bayern Munich, who have always been close to the institutions, are being so vocal and loud about the situation is a clear sign we're very close to breaking point.

"We have a memorandum of understanding with UEFA that expires in 2014. After that time we can no longer be forced to respect FIFA statutes or UEFA regulations. And we won't be obliged to compete in their competitions."

There are, of course, plenty of issues for clubs to take with those two bodies, chiefly that concerning the use of their players in international competitions and who pays for their insurance while they are away with their national teams.

But, in reality, that is a side issue. This is all about money. If the biggest clubs did not have to worry about complying with financial fair play then they would be free to spend whatever they wanted on transfer fees and wages without fear of reprisal.

Rummenigge is no doubt genuine in his disapproval of the mess at FIFA HQ, but why should he take out his frustration on UEFA? Under Michel Platini's rule financial fair play, a first step towards something approaches fiscal equality in football, has been implemented, and the Champions League has been partially amended to give clubs from smaller countries a better chance of making the group stages.

But that will not do for a self-serving gang that only craves more money and success in the short term, with little or no regard for the future. Do they really think that fans of Barcelona or Manchester United will get excited about a trip to Anderlecht, for example? It is difficult enough trying to drum up interest in a Champions League group match away to half-decent opposition, let alone a fixture set in the more drawn-out context of a full league.

The Argentine FA bending over backwards to try and bring recently-relegated River Plate back into the top flight shows that, all over the world, the biggest and richest will always be the most closely protected. Let's hope this mooted European reshuffle does not get off the ground.
 
and the Guardian article from Tuesday.........................................




Clubs are poised for a showdown with the Fifa president, Sepp Blatter, unless they get assurances from the football's governing body. Photograph: Arnd Wiegmann/Reuters
European clubs will break away from Fifa and Uefa and create their own super league unless the world governing body urgently addresses their growing concerns over international fixtures and finances. It would be the most radical development in the history of football since the first World Cup in 1930, ripping up the established world order of the game and seizing power from Sepp Blatter, Fifa's president.

The Guardian can reveal the background to Karl-Heinz Rummenigge's comments on Tuesday about a "revolution" for football: a European super league that would see the clubs seize control of their own affairs from the regulators. The European game is currently ordered through a memorandum of understanding between clubs and Uefa that was signed three and a half years ago. It runs until 2014, and when it expires the top European clubs will no longer be legally bound to play in Uefa's Champions League or, crucially, to release their players for international friendlies or tournaments, including the World Cup.

In a reflection of their belief that Fifa lacks legitimacy – especially in the wake of the damaging bribery allegations currently surrounding the organisation – the clubs will not shrink from breaking away if they do not receive sufficient guarantees.

A board member of the European Club Association of which Bayern Munich's Rummenigge is president told the Guardian on Wednesday: "The fact that Bayern Munich, who have always been close to the institutions, are being so vocal and loud about the situation is a clear sign we're very close to breaking point. We have a memorandum of understanding with Uefa that expires in 2014. After that time we can no longer be forced to respect Fifa statutes or Uefa regulations. And we won't be obliged to compete in their competitions."

When asked what that would mean for clubs' finances if they were to withdraw from the Champions League, which generates tens of millions of pounds a year for his organisation's richest and most influential members, the ECA board member responded: "Don't be naive. Don't think there would be no alternative competition."

Although the ECA has a broad constituency, representing 197 European clubs, it is the interests of nine in particular that will drive this agenda. They are Real Madrid, Milan, Liverpool, Internazionale, Manchester United, Barcelona, Arsenal, Chelsea and Rummenigge's Bayern. When the Guardian contacted the four English clubs for their views on the matter, all declined to comment. However, a director at one of the clubs said: "[Financially] there is a lot of unfulfilled potential in football as it stands."

The English experience of the past 20 years, since a breakaway group of the leading clubs withdrew from the Football League to form the Premier League (albeit under the auspices of the Football Association), has been exceptionally lucrative for the game domestically and the hawks within the ECA are pushing for a replica at European level.

The news will not come as a surprise at Uefa where in some quarters there is a long-held view that the clubs will seek to go their own way. This has arisen from a number of points of conflict with the world football authorities. As revealed by the Guardian last month there is considerable disquiet about perceived moves to expand the international calendar, forcing clubs to release their expensively remunerated players to national associations without any payback. Fifa denies there have been any discussions about the subject but the ECA source claimed that the matter will be ratified at a Fifa executive-committee meeting in the autumn. As is consistent with relations between Fifa and the clubs, the decision will have been taken without any formal negotiations with the clubs about how the additional fixtures would be accommodated.

There is a further grievance, this time with Uefa about insurance. The ECA alleges Uefa has pulled back from its commitment to provide insurance for players who are called up for international duty. "Uefa said we would have our insurance after their presidential elections [in March]," the source said. "Now the elections have taken place and we're still waiting for talks." A spokesman for Uefa did not respond to the Guardian's call.

Yet despite the details of the enduring dispute between the clubs and Fifa and Uefa, there is an overriding financial motive. "When you have every club losing money every year and the only winners the players and Fifa," the source said, "how can that be allowed to go on?"
 
No, I've thought about it and it would suit me fine. I like watching good football. Look at our first couple of games. Sunderland and Bolton. YAWN. Two massive European teams instead please.

We could always play Sunderland and Bolton on Wednesday nights. Thursday if we're still shit.
 
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No, I've thought about it and it would suit me fine. I like watching good football. Look at our first couple of games. Sunderland and Bolton. YAWN. Two massive European teams instead please.

We could always play Sunderland and Bolton on Wednesday nights. Thursday if we're still shit.
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It would be shit. Less variety and a succession of overblown matches with no historical perspective. What makes the champions league work is that it isn't every week and it juxtaposes with the domestic games.

The most depressing line of the guardian article was the statement that "football revenues haven't been maximised yet". The bean counters have discovered a product that for a proportion of the population has an emotional value that means it is the last "luxury" they would give up and are intent of exploiting that for everything they can. Murdcock could make a lot of money out of charging me to see my family, and justify it by dressing them nicely, but most people would agree it was pretty shabby behaviour and stop him from doing it.
 
Presumably FIFA & UEFA sanctioned tournos like Champs League, Euro Championships, World Cup etc. would preclude players contracted to the Super League. Ergo, they wouldn't be worth watching anymore as all the best players would be in the Super League earning 400k a week.
I had always assumed the extended Champs League format, which is shit until the knock out rounds anyway, satisfied the need for more regular, big-team, money-spinning fixtures. Maybe not.
Break away 'Super Leagues' have happened in other sports so I don't see why there would be any legal implications here.
Can't see it doing the game much good. The rich will get richer, the poor will die. I know we're in the rich bit, but still......
 
Oh, and one other thing, if it happens, this is where they'd start taking games to neutral venues to maximise gate revenue e.g. Liverpool v Real Madrid live from Dubai.
 
So a tiny part of this super league is in reaction to Sepp Bladder being a cnut and wanting more international games. Another reason to hate that man.
 
The idea has been around for a decade now and is a bad idea. The CL works in its current format and is rightfully the worlds best club tournament in the world. A super league would detract from the special occasions that are true European nights.
 
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