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lol Nani yellow carded
Good, the fucking gimp.
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Looks a card game this more than a game of chess.
I'm not saying there isn't something in what you say. But that's a function more of (a) them being different kinds of players; and (b) Messi being brought up through a uniform football philosophy since he was a nipper, rather than one being naturally a superior player to the other. Consider also that Ronaldo has been successful in two vastly different leagues, playing for managers with different playing styles. That also requires an ability and skillset that is very rare, and that is something that Messi has never been tested with. You can also of course argue that Ronaldo's ability as a team-player has never been tested in a possession-based team set-up like Barcelona, but I would be tempted to say that Ronaldo's chances of success in such a set-up would be greater than Messi's if he ever moved to the PL, for instance. That's of course hypothetical, but given that a comparison between two players (given that they can never be identically placed) requires some degree of hypothesis, I think that's only fair.
I also think it's interesting to compare their stats:
Messi (Barcelona)
2004-05 – Goals – 1; Assists – 0
2005-06 – Goals – 7; Assists – 1
2006-07 – Goals – 17; Assists – 2
2007-08 – Goals – 18; Assists – 13
2008-09 – Goals – 38; Assists – 16
2009-10 – Goals – 45; Assists – 10
2010-11 – Goals – 50; Assists – 21
2011-12 – Goals – 73; Assists – 23
Total – Goals – 249; Assists - 86
Ronaldo (United and Real)
2003-04 – Goals – 4; Assists – 4
2004-05– Goals – 9; Assists – 6
2005-06 – Goals – 12; Assists – 7
2006-07 – Goals – 23; Assists – 20
2007-08 – Goals – 43; Assists – 8
2008-09 – Goals – 25; Assists – 8
2009-10 – Goals – 33; Assists – 7
2010-11 – Goals – 53; Assists – 14
2011-12 – Goals – 64; Assists – 15
Total – Goals – 266; Assists – 89
Ronaldo being older has played an extra season and consequently has slightly better aggregate stats, but I'd say they're absolutely neck and neck on average. Messi's obviously won more at club level (5 league titles, and 3 CLs) compared to Ronaldo's 4 league titles and 1 CL, but again that's more down to the teams they play for rather than any individual superiority IMO. It would be interesting to do this comparison at the end of their careers, but my thinking is they'd be absolutely neck and neck. Messi will always have more fans - not only is he far more humble and understated, but he is also a purists' delight, unlike Ronaldo, who is cocky and smug, and is seen to be be good because of the fantastic physical gifts he's blessed with. For those reasons alone, Ronaldo can't win, but any objective analysis must place them at a hair's breath away from each other, and not Ronaldo at a distant second, as so many often make it out to be.
If I could carve a 300 feet high, Monty Python Life Of Brian-style "THIS", right here is where I would put the fucker.
He can score all the goals and win all the gongs he likes.
He will never be up there with Pele, Cruyff, Maradona, Zidane for me.
He spends too much time forcing us to admire him.
Can anyone imagine how much of a cunt he would act if he had done this:
View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crDzasp1-60
There's no doubt he's a brilliant player.
I just hate the way he does what he does.
Everything EVERYTHING he does, screams "AREN'T I JUST THE BEST THING EVER ?".
He can fuck off.
I truly detest the twat.
I hate Portugal the gang of greasy diving whining fannys
"Ronaldo at his brilliant best" SCREEEAMS the commentator. But he didn't score yer tit.
Some good football on display here, reckon this could go either way
Good response Dmish. A few points:
1) Riijkard and Guardiola played different styles - The 'tiki taka' wasn't really a staple of Riijkard's teams.
2) Was Messi even healthy for his first two seasons? Didn't have serious injury concerns? Considering how poor those first two are, it's incredible how close he is. Those five straight seasons of 10+ assists is incredible too.
3) While you're making a big thing of 'two leagues,' I think it's not really that relevant. Both teams Ronaldo played for catered for him (Rooney would play behind him often, and have defensive responsibilities while Ronaldo didn't).
4) Also, it's interesting to see how they perform at the SAME AGE ...
Ronaldo (United and Real) Messi (Barcelona)
17 2004-05 – Goals – 1; Assists – 0
18 2005-06 – Goals – 7; Assists – 1
19 2003-04 – Goals – 4; Assists – 4 19 2006-07 – Goals – 17; Assists – 2
20 2004-05– Goals – 9; Assists – 6 20 2007-08 – Goals – 18; Assists – 13
21 2005-06 – Goals – 12; Assists – 7 21 2008-09 – Goals – 38; Assists – 16
22 2006-07 – Goals – 23; Assists – 20 22 2009-10 – Goals – 45; Assists – 10
23 2007-08 – Goals – 43; Assists – 8 23 2010-11 – Goals – 50; Assists – 21
24 2008-09 – Goals – 25; Assists – 8 24 2011-12 – Goals – 73; Assists – 23
25 2009-10 – Goals – 33; Assists – 7
26 2010-11 – Goals – 53; Assists – 14
27 2011-12 – Goals – 64; Assists – 15
Startling eh? As I said, it's not 'light years' but it's not a hair's breath as you say either ...
I want to know how he done it. But at the same time I don't want to know!
Ronaldo. Face like a smacked arse.
View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIWWYOqG_9s
He even jumped up afterwards and ran to Otto Rehhagel (Bremen's manager at that time) shouting at him because he thought that Rehhagel encouraged the foul.
Remarkable what a load of adrenaline can do.
The tart should have just carried on playing.
I dont see the point youre trying to make Wiz? Messi has spent his ENTIRE career playin in the GREATEST club side of all time. Ronaldo virtually carried United to league titles and European cups. Its impossible to asses exactly what difference it would have made if their roles were reversed. Instead i think the simplest way is to trust your eyes. And theres not a hairs breadth between them. Messi is the better dribbler, Ronaldo the better header, Messi the better short passer, Ronaldo the better free kick taker. Both devastating finishers.
Gerrards better than both mind you.
He played again 3 weeks later.
3 weeks? Lazy arse.
Milan 'Would you like some cheeeese Grommit' Baros is muck
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