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[Akakabooto]

[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45065.msg1321710#msg1321710 date=1303804069]

it's unrealistic to mention spurs, they are a few players whort of winning the league but the difference between them and us is that their chairman said they are going to have to cut their spending in transfer windows. We don't. We have a man who said he's willign to invest in the squad, and we've just signed some pretty sizeable contracts with companies to get us even more money.

It all comes down to who we buy in the summer, and i trust kenny
[/quote]

Exactly.

And could the defeatists stop ruining this thread please?

 

[Fabio]

[quote author=themn link=topic=45065.msg1321712#msg1321712 date=1303804153]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45065.msg1321709#msg1321709 date=1303803956]
[quote author=themn link=topic=45065.msg1321707#msg1321707 date=1303803917]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45065.msg1321687#msg1321687 date=1303802412]
[quote author=the count link=topic=45065.msg1320896#msg1320896 date=1303640184]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45065.msg1320810#msg1320810 date=1303618611]
Wow what a swing from the Brom game 2 weeks ago.

If we make top 4 next yr I'll be over the moon.

Title? You make a mockery of LFC fans.....

We are so far off a title challenge its embarrassing to talk about it.
[/quote] Would you say that DB if your hero Mourinho was in charge of Liverpool next season?
[/quote]

Jose is another planet in my book. Always have been.

[/quote]

Uranus ?
[/quote]

no, pats just in jis



[/quote]

Lol (I think) !
[/quote]

i cannot get used to this uni keyboard!

 

[Dreambeliever]

[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45065.msg1321710#msg1321710 date=1303804069]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45065.msg1321708#msg1321708 date=1303803927]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=45065.msg1321688#msg1321688 date=1303802606]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45065.msg1321685#msg1321685 date=1303802110]
[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=45065.msg1320858#msg1320858 date=1303635700]
Maybe he worded it badly but I'd be leaning closer to DB's view. It is highly unlikely we can challenge for the title unless we add 4 really quality players to the 1st team. This would involve spending huge amounts and I think it's unlikely we'd have enough cash. That said with Kenny, Suarez, Gerrard and Carroll I think we'll have enough to get top four next season.
[/quote]

Not to mention that fact our squad knows very little about the pressures of challenging for a league title at the business end of a season.

People forget the consistency needed to really be up there. We simply do not have it at the moment. We can dream all we like. But 4th should be as high as the dream goes for next season. We are playing well at the moment and its wonderful to see but all this talk of challenging to win the league when we are 20 odd points off top is cringe imho.
[/quote]

Cringe? Oh dear.

DB and all others who clearly don't belong in this thread could you please just fuck off?
[/quote]

And what would you say if Spurs fan said they think they are going to win the league next year?
[/quote]

it's unrealistic to mention spurs, they are a few players whort of winning the league but the difference between them and us is that their chairman said they are going to have to cut their spending in transfer windows. We don't. We have a man who said he's willign to invest in the squad, and we've just signed some pretty sizeable contracts with companies to get us even more money.

It all comes down to who we buy in the summer, and i trust kenny
[/quote]

Hmm so far we have only invested the money we have gotten back n the transfer market. Plus spurs squad is better than ours. We are simply setting our expectations to high. We are trying to fly before we can crawl nevemind walk. Let's get off to a solid start and see where it takes is next season instead of setting outselves up for massive disappointment by declaring we are going to challenge for the league.

 

[Fabio]

What do you think kenny will be telling the lads pat? "well our midfield is still a bit weak and our defence isn't great, but we can make it to top 4 lads!"

No, he'll instill a passion and a confidence in them where we can beat anyone no matter what team we put out. You only have to look at hoe mediocre players are playing out of their skin for kenny. They all are playing for the pride of the shirt and the club. It's bee na while since we've had performances across the board being so high. Yes we've had some poor matches but thats down to the frailty of the squad. Theres no doubt first teamers will be pushed out and on to the bench after this summer. We'll strengthen across the board, either from promoting our own hungry players, or spending money on first team players.

 

[themn]

Quote fail

 

[LeTallecWiz]

My dear Pat,

Football is about believing. Did you believe we'd score 3 goals against Olympiakos in the 2nd half with strikers such as FSP & Mellor leading the line? Did you believe we'd beat the best team in Italy and England by slim one goal margins? Did you believe we'd win a game after being down 3-0 at half time? Did you believe we'd win a game being down a goal in the 4th minute of extra time?

So you don't want to believe Liverpool can do it over the course of 38 games. Ok, fair enough. Some of us do believe, be it because we see the light, are messiahs or are partially insane. Your 'realistic' friends and yourself don't think it's possible - just make sure to jump on the train when you realize it is and you'll be forgiven. Until then, please let the believers believe. Praise ye Lord.

Sincerely,
LTW

 

[Fabio]

Speak for yourself LTW. Pongo was a beast and i fully expected us to win 8)

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=45065.msg1321726#msg1321726 date=1303804930]
Did you believe we'd score 3 goals against Olympiakos in the 2nd half with strikers such as FSP & Mellor leading the line? [/quote]

actually, yes.

 

[themn]

LTW - DB is a believer.

He believed that everything would be ok with Roy.

He even made a post telling everyone to cheer up.

 

[cobrastatus]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=45065.msg1321726#msg1321726 date=1303804930]
My dear Pat,

Football is about believing. Did you believe we'd score 3 goals against Olympiakos in the 2nd half with strikers such as FSP & Mellor leading the line? Did you believe we'd beat the best team in Italy and England by slim one goal margins? Did you believe we'd win a game after being down 3-0 at half time? Did you believe we'd win a game being down a goal in the 4th minute of extra time?

So you don't want to believe Liverpool can do it over the course of 38 games. Ok, fair enough. Some of us do believe, be it because we see the light, are messiahs or are partially insane. Your 'realistic' friends and yourself don't think it's possible - just make sure to jump on the train when you realize it is and you'll be forgiven. Until then, please let the believers believe. Praise ye Lord.

Sincerely,
LTW
[/quote]

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Why be a football fan if you can't understand, no, LIVE this post? I don't like feeling shitty all the time, and it sucks even more if it's all a product of my own shit mentality, so I am befuddled by people like DB.

 

[Y1]

Sadly DB believes in the wrong thing.

 

[spider-Neil]

for the record my posts aren't an attempt to tell people to stop believeing, you've always got to have some faith in football. faith you'll win games etc, my posts are more why 'I' don't think we'll win the league and if we don't win the league I wont drag up this thread to go 'oh, look I was right' (unlike some people who would). in this instance I really want to be proven incorrect as it will mean we're champions. also we only have one more year to win the league as the world is coming to an end in 2012.

 

[Dreambeliever]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=45065.msg1321726#msg1321726 date=1303804930]
My dear Pat,

Football is about believing. Did you believe we'd score 3 goals against Olympiakos in the 2nd half with strikers such as FSP & Mellor leading the line? Did you believe we'd beat the best team in Italy and England by slim one goal margins? Did you believe we'd win a game after being down 3-0 at half time? Did you believe we'd win a game being down a goal in the 4th minute of extra time?

So you don't want to believe Liverpool can do it over the course of 38 games. Ok, fair enough. Some of us do believe, be it because we see the light, are messiahs or are partially insane. Your 'realistic' friends and yourself don't think it's possible - just make sure to jump on the train when you realize it is and you'll be forgiven. Until then, please let the believers believe. Praise ye Lord.

Sincerely,
LTW
[/quote]

Actually yes to all of that. As I won a grand in the Greek game and 6k for the CL that seas;on by backing us.

One of ties are different. The league is way bigger animal to tackle as Arsenal have shown time and time again.
I am as excited about our team as I have been in a long time and want to enjoy watching us without the pressure of unrealistic goals.
How about we all just sit back and enjoy watching good football and proud players.

 

[Fabio]

Don't worry spide, everyone understands you're not trying to drag people down, just that you don't believe. We love you regardless


now fuck off out the positivity thread! 😛

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45065.msg1321737#msg1321737 date=1303805653]
Don't worry spide, everyone understands you're not trying to drag people down, just that you don't believe. We love you regardless


now fuck off out the positivity thread! 😛
[/quote]

okay, if you want positivity from me, I believe we'll go the entire season unbeaten at home.

 

[mark1975]

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[mark1975]

[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45065.msg1321719#msg1321719 date=1303804575]
Hmm so far we have only invested the money we have gotten back n the transfer market. Plus spurs squad is better than ours. We are simply setting our expectations to high. We are trying to fly before we can crawl nevemind walk. Let's get off to a solid start and see where it takes is next season instead of setting outselves up for massive disappointment by declaring we are going to challenge for the league.
[/quote]

Yet we're both battling it out to finish 5th.

Spurs squad is better than ours, but I'd argue our first team is better. They don't have a Gerrard, their defence is poorer and arguably their strength in goals this season has been more from the attacking midfield positions rather than upfront. Realistically we could pip them to 5th after spending half the season with dithering Woy fucking up our league status. They've had a season of being lauded as coming of age and breaking amongst the elite, when in reality they've just had another season of competing for a UEFA Cup position.

Our current predicament in the league is temporary, theirs is the norm. We're not 'miles off' by any stretch.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45065.msg1321740#msg1321740 date=1303805805]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45065.msg1321737#msg1321737 date=1303805653]
Don't worry spide, everyone understands you're not trying to drag people down, just that you don't believe. We love you regardless


now fuck off out the positivity thread! 😛
[/quote]

okay, if you want positivity from me, I believe we'll go the entire season unbeaten at home.
[/quote]

That's not positivity, that's you saying that we're shit away from home.

 

[themn]

[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45065.msg1321719#msg1321719 date=1303804575][quote author=Fabio link=topic=45065.msg1321710#msg1321710 date=1303804069][quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45065.msg1321708#msg1321708 date=1303803927][quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=45065.msg1321688#msg1321688 date=1303802606][quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45065.msg1321685#msg1321685 date=1303802110][quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=45065.msg1320858#msg1320858 date=1303635700]Maybe he worded it badly but I'd be leaning closer to DB's view. It is highly unlikely we can challenge for the title unless we add 4 really quality players to the 1st team. This would involve spending huge amounts and I think it's unlikely we'd have enough cash. That said with Kenny, Suarez, Gerrard and Carroll I think we'll have enough to get top four next season.

[/quote]Not to mention that fact our squad knows very little about the pressures of challenging for a league title at the business end of a season.People forget the consistency needed to really be up there. We simply do not have it at the moment. We can dream all we like. But 4th should be as high as the dream goes for next season. We are playing well at the moment and its wonderful to see but all this talk of challenging to win the league when we are 20 odd points off top is cringe imho.

[/quote]Cringe? Oh dear.DB and all others who clearly don't belong in this thread could you please just fuck off?

[/quote]And what would you say if Spurs fan said they think they are going to win the league next year?

[/quote]it's unrealistic to mention spurs, they are a few players whort of winning the league but the difference between them and us is that their chairman said they are going to have to cut their spending in transfer windows. We don't. We have a man who said he's willign to invest in the squad, and we've just signed some pretty sizeable contracts with companies to get us even more money.It all comes down to who we buy in the summer, and i trust kenny[/quote]

Hmm so far we have only invested the money we have gotten back n the transfer market. Plus spurs squad is better than ours. We are simply setting our expectations to high. We are trying to fly before we can crawl nevemind walk. Let's get off to a solid start and see where it takes is next season instead of setting outselves up for massive disappointment by declaring we are going to challenge for the league.[/quote]



[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45100.msg1321713#msg1321713 date=1303804221]I love to see Aquaman come back under Kenny.I really want to see suarez get a full season in England to show how good he is.He's look stupidly good in patches so far.Exciting times indeed. [/quote]

*blinks*

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45065.msg1321741#msg1321741 date=1303805822]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45065.msg1321719#msg1321719 date=1303804575]
Hmm so far we have only invested the money we have gotten back n the transfer market. Plus spurs squad is better than ours. We are simply setting our expectations to high. We are trying to fly before we can crawl nevemind walk. Let's get off to a solid start and see where it takes is next season instead of setting outselves up for massive disappointment by declaring we are going to challenge for the league.
[/quote]

Spurs squad is better than ours, but I'd argue our first team is better. They don't have a Gerrard, their defence is poorer and arguably their strength in goals this season has been more from the attacking midfield positions rather than upfront. Realistically we could pip them to 5th after spending half the season with dithering Roy fucking up our league status. They've had a season of being lauded as coming of age and breaking amongst the elite, when in reality they've just had another season of competing for a UEFA Cup position.

Our current predicament in the league is temporary, theirs is the norm. We're not 'miles off' by any stretch.
[/quote]

manu, arsenal and chelsea will always be strong but man city are spurs are erratic so we're not miles off a CL position right now. the summer will put down a marker with how close we will be to the top 3, if the yanks (to quote richard keys) 'SMASH IT' in the transfer market then that will be cause to genuinely believe.

 

[doctor_mac]

[quote author=themn link=topic=45065.msg1321731#msg1321731 date=1303805194]
LTW - DB is a believer.

He believed that everything would be ok with Roy.

He even made a post telling everyone to cheer up.
[/quote]

Hahaha. Forgot about that.

 

[Dreambeliever]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45065.msg1321743#msg1321743 date=1303805922]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45065.msg1321719#msg1321719 date=1303804575]
Hmm so far we have only invested the money we have gotten back n the transfer market. Plus spurs squad is better than ours. We are simply setting our expectations to high. We are trying to fly before we can crawl nevemind walk. Let's get off to a solid start and see where it takes is next season instead of setting outselves up for massive disappointment by declaring we are going to challenge for the league.
[/quote]

Yet we're both battling it out to finish 5th.

Spurs squad is better than ours, but I'd argue our first team is better. They don't have a Gerrard, their defence is poorer and arguably their strength in goals this season has been more from the attacking midfield positions rather than upfront. Realistically we could pip them to 5th after spending half the season with dithering Roy fucking up our league status. They've had a season of being lauded as coming of age and breaking amongst the elite, when in reality they've just had another season of competing for a UEFA Cup position.

Our current predicament in the league is temporary, theirs is the norm. We're not 'miles off' by any stretch.
[/quote]
All valid points. But don't forget Spurs won't have the CL distraction next season like they did this year.
And Everton, yes Everton are close to use than we are to Spurs.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45065.msg1321744#msg1321744 date=1303805970]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45065.msg1321740#msg1321740 date=1303805805]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45065.msg1321737#msg1321737 date=1303805653]
Don't worry spide, everyone understands you're not trying to drag people down, just that you don't believe. We love you regardless


now fuck off out the positivity thread! 😛
[/quote]

okay, if you want positivity from me, I believe we'll go the entire season unbeaten at home.
[/quote]

That's not positivity, that's you saying that we're shit away from home.
[/quote]

ha ha 😛

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45065.msg1321750#msg1321750 date=1303806162]

And Everton, yes Everton are close to use than we are to Spurs.
[/quote]

Eh? We're three points off Spurs (albeit with them having a game in hand) and Everton are 5pts off us, it's neither here nor there, especially when you consider we were stuck with Woy for half the season.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=themn link=topic=45065.msg1321746#msg1321746 date=1303806133]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45065.msg1321719#msg1321719 date=1303804575][quote author=Fabio link=topic=45065.msg1321710#msg1321710 date=1303804069][quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45065.msg1321708#msg1321708 date=1303803927][quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=45065.msg1321688#msg1321688 date=1303802606][quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45065.msg1321685#msg1321685 date=1303802110][quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=45065.msg1320858#msg1320858 date=1303635700]Maybe he worded it badly but I'd be leaning closer to DB's view. It is highly unlikely we can challenge for the title unless we add 4 really quality players to the 1st team. This would involve spending huge amounts and I think it's unlikely we'd have enough cash. That said with Kenny, Suarez, Gerrard and Carroll I think we'll have enough to get top four next season.

[/quote]Not to mention that fact our squad knows very little about the pressures of challenging for a league title at the business end of a season.People forget the consistency needed to really be up there. We simply do not have it at the moment. We can dream all we like. But 4th should be as high as the dream goes for next season. We are playing well at the moment and its wonderful to see but all this talk of challenging to win the league when we are 20 odd points off top is cringe imho.

[/quote]Cringe? Oh dear.DB and all others who clearly don't belong in this thread could you please just fuck off?

[/quote]And what would you say if Spurs fan said they think they are going to win the league next year?

[/quote]it's unrealistic to mention spurs, they are a few players whort of winning the league but the difference between them and us is that their chairman said they are going to have to cut their spending in transfer windows. We don't. We have a man who said he's willign to invest in the squad, and we've just signed some pretty sizeable contracts with companies to get us even more money.It all comes down to who we buy in the summer, and i trust kenny[/quote]

Hmm so far we have only invested the money we have gotten back n the transfer market. Plus spurs squad is better than ours. We are simply setting our expectations to high. We are trying to fly before we can crawl nevemind walk. Let's get off to a solid start and see where it takes is next season instead of setting outselves up for massive disappointment by declaring we are going to challenge for the league.[/quote]



[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45100.msg1321713#msg1321713 date=1303804221]I love to see Aquaman come back under Kenny.I really want to see suarez get a full season in England to show how good he is.He's look stupidly good in patches so far.Exciting times indeed. [/quote]

*blinks*
[/quote]

give it up DB, aqualini isn't coming back to liverpool.

 

[doctor_mac]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45065.msg1321754#msg1321754 date=1303806303]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45065.msg1321750#msg1321750 date=1303806162]

And Everton, yes Everton are close to use than we are to Spurs.
[/quote]

Eh? We're three points off Spurs (albeit with them having a game in hand) and Everton are 5pts off us, it's neither here nor there, especially when you consider we were stuck with Roy for half the season.
[/quote]

Yes, if you consider we were in the relegation dog-fight zone when Kenny took the reins, we were 11 points behind then and we lost further ground in our first faltering fixtures, it is clear we've been superior to Spurs since January. Who says with a few wise additions we can increase that superiority.

 

[Oncy]

DB is the storm in YNWA.

Miserable cunt.

All this 'Put unrealistic pressures on ourselves' stuff is funny as fuck. Like we're going to be asked to give a team talk next year.

Pat. What will happen will happen, we cant change that, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO OR SAY. So the only choice is in how we feel and what we believe.
If IF we are wrong and dont make it, we will both be unhappy, but between now and then i'll be basking in the sunshine of total faith, while you are popping up your brolly of realism.

 

[FoxForceFive]

Ace post Andy. Love the metaphor.

I believe as soon as the whistle is blown we can beat any team. Thy laugh in work cos I make a prediction in the prediction league here then when asked before the weekend I say we'll win no matter who it is or who is injured.

I always believe we'll win. In the summer, I always believe we're in with a chance of the league. The day I don't will be a sad day.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=45065.msg1321856#msg1321856 date=1303816053]
Ace post Andy. Love the metaphor.

I believe as soon as the whistle is blown we can beat any team. Thy laugh in work cos I make a prediction in the prediction league here then when asked before the weekend I say we'll win no matter who it is or who is injured.

I always believe we'll win. In the summer, I always believe we're in with a chance of the league. The day I don't will be a sad day.
[/quote]

so is it a case of you 'hope' we'll win the league or you 'expect' we'll win the league?
I say this because expectation has be be based on 'something'.
I 'hope' the s-un will shine tomorrow but I 'expect' it to rain because it's rained all week.
I hope we win the league but expect we wont as haven't won the league for 20 years.
the only thing that is going to change my mind with regards to thinking we can win the league after so many false dawns is we have our best transfer window since the historic transfer window that brought in digger, aldo and beardo.

 

[Avmenon]

No, Neil.

The question is whether you 'believe' we can win.

I do.