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[quote author=Shelvey link=topic=44931.msg1363859#msg1363859 date=1310495200]
I think Raheem deserves to be there before Cole, and if not him than Morgan. Also Robinson deserves the mention for defense. I wonder if Amoo could make his breakthrough this year, he was good on loan at Hull, right?
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Amoo will never ever make it at Anfield. Championship level at best.
 
I don't think he is quality, but considering our dearth of wingers. Its quite possible that with his pace he could help us out in cup games or against specific opponents. But I think you are probably right.
 
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he is tweeting I got something exciting to tell you guys later, can't wait!!

Given the majority of his followers are Liverpool supporters, It could be that he is about to announce he is going to join Liverpool



EDIT: he has just announced he has bought a new Ferrari and gonna take it for a ride..
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Its a fake account
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Apparently it isn't... Verified by west midlands radio this afternoon.


Regarding breakdown in his wages with us, better not be.. Cunts just bought a Ferrari... Bet he will be getting a decent signing on fee..
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Aston Villa have confirmed its a fake account, so thats strange.
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Yup defo fake, comments he is coming out with at the mo, are proper funny... I'm one of the two thousand that followed him...
 
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Fully expect deal to be done by Friday..Fees agreed.
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Have we got to draw him pictures to explain his contract or something?
 
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[quote author=mark mc link=topic=44931.msg1363944#msg1363944 date=1310503694]
Fully expect deal to be done by Friday..Fees agreed.
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Have we got to draw him pictures to explain his contract or something?
[/quote]Hahahahaha think so lad
 
[quote author=mark mc link=topic=44931.msg1363944#msg1363944 date=1310503694]
Fully expect deal to be done by Friday..Fees agreed.
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Cheers Mark, I for one am happy about signing Downing, as long as there is one more in the pipeline.

On that subject, have you heard anything new on Mata or anyone else?
 
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[quote author=mark mc link=topic=44931.msg1363944#msg1363944 date=1310503694]
Fully expect deal to be done by Friday..Fees agreed.
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Cheers Mark, I for one am happy about signing Downing, as long as there is one more in the pipeline.

On that subject, have you heard anything new on Mata or anyone else?
[/quote]No mate..Fuck all..Anyone whos saying they know anything is doing well because ive never known it this hard to get any little snippets.
 
[quote author=mark mc link=topic=44931.msg1363944#msg1363944 date=1310503694]
Fully expect deal to be done by Friday..Fees agreed.
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Cheers, ronseal. When's drogba coming?
 
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Fully expect deal to be done by Friday..Fees agreed.
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Cheers, ronseal. When's drogba coming?
[/quote]Ask Oncy.... 🙂
 
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Fully expect deal to be done by Friday..Fees agreed.
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Cheers, ronseal. When's drogba coming?
[/quote]Ask Oncy.... 🙂
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🙂
 
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Fully expect deal to be done by Friday..Fees agreed.
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Cheers Mark, I for one am happy about signing Downing, as long as there is one more in the pipeline.

On that subject, have you heard anything new on Mata or anyone else?
[/quote]No mate..Fuck all..Anyone whos saying they know anything is doing well because ive never known it this hard to get any little snippets.
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Back to the good old days. Business done behing closed doors.
 
http://www.football365.com/news/21554/7033565/Downing-Could-Be-A-Moneyball-Buy

Downing Could Be A 'Moneyball' Buy At £19million, Stewart Downing would represent a significant risk, but Nick Miller reckons Liverpool have been looking at the stats and he might just be the surest buy out there...

Gleaning any impressions from the feedback F365 receives from Liverpool fans is a dangerous business.
However, while drawing conclusions is clearly highly unscientific and should not be taken as fact, the summer target that seems to have least convinced Liverpool fans is Stewart Downing.
Quite why, I'm not sure.
Downing is not an especially eye-catching signing. Well, apart from the £19million fee that Aston Villa are apparently demanding for his services. That would be very eye-catching indeed. Perhaps it would be more accurate to state that his arrival would not excite neutral fans like the signing of, say, Juan Mata.
Once a Twitter sceptic, I've recently come around to the 140-character world, and one of the key reasons was the ever-excellent OptaJoe. For stat fans, he's basically opium. And this bottomless pit of statty joy recently informed the world of the following:

'135 - Stewart Downing has completed more crosses in open play than any other player in the Premier League over the last three seasons. Whip.'

Then later...
'34.4 - Stewart Downing has averaged 34.4 appearances over the past five Premier League seasons. Reliable.'
And there, friends, is the reason Kenny Dalglish is so keen on the Aston Villa winger.

While nobody seems absolutely sure how Dalglish will line up his Liverpool side next season, an adaptable 4-3-3 with different players to suit different opponents looks the favourite. Perhaps the only attacking player that one imagines being a permanent fixture in that system is Andy Carroll, largely because at present Liverpool don't have another centre-forward capable of leading the line. Luis Suarez does his best work a little deeper, while Dirk Kuyt works hard, bless him, but isn't exactly a target man and David Ngog...well, David Ngog is David Ngog.
Therefore, much of Dalglish's strategy will be geared around exploiting Carroll's talents. It doesn't take a tactical genius to spot that much of Carroll's best work at Newcastle was done with Joey Barton pinging crosses onto his piratey head.

So who do Liverpool have that can perform such a role? 'Nobody' is the short answer. Their current widemen are either inconsistent (Maxi), rebuilding their own game (Joe Cole), makeshift (Raul Meireles) or bloody awful (Milan Jovanovic). They currently do not have a winger in the side who can cross the ball. Charlie Adam's set pieces will help (particularly as he'll take over from Steven Gerrard on corner duty - a relief for Liverpool fans everywhere), but most of his work in open play will be done from a deep, central position.
In some respects, Downing is a 'Moneyball' signing. Those of you that have read Michael Lewis's book will know that this approach is based on statistical objectivity, rather than subjective gut feelings or opinions. Instead of looking at a player's physical attributes, Billy Beane - the man around whom the book is based - would pay more attention to his statistics. Indeed, Beane would sometimes select players who his scouts actively advised against, as long as their numbers stacked up.

Beane adopted the 'sabermetrics' (a method of analysing baseball statistics objectively) approach with the Oakland A's, a baseball team towards the lower end of the financial spectrum in the MLB, because every dollar had to be spent wisely. Liverpool aren't exactly in the paupers section, but their resources are much more limited than many in the Premier League, so the same theory applies. John W. Henry and the Boston Red Sox won a couple of World Series on the back of that approach, and it looks like the theory is being carried over to Anfield.
In Downing, Liverpool are buying a statistically reliable footballer, who should in theory help get the best out of their current resources.
And in fact, here's another stat from OptaJoe:

'110 - Jordan Henderson, Luka Modric & Samir Nasri have all created 110 PL goalscoring chances since Aug 2009. Transferable.'

So as much as we mocked the money paid for Henderson, there was at least logic to the signing. Liverpool already believe they have at least one man to put away the chances, so they're buying up the players they think can create them. It's all very simple really.
£19million is an awful lot of money, but in many ways Downing represents a more solid, reliable investment than a man that offers more excitement. For a club whose support is so notoriously passionate, it's an interesting approach.
 
*Awaits Rosco's Interweb filter to detect the word 'sabermetrics*

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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11677_7034405,00.html

Alex McLeish expects Stewart Downing to maintain the right attitude if his hopes of a move to Liverpool fail to materialise.

Aston Villa have rejected bids of £12million and £15million from the Reds for Downing - and McLeish wants the England international to remain at the midlands club.

McLeish says he overcame failing to secure a move to Manchester United as a player and would expect the same response from Downing if he is still at Villa next season.

He said: "I've spoken to Stewart, I've told him I don't want to sell him. There's an obvious distraction there for him but he's been a credit to himself and applied himself in the right way and worked his socks off in training. I don't see a problem professionally.

"Mr. Ferguson wanted to sign me for Manchester United when I was at Aberdeen and that wasn't possible in the end.

"I've spoken to Stewart, I've told him I don't want to sell him. There's an obvious distraction there for him but he's been a credit to himself."
Stewart Downing Quotes of the week

"That was a big disappointment but I got my head down and worked and I don't doubt Stewart has the character to get through this is he stays at the club. It's part of your growing up as a footballer."

Villa will demand £19-20million if it becomes apparent they cannot retain Downing, who has two years remaining of his current contract.

McLeish is optimistic of signing a new keeper to replace Brad Friedel in the near future with Shay Given expected to complete a £3.5 million move from Manchester City.

He said: "We certainly need a keeper and we are making progress. We would like it to happen a bit quicker but we are moving forward."
 
I don't know if the McLeish interview is a 'oh well, were' going to lose you but be professional until you leave', or 'you're going nowhere so knuckle down and get on with it'. I really hope it's the former.
 
Those comments should've been made way earlier in the whole process.

Villa are clearly just trying to save face ahead of a rather imminent transfer going through ( As MarkMC and others suggest )
 
Like every other English journo who has tried to write about sabremetrics the article above fails to make the point that not all stats have value. The games played one has value, the most crosses one doesnt tell us much though - that was the stat used to highlight why we bought Pennant.
 
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HA
 
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Like every other English journo who has tried to write about sabremetrics the article above fails to make the point that not all stats have value. The games played one has value, the most crosses one doesnt tell us much though - that was the stat used to highlight why we bought Pennant.
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The big difference is that I think Pennant had the most crosses in total, while Downing has the most successfull crosses. Iow hit a teammate.
 
Dont know, didnt he also create 3rd most chances in the league last season. Thats a stat they can use no?
 
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