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[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=44931.msg1362287#msg1362287 date=1310208258]
Birmingham Mail says Villa want upto £25m.
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Birmingham Mail says Villa want upto £25m.
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[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=44931.msg1362287#msg1362287 date=1310208258]
Birmingham Mail says Villa want upto £25m.
Looks like this could be dead in the water.
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It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic, actually it would be funny if Downing wasn't so tragic. 25M for the new Pennant! FUCK A DUCK. C'mon Kenny enough of the silliness lets actually try and buy a really good winger now.... 25M.... absolute Lunacy.... it really doesn't matter how you dress it up or coach it... Lunacy.
Birmingham Mail says Villa want upto £25m.
Looks like this could be dead in the water.
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It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic, actually it would be funny if Downing wasn't so tragic. 25M for the new Pennant! FUCK A DUCK. C'mon Kenny enough of the silliness lets actually try and buy a really good winger now.... 25M.... absolute Lunacy.... it really doesn't matter how you dress it up or coach it... Lunacy.
offer valencia 25m for mata, they will snatch your arm off.
[quote author=paulie187 link=topic=44931.msg1362291#msg1362291 date=1310208722]
Tell Villa to fuck off for themselves. They acted the bollix with Carson a few years ago, so why we are being held to ransom by these fuckers is beyond me. Focus on N'Zogiba and Mata, leaving Villa with an unhappy player who doesn't want to be there.
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In fairness mate, why should Villa just roll over and let a bigger Club take arguably their best player without putting up a fight?
I never understand why some of our fans get all worked up when we go to bid for a player and expect us to get him on our terms.
They've just lost Ashley Young, and quite rightly they don't want to lose Downing. Frustrating, yes, understandable, yes.
Tell Villa to fuck off for themselves. They acted the bollix with Carson a few years ago, so why we are being held to ransom by these fuckers is beyond me. Focus on N'Zogiba and Mata, leaving Villa with an unhappy player who doesn't want to be there.
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In fairness mate, why should Villa just roll over and let a bigger Club take arguably their best player without putting up a fight?
I never understand why some of our fans get all worked up when we go to bid for a player and expect us to get him on our terms.
They've just lost Ashley Young, and quite rightly they don't want to lose Downing. Frustrating, yes, understandable, yes.
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They seem to be actively trying to price us out of the deal. I suggest we let them have their wish.
This is fucking incredible. I've tried ignoring this thread hoping our interest in him just suddenly dies but reports just get worse. 18m?? Is that what we're willing to pay for this average no-name? It's about three times what he's actually worth.
And 25m, for fuck's sake. Just let go of this Kenny. Please.
And 25m, for fuck's sake. Just let go of this Kenny. Please.
Whilst I agree 25m is way too high, 'average no name' is fucking offensive & way ott.
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=44931.msg1362305#msg1362305 date=1310210935]
Whilst I agree 25m is way too high, 'average no name' is fucking offensive & way ott.
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Offensive and accurate. What exactly would you consider a good deal with this particular player? Villa, if the reports are true, clearly don't expect 25M for him ( they CANT surely!!) but they will settle for what 22 or 23M....
He is worth maybe half that at best. The whole deal is ridiculous and should be abandoned with haste and then we can close this fucking depressing thread and forget about buying overpriced average players.
Whilst I agree 25m is way too high, 'average no name' is fucking offensive & way ott.
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Offensive and accurate. What exactly would you consider a good deal with this particular player? Villa, if the reports are true, clearly don't expect 25M for him ( they CANT surely!!) but they will settle for what 22 or 23M....
He is worth maybe half that at best. The whole deal is ridiculous and should be abandoned with haste and then we can close this fucking depressing thread and forget about buying overpriced average players.
we bid 15m
villa want 25m
we'll meet them in the middle with 20m
some people will no doubt shudder at a 20m fee but as I said I'm rather have 20m on the left of our (frankly rubbish left hand side) then sitting in an american bank. I don't think we'll get mata and going for n'zog is going for a player that isn't kenny's first choice.
villa want 25m
we'll meet them in the middle with 20m
some people will no doubt shudder at a 20m fee but as I said I'm rather have 20m on the left of our (frankly rubbish left hand side) then sitting in an american bank. I don't think we'll get mata and going for n'zog is going for a player that isn't kenny's first choice.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44931.msg1362314#msg1362314 date=1310212178]
we bid 15m
villa want 25m
we'll meet them in the middle with 20m
some people will no doubt shudder at a 20m fee but as I said I'm rather have 20m on the left of our (frankly rubbish left hand side) then sitting in an american bank. I don't think we'll get mata and going for n'zog is going for a player that isn't kenny's first choice.
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I'd rather we have your wisdom and knowledge on this board, than in the LFC Director's board!
So far so good.....
Money doesn't grow on trees lads...
we bid 15m
villa want 25m
we'll meet them in the middle with 20m
some people will no doubt shudder at a 20m fee but as I said I'm rather have 20m on the left of our (frankly rubbish left hand side) then sitting in an american bank. I don't think we'll get mata and going for n'zog is going for a player that isn't kenny's first choice.
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I'd rather we have your wisdom and knowledge on this board, than in the LFC Director's board!
So far so good.....
Money doesn't grow on trees lads...
Define "everything we can". We *can* agree to pay £25 mill.for Downing but I don't think that deal would make sense.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44931.msg1362316#msg1362316 date=1310212887]
If he's Kennys first choice as LW, then we should certainly do everything we can to get him. We've been down the road of going for cheaper 2nd options for far to many times, it never works out.
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exactly. kenny has drawn up his plans and has identified downing to address problems we have on our left hand side (and we do have problems on our left hand side) so deliver the player that kenny wants. downing has to force the issue with a transfer request.
all this seems very familiar just exchange the name 'barry' with 'downing'
If he's Kennys first choice as LW, then we should certainly do everything we can to get him. We've been down the road of going for cheaper 2nd options for far to many times, it never works out.
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exactly. kenny has drawn up his plans and has identified downing to address problems we have on our left hand side (and we do have problems on our left hand side) so deliver the player that kenny wants. downing has to force the issue with a transfer request.
all this seems very familiar just exchange the name 'barry' with 'downing'
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=44931.msg1362319#msg1362319 date=1310213384]
Define "everything we can". We *can* agree to pay £25 mill.for Downing but I don't think that deal would make sense.
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we came in with a low fee, villa have countered with a high fee, now both parties need to work out a deal.
Define "everything we can". We *can* agree to pay £25 mill.for Downing but I don't think that deal would make sense.
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we came in with a low fee, villa have countered with a high fee, now both parties need to work out a deal.
£15 mill.wasn't a low offer for the player concerned. I'd want change from £20 mill.for him.
From the Guardian. Love the Stanley Devasting and Luka Modric comments..
The summer transfer window is the most obvious example of football's refusal ever to stop happening. Even when it's not technically happening: it is in fact still happening, so much so that football is now one of those elements that are always there, like the weather or traffic or our communal hunger for toggled brown leather corner sofas, a yearning that must apparently be serviced constantly by a network of hangar-sized out-of-town warehouses.
Most of this week's transfer rumour stories have centred on familiar figures. Luka Modric may or may not be going to Chelsea. Either way he will continue to resemble a small boy dressed up as a witch, and to run with a football at his feet so naturally you feel without it he wouldn't be able to move at all and would simply sit down and mope like a kangaroo with an empty pouch. Samir Nasri wants to leave Arsenal in order to earn more money. And Cesc Fábregas could finally be going to Barcelona, albeit this saga has dragged on for so long Fábregas himself has begun to resemble a sickly one-legged dog being tearfully rehomed on daytime TV.
Perhaps the most interesting story is the proposed £19m transfer of Stewart Downing to Liverpool, a move that has been greeted by some Liverpool fans with a shrug and by many as conclusive proof of the "English premium" clubs must pay for underpowered domestic maybes. This is a depressing reaction. Downing is the most undervalued of English footballers: intelligent, scuttlingly forceful and with some refined touches in his versatile left foot. He is an unusual English footballer in other ways too. Mainly because he seems to be getting better rather than worse with age, and fitter rather than more raddled with booze and knee?snap. Going against the trend, he is also slightly better rather than slightly worse than he's cracked up to be.
Despite this Downing is still seen as a peculiarly depressing figure. Why is this? Undoubtedly he has a terrible name. Stewart Downing. Downing. Down. Ing. If only he could have been called Stewart Davis or Steve Dawning or Stanley Devastating he might have sounded more like a compelling athletic force and less like a travelling paperclip salesman or the pale boy at school who used to be sick a lot and cry in PE.
It isn't the name, though. Downing is a player cursed by association with the failings of others. At this point it is time to broach another subject. We need to talk about Steve McClaren. It's time. Those years, McLaren's England interlude, still seem hazy and smudged, a buried shame. There are players who have never quite recovered, the ones who emerged in a trickle to augment the wretched "Golden Generation" and who have since lost their way or remain burdened by the memories. We might even call these players the Ginger Generation.
David Bentley would perhaps have gone wonky in any event but he took his first wrong turn as a strainingly mimetic Ginger Generation David Beckham. Then there is the issue of Darren Bent's Air of Lingering Crapness. This is entirely undeserved. Bent is a fine player but he will continue to carry his Air of Lingering Crapness, conjured in the first instance by that famous missed chance against Croatia at Wembley, a muff granted premature howler status and then crystallised into a chemical stain, the Air of Lingering Crapness that – despite repeatedly proving his worth – Bent retains.
There are others. I believe Steven Gerrard was destabilised during this period by his match-winning performance away to Andorra, where the notion took hold that through the power of running furiously he could become invincible in an England shirt, creating ultimately the tortured arm-waggling stickman of the last World Cup.
McClaren did at least have ideas, a sense of tactical fluidity (disastrously fluid: but still fluid) and an air of the cautious internationalist. Would England really be in any worse a position now if he had been allowed to learn on the job, to sharpen his guileless good intentions? Probably they would, but the fact remains the England team are essentially on hold under Fabio Capello and will only begin to be interesting again when they are presided over by a crazed, touchy, flailing Englishman wreathed in deliciously poignant passions.
McClaren may be too far gone to rehabilitate fully just yet, but Downing – his protege at Middlesbrough, the poster boy for the Ginger Generation and surely the only tyro England international to be booed while warming up – deserves a second viewing. He is at least realistic. Downing is what we can do right now. He's not a peripheral jinker, a pretend Iberian. He's not a thigh?flexing warrior of the skies, the kind of muscular English centre-forward whose ideal incarnation appears to be Brian Blessed's chest-beating birdman character in Flash Gordon.
With Downing McClaren had a sensible idea: building a team around neat, skilful, hard-working players rather than false prophets and self?propelling celebrities. Downing would also be a smart buy for Kenny Dalglish: with a few more goals maybe even a Ray Houghton-ish team man, protector on the right of the blindly rampaging Glen Johnson. Give him a chance. Enjoy his craft and his energy. Bury the old shame. Give us all a break
The summer transfer window is the most obvious example of football's refusal ever to stop happening. Even when it's not technically happening: it is in fact still happening, so much so that football is now one of those elements that are always there, like the weather or traffic or our communal hunger for toggled brown leather corner sofas, a yearning that must apparently be serviced constantly by a network of hangar-sized out-of-town warehouses.
Most of this week's transfer rumour stories have centred on familiar figures. Luka Modric may or may not be going to Chelsea. Either way he will continue to resemble a small boy dressed up as a witch, and to run with a football at his feet so naturally you feel without it he wouldn't be able to move at all and would simply sit down and mope like a kangaroo with an empty pouch. Samir Nasri wants to leave Arsenal in order to earn more money. And Cesc Fábregas could finally be going to Barcelona, albeit this saga has dragged on for so long Fábregas himself has begun to resemble a sickly one-legged dog being tearfully rehomed on daytime TV.
Perhaps the most interesting story is the proposed £19m transfer of Stewart Downing to Liverpool, a move that has been greeted by some Liverpool fans with a shrug and by many as conclusive proof of the "English premium" clubs must pay for underpowered domestic maybes. This is a depressing reaction. Downing is the most undervalued of English footballers: intelligent, scuttlingly forceful and with some refined touches in his versatile left foot. He is an unusual English footballer in other ways too. Mainly because he seems to be getting better rather than worse with age, and fitter rather than more raddled with booze and knee?snap. Going against the trend, he is also slightly better rather than slightly worse than he's cracked up to be.
Despite this Downing is still seen as a peculiarly depressing figure. Why is this? Undoubtedly he has a terrible name. Stewart Downing. Downing. Down. Ing. If only he could have been called Stewart Davis or Steve Dawning or Stanley Devastating he might have sounded more like a compelling athletic force and less like a travelling paperclip salesman or the pale boy at school who used to be sick a lot and cry in PE.
It isn't the name, though. Downing is a player cursed by association with the failings of others. At this point it is time to broach another subject. We need to talk about Steve McClaren. It's time. Those years, McLaren's England interlude, still seem hazy and smudged, a buried shame. There are players who have never quite recovered, the ones who emerged in a trickle to augment the wretched "Golden Generation" and who have since lost their way or remain burdened by the memories. We might even call these players the Ginger Generation.
David Bentley would perhaps have gone wonky in any event but he took his first wrong turn as a strainingly mimetic Ginger Generation David Beckham. Then there is the issue of Darren Bent's Air of Lingering Crapness. This is entirely undeserved. Bent is a fine player but he will continue to carry his Air of Lingering Crapness, conjured in the first instance by that famous missed chance against Croatia at Wembley, a muff granted premature howler status and then crystallised into a chemical stain, the Air of Lingering Crapness that – despite repeatedly proving his worth – Bent retains.
There are others. I believe Steven Gerrard was destabilised during this period by his match-winning performance away to Andorra, where the notion took hold that through the power of running furiously he could become invincible in an England shirt, creating ultimately the tortured arm-waggling stickman of the last World Cup.
McClaren did at least have ideas, a sense of tactical fluidity (disastrously fluid: but still fluid) and an air of the cautious internationalist. Would England really be in any worse a position now if he had been allowed to learn on the job, to sharpen his guileless good intentions? Probably they would, but the fact remains the England team are essentially on hold under Fabio Capello and will only begin to be interesting again when they are presided over by a crazed, touchy, flailing Englishman wreathed in deliciously poignant passions.
McClaren may be too far gone to rehabilitate fully just yet, but Downing – his protege at Middlesbrough, the poster boy for the Ginger Generation and surely the only tyro England international to be booed while warming up – deserves a second viewing. He is at least realistic. Downing is what we can do right now. He's not a peripheral jinker, a pretend Iberian. He's not a thigh?flexing warrior of the skies, the kind of muscular English centre-forward whose ideal incarnation appears to be Brian Blessed's chest-beating birdman character in Flash Gordon.
With Downing McClaren had a sensible idea: building a team around neat, skilful, hard-working players rather than false prophets and self?propelling celebrities. Downing would also be a smart buy for Kenny Dalglish: with a few more goals maybe even a Ray Houghton-ish team man, protector on the right of the blindly rampaging Glen Johnson. Give him a chance. Enjoy his craft and his energy. Bury the old shame. Give us all a break
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=44931.msg1362323#msg1362323 date=1310213628]
£15 mill.wasn't a low offer for the player concerned. I'd want change from £20 mill.for him.
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12p?
£15 mill.wasn't a low offer for the player concerned. I'd want change from £20 mill.for him.
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12p?
Make it 15 and we can talk. 😉
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=44931.msg1362327#msg1362327 date=1310214006]
Make it 15 and we can talk. 😉
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15p doesn't even buy crisps anymore 😉
Make it 15 and we can talk. 😉
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15p doesn't even buy crisps anymore 😉
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Kenny would be wrong to spend £16M+ on Downing. The fact that he's Kenny's first choice shouldn't mean we become irresponsible. For all the good Kenny has done, he is still far from infallible, and just because Kenny wants him doesn't mean we all should too.
It's time to walk away.
It's time to walk away.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=44931.msg1362330#msg1362330 date=1310214151]
Kenny would be wrong to spend £16M+ on Downing. The fact that he's Kenny's first choice shouldn't mean we become irresponsible.
For all the good Kenny has done, he is still far from infallible, and just because Kenny wants him doesn't mean we all should too.
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has going for our second choice ever worked out for us?
Kenny would be wrong to spend £16M+ on Downing. The fact that he's Kenny's first choice shouldn't mean we become irresponsible.
For all the good Kenny has done, he is still far from infallible, and just because Kenny wants him doesn't mean we all should too.
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has going for our second choice ever worked out for us?
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44931.msg1362316#msg1362316 date=1310212887]
If he's Kennys first choice as LW, then we should certainly do everything we can to get him. We've been down the road of going for cheaper 2nd options for far to many times, it never works out.
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Buying decent players for about twice what they're worth never works out either.
If Downing is Kenny's first choice then Kenny needs his head examined
If he's Kennys first choice as LW, then we should certainly do everything we can to get him. We've been down the road of going for cheaper 2nd options for far to many times, it never works out.
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Buying decent players for about twice what they're worth never works out either.
If Downing is Kenny's first choice then Kenny needs his head examined
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