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At the moment we need someone who can help wipe the defence's arse, because them and the keepers are all over the shop at the moment. If the defence sorts itself out, probably not, Lucas will do. If they continue pissing around, we could do with competition for Lucas, and that's not steely Allen.
We need 2 CMs who are willing to put a foot in, as well as attack. So far we don't really. Gerrard can't do that performance weekly, lucas lets people past him too easily, shelvey is too attack minded and inconsistent, Allen seems weak. The only one who seems capable of the performance consistently Atm is hendo.
Yes definitely, it wouldn't be a problem if we had a young lad pushing towards the first team who could do the job but I don't see anyone up to it.
We let Jay go on loan, probably rightly so. We've now got a less than 100% Lucas and lost his backup, nevermind that I'm not even sure Lucas is actually that good. He was excellent but was it a random burst of form?
No we don't. We have the players to dig in and commit viscious fouls already. The problem is we only play that way against big teams and end up getting fucked by them and the referee for our stupidity. Then against the little teams we play suicidal attacking tactics and get fucked as well.
What we need is consistent tactics. Or if not, even reversing the polarity of our existing tactics would help greatly. Words fail me that out of those four possibilities and permutations, Rodgers picks the one that causes the most fuck.
What we need is consistent tactics. Or if not, even reversing the polarity of our existing tactics would help greatly. Words fail me that out of those four possibilities and permutations, Rodgers picks the one that causes the most fuck.
I dont think we do no. The problem is that if you are looking at pure actual proper class players, we only have 3.
And if all 3 dont play we struggle.
You dont need a DM as such you just need better and better players.
There are currently question marks over Reina, Enrique, Skrtel, Lucas, Allen, Henderson, Downing, Sterling etc and with half your team 'erm' ropey you will always struggle.
If Lucas and Gerrard played deep and we have a top AM we dont need a DM. Problem the is we have no strength in depth.
And if all 3 dont play we struggle.
You dont need a DM as such you just need better and better players.
There are currently question marks over Reina, Enrique, Skrtel, Lucas, Allen, Henderson, Downing, Sterling etc and with half your team 'erm' ropey you will always struggle.
If Lucas and Gerrard played deep and we have a top AM we dont need a DM. Problem the is we have no strength in depth.
I have no idea Rosco but I'm really flattered that you value my opinion enough to ask.
Don't you hate Lucas?
... and you've been right for ages
I'm not convinced by the concept of a defensive midfielder. The defence should be able to look after themselves without some guy hanging around in front of them trying to protect them. In my opinion midfielders should be able to both defend and attack. When Benitez used to play Lucas and Mascherano together against weak opposition, I always felt that it was like taking to the field with 9 men just to even it up a bit.
A purist's view which the likes of the Manchester clubs and Chelsea can afford but not, I'd suggest, a pragmatic one. In our current situation we have to sign somewhat younger and/or less established players and get them to play above themselves. While we're still in the process of doing that, a DM - provided he's of the right quality (oh for another Masher) - can be very useful. I agree the point about playing Lucas and Masher together (there was no need for the former as long as El Jefecito was on the pitch) but I don't think it's altogether relevant.
He looked alot better in his last game, but he needs to get back to what he was like last season and build on it.
I still feel we lack power and athleticism in the middle of the park though, whoever plays.
Id say we need a leader in the defensive unit more than a specialist defensive midfielder. We are all over the place at the back, there is no organisation what so ever. We have some decent individual defenders but they dont play well as a unit and can be badly exposed at times, the 2nd goal at Old Trafford recently was about as badly organised a defence as you will ever see. A 26 year old Sami Hyppia type would solve most of our problems at the back, unfortunately I dont know of any that are available
I hate defensive midfielders; it's a modern phenomenon which is an excuse to include athleticism, cynicism and negativity into a team instead of creativity, skill and attacking impetus.
However, if we're going to play one, we need a new one as Lucas (as good as any DM around according to some) is starting to see the gap between the number of good games he's played for us (about 5) as opposed to his total number of games (about 200) widen each passing Saturday.
However, if we're going to play one, we need a new one as Lucas (as good as any DM around according to some) is starting to see the gap between the number of good games he's played for us (about 5) as opposed to his total number of games (about 200) widen each passing Saturday.
Utd cope without a DM.. and have done for years.. Carrick ain't exactly world class either...
We just need to get our attack looking sharp.. and play the game that they play..
If you score we will just score more..
With all these wingers and attackers coming in things are heading in the right direction.. These things take time..
We just need to get our attack looking sharp.. and play the game that they play..
If you score we will just score more..
With all these wingers and attackers coming in things are heading in the right direction.. These things take time..
Yes - I think we do - even if for cover & competition for Lucas - we don't currently have a player, other than Lucas, who can protect the defence & breakup opposition attacks.
Like I said earlier - we might need this to be our Roy Keane moment - the player to drive the team through sheer tenacity to achieve and someone not afraid to get stuck in.
Like I said earlier - we might need this to be our Roy Keane moment - the player to drive the team through sheer tenacity to achieve and someone not afraid to get stuck in.
I think we do but it's not the main issue.
As RedStar, Oncey and others have pointed out in other threads we lack mental fortitude and a winning mentality. Suarez has it, Gerrard and Carra used to have it but they look like beaten men these days. Who else? Perhaps Sturridge. You could make a case for Johnson. That's it really.
That's just not good enough and I don't really know where the problem lies. Is it the general mood around the club? The fact that the manager doesn't inspire that kind of confidence? Not sure.
The likes of Utd, Everton and Spurs to varying degrees are where they are because the manager is able to put out a team that is greater than the sum of it's parts. At Liverpool, successive managers often seem to go the other way and end up with teams that are worse than the sum of it's parts - or at best, just about the equal if *everything* works out as it should. Why the fuck is that?
As RedStar, Oncey and others have pointed out in other threads we lack mental fortitude and a winning mentality. Suarez has it, Gerrard and Carra used to have it but they look like beaten men these days. Who else? Perhaps Sturridge. You could make a case for Johnson. That's it really.
That's just not good enough and I don't really know where the problem lies. Is it the general mood around the club? The fact that the manager doesn't inspire that kind of confidence? Not sure.
The likes of Utd, Everton and Spurs to varying degrees are where they are because the manager is able to put out a team that is greater than the sum of it's parts. At Liverpool, successive managers often seem to go the other way and end up with teams that are worse than the sum of it's parts - or at best, just about the equal if *everything* works out as it should. Why the fuck is that?
The only reason we seem to have a team worse than the sum of its parts is because LFC fans always overrate those parts, our players.
We may overrate some of our own and underrate players at other clubs but I don't think we do it to the extent that it fully explains away what we see on the pitch.
Take Spurs over the last couple of years. They've got some very good players but also a bunch of average or 'just decent' ones. The difference is that they all come together and actually look like a team rather than a collection of individuals trying to muddle their way through a game.
Take Spurs over the last couple of years. They've got some very good players but also a bunch of average or 'just decent' ones. The difference is that they all come together and actually look like a team rather than a collection of individuals trying to muddle their way through a game.
People can say what they want about Henderson and the way he was last year, but he's looked hungry for it the last few months, he looks like he gives a shit and he covers more ground than anyone in midfield and does have the ability to put his foot on the ball and play it. I'd give him an extended go alongside Lucas.
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