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Dirk Kuyt Appreciation Thread

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2 wrongs don't make a right. i don't like our transfers in any more than you do, but never signing or selling anyone again is hardly the solution. changing who made those decisions in the first place might be.

I'd argue that Kuyt is not a problem that needs sorting. He was our most clinical player last year and one of the most clinical in Europe. Your post said that we'd have been better10m for him when that would have clearly weakened us. Now we'd only get 1m. I don't see the point.
 
Thank you. No interest whatsoever in being anything other than negative. At least you're being open about it.

Eh? What would you spend this 1m plus wages on? I'm saying you couldn't possibly improve on Kuyt, That's not negative, that's fact. You haven't offered anything in argument, just said I'm wrong.
 
I'd argue that Kuyt is not a problem that needs sorting. He was our most clinical player last year and one of the most clinical in Europe. Your post said that we'd have been better10m for him when that would have clearly weakened us. Now we'd only get 1m. I don't see the point.

what i'm pointing out is that the 2 years he's depreciated by £10m (approx) i don't think we're getting £5m a year worth of service from - it's bad business. to take my example (optimisitc, but run with it) we could've replaced him with Hazard, a better player, at half the annual cost. obviously such a policy is no good without some kind of judgement (Henderson, Carroll) but then that goes for any policy. it still seems sound planning to me.
 
what i'm pointing out is that the 2 years he's depreciated by £10m (approx) i don't think we're getting £5m a year worth of service from - it's bad business. to take my example (optimisitc, but run with it) we could've replaced him with Hazard, a better player, at half the annual cost. obviously such a policy is no good without some kind of judgement (Henderson, Carroll) but then so does any policy. it still seems sound planning to me.

It's also impossible given that Hazard didn't move anywhere, not because clubs didn't bid but because he wasn't for sale, and when he does move he'll be getting stupid Man City type wages and the maths will go to shit.
 
oh, and i'd agree with you about selling Kuyt now, btw. that's my whole point - we missed the boat. i can't really see how we'd do better with the £1m plus, what, half(?) his wages we wouldn't have to pay to a replacement.
 
But even two years ago... the other problem with the argument is that we would have lost one of the top players in Europe last season, certainly in terms of shots to goals, certainly considering where he played for most of the season.

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It's also impossible given that Hazard didn't move anywhere, not because clubs didn't bid but because he wasn't for sale, and when he does move he'll be getting stupid Man City type wages and the maths will go to shit.

like i said, not a realistic example, just one off the top of my head. alright, what about Ben Arfa? cost £5m, over 4 years or so to 28 that'd be £1m a year, or 20% of the annual cost of Kuyt since 2010.
 
Yeah, I think we should be buying top quality young players for the kind of money Newcastle seem to be getting away with. Absolutely. I still wouldn't have sold one of the best players we've got in the meantime, coz, well, like, er, Ben Arfa bust his leg for a start and we need a good squad. I think that if we want to be working within our means we shouldn't buy loads of shite players for huge transfer fees. I mean Kuyt only cost us about 10 didn't he? If we could have spent last year's 80 million on half a dozen players as good as him instead of on the crap we did we wouldn't be having this debate.
 
But even two years ago... the other problem with the argument is that we would have lost one of the top players in Europe last season, certainly in terms of shots to goals, certainly considering where he played for most of the season.

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well certainly with such an approach there'd be a trade-off between short-term and long-term success, but still definitely worth it unless you have money to burn, which we clearly haven't, and if you're in any case in a rebuilding phase, which we clearly were/are.
 
Remember when everyone kicked off over Rafa's "treatment" of big Sami?

Well, Dalglish's 'treatment' of Kuyt has been every bit worse.
 
Eh? What would you spend this 1m plus wages on? I'm saying you couldn't possibly improve on Kuyt, That's not negative, that's fact. You haven't offered anything in argument, just said I'm wrong.

Raheem improves that postion without spending a penny.
 
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