Director of Football is....
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johnson is a success not a failure.
Thats HUGELY debatable.
Success is relative surely
We struggle on the wings, we stink in the engine room, we have strikers that can't score from even the penalty spot, and we have have a goalie that cant catch a fucking beach ball. Please please please realize that we actually do have quite good fullbacks. Two of them. They are more than good enough... Lets fix things elsewhere.
Interesting. I wonder whether FSG didn't get whichever DOF they most wanted, and then decided it was more important to get a manager they wanted rather than lose him through insisting on the appointment of a DOF they didn't really want. If so, that seems sensible to me.
I too am hoping that Rodgers made such a compelling argument for him to be appointed manager that FSG were prepared to set aside their plan for the DOF and the management structure they had envisaged, to bring him aboard on his terms.
The alternative is too horrible to envisage.
I'm just hoping they were open to suggestion JJ and not fixated on the setup, as many on here insisted they were. At then end of the day, they can't have been that set on it because they've compromised on the idea.
People have said they don't know what they are doing, FSG said they've taken advice from different people in the game, they're trying to learn. In one respect you have posters saying that they are naive, they are trying to shoehorn a method into the club when they know nothing about football, then on the other hand you have people saying they look amateurish for learning as they go along, by speaking to people, by taking on board advice they are given and ultimately, by being open to ideas and not being stubborn and set in their ways.
The main thing is that the people they appoint are right, the structure is neither here nor there, providing the manager has both the support required AND the trust of those around him to be able to let him make decisions, without having to converse and agree with 3rd and 4th parties.
Guillem Balague @GuillemBalague
If the 1 week old conversation between Beguiristain and LFC end up well, the marriage will be exciting. But not sure it's what FSG want now
If the 1 week old conversation between Beguiristain and LFC end up well, the marriage will be exciting. But not sure it's what FSG want now
Guillem Balague @GuillemBalague
The intetest for Beguiristain from LFC has cooled down drastically. At the moment, it looks like he won't help Brendan next season
The intetest for Beguiristain from LFC has cooled down drastically. At the moment, it looks like he won't help Brendan next season
Obviously. Brendan will not likely allow any influential figure to be appointed and undermine his power. It will be just a technical position now, whatever it's called. Someone of Beguiristain's peigree will also not want to report to a 39 old former manager of Swansea.
It looks like you're making this up as you go Guillem, you fucking nonce.
Most likely all the managers who we wanted (Martinez/Rodgers) woudnt work with a dof so club have changed their whole Proposed structure
Sorry if this has been discussed before. Given our blunder on last day of transfer window, does anyone think we would have done better with a director of football?
While Brendan said he won't work under a sporting director, does it make any difference working with people like Ayre?
While Brendan said he won't work under a sporting director, does it make any difference working with people like Ayre?
The problem, at least for us outsiders, is that we've been told so little, so vaguely, about the process whereby various unnamed advisors 'assist' in the process we just don't know how on earth it really works, so when the end result is a great signing we'll probably presume it's an unknown yet good set up, and when we don't sign any strikers and allow one to go we all presume it's a shambles. You can't really blame people for such responses. Unless FSG explain precisely who does what and how the actual system works, they can't complain if they get flak now. Whether it's a committee, a DofF or whatever/whoever, that doesn't matter so much as transparency - if we were allowed to know the details we'd be better positioned to support the system.
Sheik Yerbouti has left the site?
Yep. About a month ago I think.
A huge loss and a real shame
That's the problem isn't it? When we don't have a director of football, but our upper management is still acting like one. No one know who's actually calling the shot.
When Brendan said he couldn't work with one, but it seems like he's working with two, or more now.
Liverpool's Brendan Rodgers expects 'terrific job' from new scouts
- Andy Hunter
- guardian.co.uk, Friday 14 September 2012 22.30 BST
Liverpool's manager Brendan Rodgers during training at Melwood in preparation for the match at Sunderland. Photograph: John Powell/Liverpool FC via Getty Images
Brendan Rodgers believes one of the main causes of Liverpool's calamitous end to the transfer window has been resolved with the appointment of a new scouting team at Anfield.
The Liverpool manager had admitted there were "operational issues we need to sort out" with the club's owners after loaning Andy Carroll to West Ham United then failing on deadline day to land Clint Dempsey. One has since been addressed with the arrival from Manchester City of Dave Fallows as head of scouting and recruitment, together with Barry Hunter, formerly City's chief scout for Italy, Russia and Switzerland.
Fallows and Hunter, who were approached by Liverpool before Rodgers's appointment as manager, were placed on gardening leave by City and able to commence work at Anfield only after the close of the transfer window.
The Liverpool manager concedes the Dempsey deal would still have collapsed had his scouting team been installed earlier as "availability and affordability" ultimately determine whether a player is signed.
But Rodgers, who insists his say is final on transfer targets, is confident Liverpool have corrected a major flaw from their approach to the last transfer window. He said: "I've had long chats with the owners. Our scouting team wasn't in place. I've seen one or two things written about a technical team but every football club has a technical team. Let's not say we are trying to reinvent the wheel here. We had a manager but we didn't have a scouting department. Thankfully those guys have now come in and hopefully they'll do a terrific job.
"Operationally these are things we needed to sort out as well as learning from the process. It's a new manager, working with a new group of people. I'm sure the owners will have gone away and reflected on things. We had a couple of good conversations with them, and we learn from that and move on."
Rodgers and Hunter were at Reading together and, despite not instigating the arrivals, the manager insisted: "They were appointments I was fully aware of. I've known Barry for a long time and Dave also. Dave was already in the offing to come here. From Dave's position, he would only accept the job if someone like myself was coming in."
The head of analytics, Michael Edwards, remains part of the team around Rodgers. The manager, seeking his first league win with Liverpool at Sunderland on Saturday, added: "I can only repeat what I said when I came here – I'm not a power freak. I don't need to do everything on my own. The modern-day manager can't do that. But you have the final say on players, there's absolutely no question about that. If I want a player and we can't afford it, that's a different matter. Then it comes back to availability and affordability."
Rodgers has also claimed Liverpool will not rush to reward Raheem Sterling with a new contract, although the promising winger is expected to sign an improved deal when he turns 18 in December. Sterling was called into the England squad against Ukraine by Roy Hodgson, purely for the experience, but that has not altered the manager's handling of the talented teenager.
"After I spoke to Roy Hodgson and I had got through to Raheem, my next call was to his agent," the Liverpool manager said. "I wanted to let him know the news was coming out but to make sure that he wasn't jumping in the car up to Liverpool to have a chat with me when it did. I want to manage the expectation of the kid. The last thing we need is an announcement he has signed a five-year contract after two games. There has been dialogue between me, Raheem and the agent, and that has been it. There has been nothing official. The biggest thing that distorts the reality of people and footballers is money. I worked with players at Swansea who had spent their lives in football and not earned more than two grand a week. Now you are seeing young players who are multi-millionaires. No matter what you say, it takes the edge off them. The point I have made to Raheem – and he has been brilliant, to be fair – is that he will earn it. He will be rewarded in time."
"Our scouting team wasn't in place. "
That strikes me as outrageous. The one thing I wouldn't have criticised Comolli for was that. He clearly worked hard on that aspect and as far as I know made great strides in changing the set-up world-wide. We had new relationships established in South America. We had arrangements with smaller clubs in several countries. We had major changes in personnel as far as our team was concerned. And yet now it 'wasn't in place'? Absolutely gobsmacking.
Th scouting setup is a baffling issue. We heard Rafa mentioned how he shook things up - Paco Herrera etc. Comolli claimed the same. There are so many times we fans sit and watch signings made and wonder how come we didn't certain players. It will be nice for us to pick up shrewd, good signings on a consistent basis, thanks to the work of the scouting department, for a change.
On a sidenote, who brought in David Fallows then? FSG?
On a sidenote, who brought in David Fallows then? FSG?
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