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Depression

My mum suffered quite severely with depression and anxiety when I was younger. All of it began when she had a stomach ulcer and was told she would have to stay in for some sort of treatment. She worried herself into a state of panic over something very routine. This panic lasted almost 5 years and she was admitted into a psychiatric hospital on a couple of occasions. I will never forget one particular time when I was about 14 and she was in the depths and was in floods of tears knowing she was going to be admitted again, begging me to help her. I felt so useless and really didn't know how to handle it. To be honest I was embarrassed by the whole situation, as cuntish as that sounds, and never spoke to any of my friends about it ever. I just bottled it all in and never spoke a word. In fact none of my friends knew about it until 2 years ago when I randomly told then almost 10 years later. It felt amazing to get it out and speak about it and they actually had similar experiences although not as close to home.

My mum is off medication now and seems to be her old self, but there are days when you can tell she is not right. Watching her overcome her troubles to the extent she has made me appreciate how strong a bloody woman she is and my admiration for her cannot be measured.

Approximately two years ago I was working a shitty full time job in an office with no prospects. Although I liked the people in the job and it was easy I knew I had no future in this basic admin job. One day I was on the way to work and my mind was racing and I went in and sat down and couldn't think straight. I was getting really warm and could feel my face burning up and getting really short of breath. I went to the toilet and felt really dizzy on the way and splashed cold water on my face but on the way back I was hit with a sharp pain in my stomach which rose to my chest, it felt tight and caused me to double up. I was so embarrassed as I had to hobble over to the manager and somehow tell him what was going on. I was sent home and my mum asked me what had happened, I just passed it off as something else. The same thing happened about two weeks later and my manager rang my mum to come and get me as he was worried. I had to explain to my mum what happened and she was adamant that I'd had a panic attack. She was trying to get me to go to the doctors for months when eventually I decided that if it was a panic attack the cause could only be my job.

So I am now back at uni, studying a course which I like and I'm doing well. If what I had were panic attacks I hope to god it's the last I ever see of them. It is a bastard of an illness.

Good luck to anyone suffering. With strength and support you can get through it.
 
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=47687.msg1433668#msg1433668 date=1322467187]
I think it's really important more people understand more about depression. A number of people have commented in the Gary Speed thread about how he couldnhave done such a thing to his wife and kids.

Once you've been diagnosed with depression, doctors and counsellors ask everytime they see you if you've had any thoughts aboutnself-harm or taking your own life. The first few times I was asked, I said I hadn't.

But then at one of my sessions with my counsellor, she told me about risk-taking which is very common amongst people with depression. You think you're invincible (nothing to lose?) and start taking risks you wouldn't usually take. Your mind blocks everything else out - the risk itself, the danger or hurt you're exposing your loved ones to, everything goes and you plough in with taking your risk.

This struck a chord for me because a few days prior, I was driving at night on an open motorway...not a car to be seen ahead or behind...and i just decided to see how fast i could go. Believe me, i was absolutely flying. Then all of a sudden i realised if i flipped the car, i was a deadman, no chance of surviving at the speed i was going. I got one hell of a fright.

When i told my counsellor she said this was very common and one of the risks they always look out for. With many suicides, the person involved perhaps hasn't tried to take their own life, they've just tried to see how far they can go and then something has gone wrong and they've suffered a terrible accident.

Either way, the experts say that at the point of suicide, the last thing on the person's mind is their family...so it's not so selfish afterall.
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Yeah, my mum has suffered with depression all of her adult life (and continues to do so), and has taken numerous overdoses, and even slit her wrist on one occasion. My brother found her in the bath.

When she tried to take her own life, she honestly thought she'd be doing us all a favour. That's what depression does to you - it takes normal, rational people, and robs them of all perspective. It creates a cycle of self-loathing that is almost self-perpetuating. The more you do things that hurt your family, the more you hate yourself. No amount of telling that person you love them and forgive them seems to work - such is their demeanor that they will always convince themselves that you're just saying it to be nice, or whatever.

I must admit to being incredibly frustrated over the years by her inability to mend herself. She has had to put up with a fair bit in her life, but for a while I struggled to get my head around how such a rational human being could regress so badly. At her worst, all ability to reason goes out of the window, and she becomes what can only be described as a frightened, disobedient child (her depression largely stems from her childhood, or lack thereof, so the fact that she becomes this child is very probably connected). In conjunction with heavy drinking and frequent overdoes, it is a remarkable (and often quite horrifying) transformation.

She fell seriously ill with a Brain disease recently, and depression continues to threaten her recovery. It's almost like the more sentient and aware of her condition she becomes, the more the depression returns. She suffered another setback recently and it has taken her progress (in terms of cognitive function) back somewhat. Which in turn has meant that the depression has subsided a little. So it almost becomes a choice between having someone who isn't quite all there, but is nevertheless fairly content, or someone who is perfectly self-aware, but hopelessly depressed. I'm really not sure which one I prefer. It really is such a horrible illness, and one that affects so many lives, not just the sufferers. I have not suffered with depression myself, but there's no doubt it has played a significant part in my life.

To all those in this thread who are suffering, congratulations on being bold enough to speak about it, and face your depression head on. Everyone's situation is unique, but I'm sure there are many things we can all relate to here, and such displays of honesty and strength offer inspiration, and perhaps a bit of solace, to those who feel alone right now.

I'll just finish on something I said to my mum some years ago. Just try and love yourself like the rest of us love you. Best of luck guys.
 
When something is wrong with your body, it is accesible, you can test it, measure it, and determine a specific diagnose of what the illness is. And then a specific treatment for it.

However, the brain is not as well understood or accessible. I'm sure just like the body, there are very specific illnesses characterised by something happening in your brain. However there is no means to easily test that. Instead the doctor is reduced to you telling him or her about various symptoms, and they subsequently bunch all of them together and call it "depression". I'm sure depression is actually made up of lots of different individual illnesses which have very little relation to each other.

I mean you have depression. I have aspergers syndrom. But we share an awful lot of these little individual illnesses in common because we have really really similar symptoms. So saying someone has "depression" or "Aspergers" is just a really crude approximation. It's no wonder different drugs work or don't work for different people. Because even though you all have depression, you don't all share the same underlying illnesses. I'm sure also that depression has a genetic component to it, just like autism does.

The unfortunate thing is the way people look at it. I am actually pround to have aspergers, I like that part of me and would never change it or get treatment. Even though I get exhausted, lose energy, suicidal thoughts, insomnia, not leaving my room... despite that there's still a sense of self pride with aspergers. I feel sad that people with those same symptoms but labelled with depression have a negative attitude attached to their problem. I think that makes it worse and stops you from coping cos it just feeds back into itself and you get worse and worse.

I can list half a dozen postive and brilliant things I get from having aspergers. And I love those things and they help me cope with the bad stuff. Surely depression can't be that different? It's just difference in your brain compared to a neurotypical brain. Are you telling me those differences are all negative, every single one of them? That there is no postive aspect to depression at all? I think if people didn't immeadiately jump to the negative things that depression causes, it will give the sufferes a chance to focus on things which make them better. And you can hold on to those and cope with the bad stuff.

If you tell someone that what is wrong with them is just bad bad bad and more bad. a) its false. and b) it makes it impossible to cope. If I had to guess I'd say depressed people never take a their happy days for granted. And they have the ability to remember those days so vividly. You can make people stop and realise how beautiful something is which they don't notice otherwise. Then in your thoughts you can start coping by saying well, I had to suffer all those dark thoughts but it was worth it if I could make someone else smile in a situation they had no reason to smile in.

Of course everyting I've just said can go get fucked if I commit suicide tomorrow.
 
I've had niggling concerns I did have it, but over the last few months I've started to pick myself up from years of self loathing, wallowing and dark thoughts.

also why I often no show or am exceptionally quiet at drinkies. it's the nerves. I get nervous before I go to work sometimes, where I am watching the clock countdown until I have to get ready. I feel like I might be sick the closer it comes .

/vent
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47687.msg1433950#msg1433950 date=1322495327]
I would imagine there are plenty who aren't. Do you suffer from it Skully ?
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no, i don't. i've deffo been depressed in the past but never suicidal or anything.
 
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=47687.msg1433924#msg1433924 date=1322493285]
is anyone on this forum not suffering from depression?
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I suffer from our depressing inability from winning at home!
 
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=47687.msg1433965#msg1433965 date=1322496360]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47687.msg1433950#msg1433950 date=1322495327]
I would imagine there are plenty who aren't. Do you suffer from it Skully ?
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no, i don't. i've deffo been depressed in the past but never suicidal or anything.
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I'm not sure I've ever been clinically depressed. Certainly felt really down about things many a time but I don't think it's ever come to full blown depression. Having a shit time in work at the moment and feel really low about some stuff but I'm working on putting that right
 
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[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=47687.msg1433965#msg1433965 date=1322496360]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47687.msg1433950#msg1433950 date=1322495327]
I would imagine there are plenty who aren't. Do you suffer from it Skully ?
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no, i don't. i've deffo been depressed in the past but never suicidal or anything.
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I'm not sure I've ever been clinically depressed. Certainly felt really down about things many a time but I don't think it's ever come to full blown depression. Having a shit time in work at the moment and feel really low about some stuff but I'm working on putting that right
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i reckon that's just normal. life is a bitch sometimes.
 
I've got an absolutely amazing ability of switching off when shit starts getting to me. I don't hide from it but I just become totally devoid of any emotion or feeling on the matter, i've been told I become totally cold on things, i'll work out how im going to adapt or resolve whatever the problem is and move on from there. When juggling shitty problems I break them down and tackle them one at a time, else it just builds up and rather than getting depressed I find myself getting more angsty, mad and a bit skittish to be honest.

I'm quite methodical when shit goes wrong, I was always told when I was little you either laugh or cry when shit goes to fuck, I'll always laugh and pick myself up and march on.

*Everyones different & i'm not saying i've been through some things that some people will have but yeah, it works for me.
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47687.msg1433956#msg1433956 date=1322495707]
I've had niggling concerns I did have it, but over the last few months I've started to pick myself up from years of self loathing, wallowing and dark thoughts.

also why I often no show or am exceptionally quiet at drinkies. it's the nerves. I get nervous before I go to work sometimes, where I am watching the clock countdown until I have to get ready. I feel like I might be sick the closer it comes .

/vent
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Big bro's will look after you at next drinkies x
 
Best of luck to the lads who have spoken up about their struggles with honesty and courage. This place is great sometimes.

Spot on from Darkstar about meds too.

monsieurdantes (as ever) adds to the topic. There's an assumption in the medical model that depression is a "disease" rather than a "dis ease" with life. To take the long view, being forced down into the murky depths and deadened parts of oneself (counter-cultural to our manic search for constant happiness/youth in the West) can bring surprising benefits once the hell of it has been lived through. I've had 5 years of intensive (4 times a week) personal analysis which I experienced much as an intentional (in that I continued of my own will) breakdown/depression during which I experienced long periods of despair and acute existential anxiety. It was hellish at times and uplifting at others, but I wouldn't change it for the world now.

Dan
 
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=47687.msg1434085#msg1434085 date=1322512348]
Best of luck to the lads who have spoken up about their struggles with honesty and courage. This place is great sometimes.

Spot on from Darkstar about meds too.

monsieurdantes (as ever) adds to the topic. There's an assumption in the medical model that depression is a "disease" rather than a "dis ease" with life. To take the long view, being forced down into the murky depths and deadened parts of oneself (counter-cultural to our manic search for constant happiness/youth in the West) can bring surprising benefits once the hell of it has been lived through. I've had 5 years of intensive (4 times a week) personal analysis which I experienced much as an intentional (in that I continued of my own will) breakdown/depression during which I experienced long periods of despair and acute existential anxiety. It was hellish at times and uplifting at others, but I wouldn't change it for the world now.

Dan
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Speaking as someone who's had his share of down times (though thankfully not to the same extent as a number of others on here) I'd say that highlighted bit is what proves it was all worthwhile. I'm delighted for you that you're able to say that.
 
[quote author='Dave' link=topic=47687.msg1433726#msg1433726 date=1322478243]
Is medication really the answer?? Is it a stop gap?? Or do some people stay on the tablets forever because if they stop taking the medication the depression comes back??
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I think the medications make the lows more bearable and less negative, frequent and harmful, but I have noticed that they make the highs less so. I think that counselling is the main mechanism for dealing with depressive episodes, the medication can provide the confidence and platform to actually get you to the counsellor.
 
Firstly I really do feel for those suffering from this illness, I pray all those involved are able to make a full recovery and those affected by it because friends or family suffer or suffered from it are given patience to help them tackle the tough times.

Re me' saying it was a thin line sorry if I offended anyone I'm just trying to figure the thing out. For those affected has there been any mention of a hormonal imbalance that affects or trigger panic attacks? Though I'm
Sure it has been around for a while have cases increased recently etc?

Re Gary speed does anyone know if it was depression? I mean all I know that was reported was he was found hanged in his home. The while thing about he had everything and loved by all etc, for those on here who are suffering surely their friends and family know or have cottoned on?
It's not the Gary had everything and so no way suffered from depression thing, it's more of a he might well have done but surely family or close friends would have known? Just a little confused and trying to understand.
 
[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=47687.msg1434143#msg1434143 date=1322520600]

I think the medications make the lows more bearable and less negative, frequent and harmful, but I have noticed that they make the highs less so. I think that counselling is the main mechanism for dealing with depressive episodes, the medication can provide the confidence and platform to actually get you to the counsellor.
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This is an interesting and important point. Ive had patients mention to me on numerous occasions that their emotions are just flatter across the board, lacking the highs and lows alike. Which is one of many reasons why medication is usually not the entire solution but rather a piece of it, often the kickstarter. The problem is that so few primary care general practitioners have the specialised knowledge to do much more than prescribe an SSRI (and often do not know how to pick the one most appropriate to the specific patient. Getting referral to someone who is a mental health specialist is very very important. GPs simply dont have all the tools (and its not reasonable to expect them to).
 
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=47687.msg1434073#msg1434073 date=1322510171]
If this article is of no interest, fair enough. It is to me, so I'm posting it in case it is to anybody else: http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pmed.0020392


Best wishes to anybody who is currently suffering.


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Ive seen that article before I believe and it raises some interesting points, at least relating to the advertisement of antidepressants. I dont think anyone seriously believes that serotonin alone is involved in regulating mood. There are a whole host of neurotransmitters involved in mood and behaviour and it is no surprise that a number of medications that affect these systems different have a variety and positive and/or negative effects. Its worth nothing hat even the so-called Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors are only relatively selective. They affect serotonin far far more than other neurotransmitters but, like most drugs, they are not perfectly 'clean'. Medications affecting norepinephrine, dopamine, GABA, NMDA receptors and acetylcholine have a variety of effects from relaxation to delerium. While mental illnesses or depressions may have a number of characeristics in common, they may equally have as many differences, necessitating an individualised treatment plan.

And this is why American-style prescription medication advertising is so very very wrong. Patients go into the doctors office looking for a certain medication based on its marketing when they have no basis on which to be requesting. What worked for their friend may not work for them and may even be harmful. Psychoactive medication is a valuable tool but, like many tools, can be useless or harmful when used inappropriately or without proper guidance.
 
I have to thank the doctor that treated me.

He was probably about the same age, didn't judge me or act like a prick at all (and I've had many that did).

He supported me, understood me, and helped me, guided me to ways to manage myself. He also tackled the other issues, or tried to (high blood pressure = yes, booze intake = on a loser there).

Made the difference.
 
Good luck and best wishes to all those suffering. I hope you guys fight it and come out feeling better.
 
Has anyone seen the work Stan Collymoore is doing on twitter? Auctioning off footballing shirts etc to raise money for Depression Alliance, another example of the great work he's doing for depression awareness and I must admit my respect for him is through the roof. Great work Stan.
 
Some great contributions in here.

I unwittingly grew up with depression. My old dear, throughout her life, as long as I can remember (and probably as long as she can remember) has always been severely depressed. My old man, who is somewhat emotionally retarded (though a very decent man) was therefore perhaps not the best choice of husband when it came to the understanding and empathy stakes.

Unsurprisingly they divorced when I was 5. At that point I started to lose it a little as I bounced around schools - firstly being the only 6 year old in a 5 year olds nursery, then being the only 7 year old in the 8 year olds year. I was angry, got into fights a lot, cried a lot and very much projected the image of "victim" - resulting in a lot of bullying. This set a pattern of isolation for me, and throughout school I never really had any friends bar one, who is still my best friend to this day. When I was 7 and moved to a new school I was the only coloured kid in the entire school, and so the kids would delight in winding me up, singing Chingy Chongy Chinaman and all the other shit - they weren't really racist I think, just kids pushing another kid's buttons. But I still had an incredibly short temper, and so this would inevitably lead to fights, and seeing as I was still only just over 3 feet tall (the only kid smaller than me had spinal problems and was virtually the same size as he was when he popped out) this didn't end well for me. I regularly took a pasting off the entire class, and knew it was futile trying to make an issue of this as when I was racially abused in class the teachers would frequently laugh along. I hated the school and everybody in it, but was not allowed to change, so there I stayed.

My parents had diametrically opposing views - as far as my Mum was concerned, if ever anything went wrong then it was obviously because the school were picking on me and that the teachers had it in for me (she very much externalises her problems and blames it on her environment or the people around her, rather than it being herself). As far as my Dad was concerned I needed to work hard and do what the teachers told me (I don't think he's ever actually told me he loves me - it's not in his repertoire, it was only later in life I realised "Make sure you work hard" was his version of "Son, I love you and want you to have a happy life&quot😉

I progressed from junior to middle school, staying at the same place, not making friends, not meeting girls (it was an all boys school) and being more an more of a loner. Every now and then I would try and ingratiate myself with a new crowd, but I would always try too hard to fit in and be like them and eventually something would happen along the lines of them mocking me, me becoming resentful and angry and starting a fight or flouncing off in an overly dramatical fashion. It's fair to say I did myself no favours. I tried hanging out with my brother and his friends, smoking puff and being rebellious, but there would always come a time when the big boys didn't want me cramping their style any more (usually after I'd punched one of them in the bollocks apropos of nothing - a bewildering habit I'd picked up and still don't understand to this day).

At 13 I made my first proper friend, a kindred spirit with crazy parallels (both half Chinese, half English, born to a mother from up North and a father from far East, very similar outlooks on life, very similar experiences, same tastes in everything) - but neither of us hung out in school that much. It was almost like we didn't want the rest of them to associate us I guess, like if they put two and two together it might draw more attention to both of us or something. We'd meet up outside of school and have deep and meaningful conversations, or discuss books and films and shit, but in school we seemed to have an unspoken agreement that we wouldn't allow them to connect us.

I guess this is around the time when I started to cotton on to the fact that I was a bit different to other people. I'd never really been aware of depression or anything like that, I guess to me it was just sort of normal because it's what I'd grown up with - I hadn't really ever considered that other people didn't seem to have a Mum that was mental and did mad things, or that other people didn't struggle to make friends or talk to people or fit in. Now that I started to notice these things I guess it sort of made them worse, the issue loomed larger in my mind. I spent less time trying to ingratiate myself with people and more time thinking about why I wasn't popular. I wrote bad teenage angsty poetry. I thought about cutting myself, but stopped because it hurt. I convinced myself I'd fallen in love with our lodger and used to sit in dark rooms thinking about her and how I could never be good enough (or old enough) for her. 13-16 I spent quite a lot of time on my own, reading books, playing games, riding my bike. My bro had left home so now it was just me and Mum, who was still reeling from my brother's teenage years and consequent departure, so she was always guilt tripping me and saying stuff like "Don't go out all the time, don't be like your brother" - as if I had a choice.

Later teenage years brought more drugs, acid now and speed, and pills, which were great because when you're fucked you can talk to absolutely anybody, no matter how socially awkward you are, but on the flip side when they start to wear off all of those insecurities and hang ups become magnified tenfold. At this point I was doing quite a lot of speed, which was great to start with, cos it made you feel invincible and bouncy and when you first take it there's hardly any come down. All gain, no pain.

After a while though it starts to get a bit shit. You wake up feeling dread, so you think "I'll have a cheeky little line to perk me up". Then you're fading by lunchtime, so you're in the bogs at school chopping up lines on the top of a toilet. At this point I figured it was maybe time to take a look in the mirror rather than at what was lined up on it. There was still the isolation. I'd moved school now, but same shit in a different place - kind of had sort of mates, but never really felt that integrated or that much of a part of things, always felt a bit like a hanger on. Had some friends outside of school, but really I had one actual friend who I'd gotten to know well, and then all of his mates that I used to hang around with. I was kind of accepted, but very much always an outsider.

It probably didn't help that they were all a bunch of stoners and I'd turn up with a bag of speed.

I had some pretty low points. Like most angsty teenagers I had imagined the tears and the wailing and all the people struggling to fit in the church if I topped myself, it was such cringeworthy self-indulgent bollocks. But one day I reached a point where actually I was just fed up of being alive and decided that if this was what life was then I didn't want any part of it any more, I'd never really known (or at least could never remember) a days happiness, my whole life had been a struggle (emotionally - I'd never really wanted for material things) and if all I had to look forward to was 60 more years of this shite then stop the fucking ride, I'm getting off. I took a hosepipe and drove off up to the woods, didn't leave a note or anything like that, I wasn't really thinking about anyone else to be honest I just wanted it done. So I found a little tranquil spot and thought "Yeah, this'll do". I stuck the hosepipe in the exhaust and got back in the car and sat with my hand on the ignition key for about half an hour, and I don't mind admitting I cried like a little bitch (actually if I'm honest I'm crying thinking about it right now).

Now, I don't give a fuck what anybody says - suicide is not 'the easy way out'. It is *hard* to take your own life, it is hard to sit there, knowing that if you turn the key and sit back you're gonna be dead in the next 20 minutes or so - and doing it that way doesn't even hurt, so fuck knows what it must be like slitting your wrists or something like that.

Anybody who says that suicide is the easy way out is a cunt. Anyone who thinks it's a cowards way is a cunt. You don't know how much cojones it takes to kill yourself till you've tried to do it, and it's a fuck of a lot more than I've got. So the decision was made for me then and there, I tried it, I couldn't do it, so fuck up and stop whinging like a little bitch then. From that point on I vowed never to indulge myself those pathetic thoughts of "Wouldn't they all miss me" - firstly because if you're thinking about it like that then basically all you really want is a cuddle, but secondly because when push came to shove I didn't have what it takes.

Now, the second accusation commonly levelled at suicide is that it's selfish - and that is a little fairer. Like I said, when I drove up to the woods that day I wasn't thinking about anyone else - I wasn't thinking about how much damage it would do or how much it would break my family's heart, I just wanted it all to stop.

However, I would categorise depression not necessarily as a selfish illness, but one that makes you self-obsessed. It's not that you're wilfully putting yourself before others, but more that you can't see anything outside of the tiny bubble you're in - for instance I think on the whole when somebody who is depressed is confronted head on by somebody else's problem they can be incredibly empathetic and supportive and will often go out of their way to help them. It's just most of the time unless you actually make a point of saying "blah blah blah" they're oblivious to the world around them.

For a depressive, their world really does revolve around them - every little thing can be twisted so that it all comes back to "What's wrong with me?" - even to the extent that the slightest little thing, the most innocuous incident, such as somebody running a bit late and doesn't have time to stop, or they got a parking ticket and are a bit pissed off - all of these things, in a depressives mind can get latched upon, magnified, twisted, taken out of context and completely misinterpreted and blown out of proportion until it becomes "They hate me". Even though that other person probably barely even noticed them or the 'incident' the depressive goes over it again and again and again, replaying it, editing it slightly, placing more emphasis on certain aspects, changing some of the tones, making the overall feel much darker - it's like "The Director's Cut" of your life if the Director was David Lynch. Everything becomes fucked up and sinister, and by the time you next see that person, you've replayed this thing so many times and turned it into such a big fucking deal that you start acting all weird.

Now, the other person hasn't got a clue that all this shit has happened in your head, but they can pick up on the fact that you're now being all weird, so that puts them on edge and makes them feel slightly uncomfortable, and say what you like about depressives but one thing they generally are is quite perceptive and quite attuned to people if they think there is some kind of issue there (to the extent that they can create one if needs be). So if that other person is acting a bit weird, because the depressive is acting very strange (but doesn't realise it), then the depressive is definitely picking up on this and making it into an even bigger badder thing. Like so much of the stuff around depression, it's a total vicious circle - a positive feedback cycle that keeps reinforcing itself and getting worse and more intense.

It can be so hard to drag yourself out of this rut. It can be hard to realise that something that may seem so significant to you can mean nothing to someone else. It sometimes slips your mind that not everybody is constantly concerned with how you're acting, or what you're saying, or how much of a cunt you think you're being.

There have been other points in my life when I've been as low as I was on 'that day'. After I left home and went to uni a lot of issues came out (probably as a result of doing too much acid). Although I was ideologically opposed to anti-depressants (ironic, huh?) there came a time when I just felt like I couldn't do it on my own any more. By this time I actually had a good group of friends around me, who were supportive, but not understanding - how can you be unless you've been there?

I was prescribed Seroxat as an 18 year old, the significance of which DSE I'm sure will know and some of you may have heard in the news a while back: "Seroxat - the anti-depressant that can cause suicidal thoughts in young people!" and like people have said it didn't make me happy, it just robbed me of all emotion. I was taking them thinking "Surely they've got to have an effect at some point" but they never really seemed to help, I just felt apathetic. Although I wouldn't say I felt suicidal, they kind of made me feel like if I was crossing a road and a car came screeching round the corner, I probably couldn't be bothered to jump out of the way, if that makes sense?

So I sacked them and figured there's only one thing in this world that can make me happy - me! And I did. I hit rock bottom and I bounced, and for the next few months I was overflowing with joy, I was extroverted, I was tactile, I was confident . . . I was happy for the first time in my life, and I realised that that is all you need to be happy - an acceptance of self and a will to be happy. You don't need counselling, or drugs, or anything really (although I'm not saying they won't all help) apart from the desire to be happy and the ability to accept yourself.

Because ultimately (well, to my mind at least) that is what really differentiates between 'feeling a bit down' and 'being depressed'.

It's the self-loathing.

Everyone has bad days where shits gone wrong. Loved ones close to us die, we lose our jobs, money gets tight, our relationships break down - all kinds of bad shit happens to us that make us feel fucking miserable - and with good reason.

But as lefty says in the first post (I think) depression doesn't need any of that. You could be the man of the moment, adored by those around you, well respected, well liked, have everything going for you and still be depressed.

Why?

Because none of that shit matters if you hate your fucking guts. Being depressed is like getting lumbered with the person you hate most in the world and never being able to get rid of them. From the moment you wake up in the morning to laying in bed at night they are there with you, constantly, inside your head. You can't turn them off, you can't drown them out, you can't ignore them. You can go out and get fucked up, but there they are tagging along like the unwanted geeky friend you've had to bring to the party that you're actually a little bit embarrassed about, but you can't tell them to fuck off. There they are making the shit conversation that you can torture yourself with for years to come. There they are saying or doing those embarrassing things with the people you like.

And in the morning there they are again, when you feel shit and vulnerable and insecure, except now they've taken on a really dark side and are bullying you. They're pointing out your failures. They're reminding you of all of the cuntish things you've done. They're niggling away at you and picking all the really private and protected vulnerabilities you have because they know every single little secret you've got.

And you can never get rid of them.

Or at least, that's the way it feels - because unlike other non-terminal illnesses, for some bizarre reason when you have depression you feel like that's your lot and that you'll never be well again. Even if you've been here before and you've dragged yourself out of it, and after you've got out of it you've looked back an thought "That wasn't that hard, why didn't I do that earlier" when you're down at the bottom it feels like you'll never be able to pick yourself up.

But you can. And you will.

I'm very tempted to draw some correlation between my lack of drug taking now and my emotional stability, because for a few years after first discovering I could be happy I bounced between *really happy* and *really depressed* - at one point I couldn't leave the house because it was too daunting, even to post a letter in the postbox 100 yards down the road. But now I've been stable for a while.

I've not exactly been happy, but I've certainly not been depressed. I guess you could call it 'content' - and for me that's good enough.

Even more amazingly my Mum, who has been depressed her entire life, who has also tried to top herself and who had basically resigned herself to a lifetime of misery, has discovered painting, and through painting has discovered peace. When she paints, she can be normal. If she doesn't paint she's erratic, irrational, emotional unpredictable, paranoid, the lot.

If she can make it, anyone can. You just have to accept yourself.

Be wary of time spent alone, when you can think too much - wear out the body and you can wear out the mind. Don't be tempted to indulge yourself and think "I'll just think about this a little bit, even though I know it's probably not healthy" - it's like picking at a scab, do it too much and it'll scar. Make sure your internal dialogue is appropriate - always think "Would I speak to a friend this way?" If the answer is no, because you wouldn't say to a friend "You're pathetic, look at you, feeling sorry for yourself etc etc" then ask yourself why you feel it's okay to speak to yourself like that.

And remember, it's not forever
 
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