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David Ngog will not make it at a top club. Sure, we'll probably make a bit of money out of him but so what? He'll be just another player to come and go through Rafa's revolving doors.

He shouldn't be anywhere near our team because he's simply not good enough. I think some people are forgetting the kind of standards we should be aspiring to. If he was playing for Utd we'd be laughing at them, as they no doubt are at us right now.
 
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=38485.msg1036698#msg1036698 date=1263774977]
He shouldn't be anywhere near our team because he's simply not good enough. I think some people are forgetting the kind of standards we should be aspiring to. If he was playing for Utd we'd be laughing at them, as they no doubt are at us right now.
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If anyone is laughing at us, it's because we massively lack depth and are forced to play someone like N'Gog on a regular basis, i.e. they're laughing at our situation and Rafa.

N'Gog may not be good enough to play for us regularly right now, but he's hardly embarrassing, particularly if he was just coming on for 10-15 mins here and there and scoring the odd goal, as he can do.

It's not like we signed some random Angolan who left the club for La Liga proudly proclaiming he'd score 40 goals in the upcoming season or a 22 year old winger for 13M who is struggling to get out of the reserves.
 
He wouldn't get a game for anyone else in the top six ken. Yet he's 2nd/3rd choice for us. He's not a horrible player, but anyone being honest with themselves would acknowledge that he's unlikely to be here in a couple of year's time. A couple of 'nice touches' a game really isn't enough at this level.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38485.msg1036613#msg1036613 date=1263764897]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38485.msg1036602#msg1036602 date=1263764013]
I'm loving this age thing, Ryan. How old do you think I am? You do bring it up a lot, usually when you're feeling a little bit intimidated and out of your depth, which is more often than you'd like, as we all know
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If, in the fucking highly unlikely scenario that I'd ever feel out of my depth on this forum Bren, I've only got to look towards your posts for guidance on how one gets by.

20,000 posts of "Player X is a fat eyetie, slow, anti-Brazilian CUNT that I want to punch hard."

You're utterly fucking shit, and know zero about football.
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I'm not talking about the Forum, Ryan. I'm talking about in general.
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38485.msg1036391#msg1036391 date=1263727960]
Insua, Eggnog, Lucas will not be playing for Liverpool in two years time

None of them are good enough

Sorry, but it's true


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For the hundredth time... Would you like to bet on that?
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About which bit? They're not good enough or they'll be still at Liverpool in two years?

One is true, and I'm praying the other is, too.
 
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=38485.msg1036830#msg1036830 date=1263807631]
Yikes. Let's not sign young players anymore. It's just not worth it.
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Signing shit ones isn't, agreed.
 
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[quote author=DHSC link=topic=38485.msg1036830#msg1036830 date=1263807631]
Yikes. Let's not sign young players anymore. It's just not worth it.
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Signing shit ones isn't, agreed.
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Given our financial difficulties we're more likely to sign shit young players than good ones.
 
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David Ngog will not make it at a top club. Sure, we'll probably make a bit of money out of him but so what? He'll be just another player to come and go through Rafa's revolving doors.

He shouldn't be anywhere near our team because he's simply not good enough. I think some people are forgetting the kind of standards we should be aspiring to. If he was playing for Utd we'd be laughing at them, as they no doubt are at us right now.
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Agreed.

I know he didnt get alot of support on Saturday, but NGogs performance has to go down as one of the most ineffectual in recent times.... he was utterly, utterly pointless apart from the skill he displayed when winning a freekick in the second half.

I think its pretty clear he has potential to improve, but that this still wont bring him to a level where he should be in our starting XI. I would also argue that this goes for Lucas as well (although if anything he has less potential, and is playing close to as well as he's ever going to get).
 
Agreed.

I know he didnt get alot of support on Saturday, but NGogs performance has to go down as one of the most ineffectual in recent times.... he was utterly, utterly pointless apart from the skill he displayed when winning a freekick in the second half.

I think its pretty clear he has potential to improve, but that this still wont bring him to a level where he should be in our starting XI. I would also argue that this goes for Lucas as well (although if anything he has less potential, and is playing close to as well as he's ever going to get).

Agreed x 2.

Pitiful.
 
Ngog shouldn't be playing up front on his own simple as that. Either Kuyt should be up there as the point man or partnering Ngog as a front two.
 
Kuyt and N'gog looked decent together when paired recently.

I said before the game Rafa should start Maxi on the right to allow this to happen. It would have helped us a lot.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38485.msg1036855#msg1036855 date=1263808773]
Ngog shouldn't be playing up front on his own simple as that. Either Kuyt should be up there as the point man or partnering Ngog as a front two.
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Abso-fucking-lutely - this is spot on, and is a huge blind spot for Benitez.
 
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He wouldn't get a game for anyone else in the top six ken. Yet he's 2nd/3rd choice for us. He's not a horrible player, but anyone being honest with themselves would acknowledge that he's unlikely to be here in a couple of year's time. A couple of 'nice touches' a game really isn't enough at this level.
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If we make money out of him, he'll have been a good buy. A lot of clubs make a bit of money on random punts and everyone now and again, one or two actually end up contributing. The only difference is that they don't leave themselves with a threadbare squad and then rely on these random punts.

N'Gog was truly pointless on Stoke, but so is having a go at him. We all know he shouldn't be playing regularly right now, so all this "he's fucking shit" winds me up. If N'Gog was playing for the reserves and scoring goals, everyone would be saying we should be giving him a chance (regardless of whether they'd seen him play)... just as they are doing now with Pacheco.

RAFA ISN'T BRAVE ENOUGH TO TRUST IN THE YOUNGSTERS. PLAY PACHECO, KELLY, <INSERT NAME HERE>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GRRRR SO ANGRY!!!!
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38485.msg1036857#msg1036857 date=1263808915]
Kuyt and N'gog looked decent together when paired recently.

I said before the game Rafa should start Maxi on the right to allow this to happen. It would have helped us a lot.
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I agree with this. The downside is probably Maxis lack of fitness and EPL experience but we're really not in a position for such time luxuries at the moment.
 
Play 4-4-2

Reina
Kelly
Aurelio
Carragher
Ayala
Maxi
Pacheco
Lucas Aquilani
Mascherano
N'gog
Eccleston

Bench

Cavalieri
Skrtel
Degen
Spearing
Kuyt
Amoo Lucas
Dalla Valle

vs Spurs.

Just play the kids.
 
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38485.msg1036857#msg1036857 date=1263808915]
Kuyt and N'gog looked decent together when paired recently.

I said before the game Rafa should start Maxi on the right to allow this to happen. It would have helped us a lot.
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I agree with this. The downside is probably Maxis lack of fitness and EPL experience but we're really not in a position for such time luxuries at the moment.
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He could of been carrying a slight injury but I haven't heard it mentioned anywhere. He's played 24 times this year so match fitness wouldn't be an issue. I think caution got the better of Benitez.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38485.msg1036885#msg1036885 date=1263811076]
I think caution got the better of Benitez.
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Not for the first time Squiggs
 
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He wouldn't get a game for anyone else in the top six ken. Yet he's 2nd/3rd choice for us. He's not a horrible player, but anyone being honest with themselves would acknowledge that he's unlikely to be here in a couple of year's time. A couple of 'nice touches' a game really isn't enough at this level.
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If we make money out of him, he'll have been a good buy. A lot of clubs make a bit of money on random punts and everyone now and again, one or two actually end up contributing. The only difference is that they don't leave themselves with a threadbare squad and then rely on these random punts.

N'Gog was truly pointless on Stoke, but so is having a go at him. We all know he shouldn't be playing regularly right now, so all this "he's fucking shit" winds me up. If N'Gog was playing for the reserves and scoring goals, everyone would be saying we should be giving him a chance (regardless of whether they'd seen him play)... just as they are doing now with Pacheco.

RAFA ISN'T BRAVE ENOUGH TO TRUST IN THE YOUNGSTERS. PLAY PACHECO, KELLY, <INSERT NAME HERE>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GRRRR SO ANGRY!!!!


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He'd made only 18 appearances for PSG scoring just one goal though so there was absolutely no reason to assume he'd be ready to play in the Premiership, never mind at a top club and never mind as a lone striker. He has no pedigree at all other than a fairly decent record at youth level, which we all know means relatively little.

And nowhere have I said he's shit - simply that he's not good enough to be playing for us, which it seems we're largely in agreement on. He shows the odd bit of skill every now and again, but then so do a lot of average players. I just find it slightly disappointing that some seem to think he is an acceptable standard to be here. I'm sure he's a great lad, but I wish people would stop deluding themselves that he'll ever be good enough, because he won't.

As for him being a worthwhile buy if we make a few bob on him, well, I think that's debatable. I'm certainly not convinced he was 'worth a punt' as he'd done nothing in his career to suggest that he was ever going to make it here. You may be right, but it just depresses me that we consider making a couple of million on a player who patently isn't good enough a worthwhile use of our time and resources. Particularly if the player (through no fault of his own, admittedly) is damaging our prospects by playing for us. We really should be concentrating on players of a much higher calibre as far as I'm concerned.
 
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[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=38485.msg1036793#msg1036793 date=1263802575]
He wouldn't get a game for anyone else in the top six ken. Yet he's 2nd/3rd choice for us. He's not a horrible player, but anyone being honest with themselves would acknowledge that he's unlikely to be here in a couple of year's time. A couple of 'nice touches' a game really isn't enough at this level.
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If we make money out of him, he'll have been a good buy. A lot of clubs make a bit of money on random punts and everyone now and again, one or two actually end up contributing. The only difference is that they don't leave themselves with a threadbare squad and then rely on these random punts.

N'Gog was truly pointless on Stoke, but so is having a go at him. We all know he shouldn't be playing regularly right now, so all this "he's fucking shit" winds me up. If N'Gog was playing for the reserves and scoring goals, everyone would be saying we should be giving him a chance (regardless of whether they'd seen him play)... just as they are doing now with Pacheco.

RAFA ISN'T BRAVE ENOUGH TO TRUST IN THE YOUNGSTERS. PLAY PACHECO, KELLY, <INSERT NAME HERE>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GRRRR SO ANGRY!!!!


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He'd made only 18 appearances for PSG scoring just one goal though so there was absolutely no reason to assume he'd be ready to play in the Premiership, never mind at a top club and never mind as a lone striker. He has no pedigree at all other than a fairly decent record at youth level, which we all know means relatively little.

And nowhere have I said he's shit - simply that he's not good enough to be playing for us, which it seems we're largely in agreement on. He shows the odd bit of skill every now and again, but then so do a lot of average players. I just find it slightly disappointing that some seem to think he is an acceptable standard to be here. I'm sure he's a great lad, but I wish people would stop deluding themselves that he'll ever be good enough, because he won't.

As for him being a worthwhile buy if we make a few bob on him, well, I think that's debatable. I'm certainly not convinced he was 'worth a punt' as he'd done nothing in his career to suggest that he was ever going to make it here. You may be right, but it just depresses me that we consider making a couple of million on a player who patently isn't good enough a worthwhile use of our time and resources. Particularly if the player (through no fault of his own, admittedly) is damaging our prospects by playing for us. We really should be concentrating on players of a much higher calibre as far as I'm concerned.
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^^^^^^^^


Well said
 
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He'd made only 18 appearances for PSG scoring just one goal though so there was absolutely no reason to assume he'd be ready to play in the Premiership, never mind at a top club and never mind as a lone striker. He has no pedigree at all other than a fairly decent record at youth level, which we all know means relatively little.

And nowhere have I said he's shit - simply that he's not good enough to be playing for us, which it seems we're largely in agreement on. He shows the odd bit of skill every now and again, but then so do a lot of average players. I just find it slightly disappointing that some seem to think he is an acceptable standard to be here. I'm sure he's a great lad, but I wish people would stop deluding themselves that he'll ever be good enough, because he won't.

As for him being a worthwhile buy if we make a few bob on him, well, I think that's debatable. I'm certainly not convinced he was 'worth a punt' as he'd done nothing in his career to suggest that he was ever going to make it here. You may be right, but it just depresses me that we consider making a couple of million on a player who patently isn't good enough a worthwhile use of our time and resources. Particularly if the player (through no fault of his own, admittedly) is damaging our prospects by playing for us. We really should be concentrating on players of a much higher calibre as far as I'm concerned.
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Firstly, I suppose I should clarify that the "shit / angry" comment wasn't really directed at you. I'm just a little frustrated by some of the attitudes on here that on the one hand clamour for youth to be given a chance and then on the other, slate the fuck out of them at the first opportunity.

As for N'Gog's record prior to joining and whether he's good enough, it's largely by the by and I'm not even interested in debating that. As I've already said, many clubs take punts on players and then sell them on without them ever really getting much game time.

The main reason you're all going on about it now is because he's getting a lot of game time and it appears that we're genuinely looking at him for the future - why.. I don't really know. It's plain as day that the only reason we're seeing these fringe players as much as we are is because the squad is fucked. The 1.5M we gambled on N'Gog carries no real significance in the grand scheme of things and the decision to sign him has not been a contributing factor to our current state.

The way y'all are carrying on anyone would think we spunked 10M on the guy and he is genuinely being groomed as the successor for Torres... or wait, do you actually believe that to be the case?
 
I see what you're saying Keni. Problem is - he's not so much Torres's successor as his current replacement. That's the main issue - he's not up to it and I doubt he ever will be. It's not fair on the lad either.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38485.msg1037154#msg1037154 date=1263828706]he's not so much Torres's successor as his current replacement. That's the main issue
It's not fair on the lad either.
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The bits I've quoted there are basically all I'm saying. The main issue is that we have a fucking shit squad and not how good N'Gog is or isn't at present - he shouldn't be playing as much as he is and certainly not in a team where the goalscoring burden rests largely on his shoulders. It's an awkward situation for all involved.
 
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[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=38485.msg1037075#msg1037075 date=1263823771]
He'd made only 18 appearances for PSG scoring just one goal though so there was absolutely no reason to assume he'd be ready to play in the Premiership, never mind at a top club and never mind as a lone striker. He has no pedigree at all other than a fairly decent record at youth level, which we all know means relatively little.

And nowhere have I said he's shit - simply that he's not good enough to be playing for us, which it seems we're largely in agreement on. He shows the odd bit of skill every now and again, but then so do a lot of average players. I just find it slightly disappointing that some seem to think he is an acceptable standard to be here. I'm sure he's a great lad, but I wish people would stop deluding themselves that he'll ever be good enough, because he won't.

As for him being a worthwhile buy if we make a few bob on him, well, I think that's debatable. I'm certainly not convinced he was 'worth a punt' as he'd done nothing in his career to suggest that he was ever going to make it here. You may be right, but it just depresses me that we consider making a couple of million on a player who patently isn't good enough a worthwhile use of our time and resources. Particularly if the player (through no fault of his own, admittedly) is damaging our prospects by playing for us. We really should be concentrating on players of a much higher calibre as far as I'm concerned.
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Firstly, I suppose I should clarify that the "shit / angry" comment wasn't really directed at you. I'm just a little frustrated by some of the attitudes on here that on the one hand clamour for youth to be given a chance and then on the other, slate the fuck out of them at the first opportunity.

As for N'Gog's record prior to joining and whether he's good enough, it's largely by the by and I'm not even interested in debating that. As I've already said, many clubs take punts on players and then sell them on without them ever really getting much game time.

The main reason you're all going on about it now is because he's getting a lot of game time and it appears that we're genuinely looking at him for the future - why.. I don't really know. It's plain as day that the only reason we're seeing these fringe players as much as we are is because the squad is fucked. The 1.5M we gambled on N'Gog carries no real significance in the grand scheme of things and the decision to sign him has not been a contributing factor to our current state.

The way y'all are carrying on anyone would think we spunked 10M on the guy and he is genuinely being groomed as the successor for Torres... or wait, do you actually believe that to be the case?
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You seem to be under the impression that my frustration is directed at the player. It's not. It's at the manager for having nothing better available to him.

In all honesty, I probably wouldn't have cared less if we'd never seen him and was sold without much exposure. Strangely enough, his exposure here will probably result in us making a small profit on him, but that doesn't alter the fact that he shouldn't be getting such exposure at a top club in the first place.

I feel like I'm labouring the point now when it was really little more than a passing comment in the first place. The bottom line is, we sold Robbie Keane and haven't replaced him. If it appears I'm blaming N'gog for that then I haven't explained myself very well. I don't blame N'gog for anything. The buck stops with the manager.
 
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38485.msg1037154#msg1037154 date=1263828706]he's not so much Torres's successor as his current replacement. That's the main issue
It's not fair on the lad either.
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The bits I've quoted there are basically all I'm saying. The main issue is that we have a fucking shit squad and not how good N'Gog is or isn't at present - he shouldn't be playing as much as he is and certainly not in a team where the goalscoring burden rests largely on his shoulders. It's an awkward situation for all involved.
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Totally agree Keni. We never sorted out our striker coverage after Keane left and we've had plenty of time to do it. It's unexcusable.

EDIT: Just saw the post above. LOL - that's what happens when you don't quiff. I'm not copying homework, honest
 
The big deal is that he's all we've got and he's not up to it. Which is not his fault.
 
Yeah, the over reaction to one game is way over the top, given his record with us is decent. It was a pretty bad performance, but it's not something to write him off over, he's probably still a better option than any of our, as yet, unproven youths.
 
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