He was rubbish today. He couldn't trap a bag of spanners. But for his age and the price paid for him he's weighed in with a half decent amount of goals.
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Yet another shit thread. What's the point in this, to notify us that he was shit? Brilliant, you're a fucking star.
You're continual "he's fucking shit" post-game diatribes are pointless and mind-numbingly boring.
I bet if someone did a quick summation of your last 5000 posts in this forum, about 90% of them would consist of "Lucas/N'gog/Insewer is a fucking shit CUNT". Seriously, what's the point in that?
You're continual "he's fucking shit" post-game diatribes are pointless and mind-numbingly boring.
I bet if someone did a quick summation of your last 5000 posts in this forum, about 90% of them would consist of "Lucas/N'gog/Insewer is a fucking shit CUNT". Seriously, what's the point in that?
I read through the match thread before. Great read that.
He's got about 6 posts in there, everyone of them some screamingly negative bullshit. Not one of them offered any insight or analysis. Just the usual predictable bluster.
"Eggnog is really shit" - That's fucking embarassing.
Why bother?
He's got about 6 posts in there, everyone of them some screamingly negative bullshit. Not one of them offered any insight or analysis. Just the usual predictable bluster.
"Eggnog is really shit" - That's fucking embarassing.
Why bother?
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38485.msg1036275#msg1036275 date=1263697484]
I read through the match thread before. Great read that.
He's got about 6 posts in there, everyone of them some screamingly negative bullshit. Not one of them offered any insight or analysis. Just the usual predictable bluster.
"Eggnog is really shit" - That's fucking embarassing.
Why bother?
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Truth is, N'gog is probably two-to-three seasons away from being a first team player in the premier league. I found myself groaning about N'gog more than 10 times through just the first 45 minutes and, quite frankly was astonished to see that he was starting the second half. Whatever way you want to see it Ryan, Rafa deserves a right kicking for leaving him on the field for 80 minutes.
I'm starting to warm to Lucas though.
I read through the match thread before. Great read that.
He's got about 6 posts in there, everyone of them some screamingly negative bullshit. Not one of them offered any insight or analysis. Just the usual predictable bluster.
"Eggnog is really shit" - That's fucking embarassing.
Why bother?
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Truth is, N'gog is probably two-to-three seasons away from being a first team player in the premier league. I found myself groaning about N'gog more than 10 times through just the first 45 minutes and, quite frankly was astonished to see that he was starting the second half. Whatever way you want to see it Ryan, Rafa deserves a right kicking for leaving him on the field for 80 minutes.
I'm starting to warm to Lucas though.
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Kuyt should get a thread for himself too if N'gog got one.
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a forum himself for the amount of shit he has gotten away with for LFC. But thats why we don't talk about it as much. He is Rafa's biggest blindspot, he just isnt a natural footballer. But he's the nicest guy around and I don't think we should be slagging him cause it isn't his fault he is an undroppable. There'd also be no one to argue his merits right now.
Kuyt should get a thread for himself too if N'gog got one.
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a forum himself for the amount of shit he has gotten away with for LFC. But thats why we don't talk about it as much. He is Rafa's biggest blindspot, he just isnt a natural footballer. But he's the nicest guy around and I don't think we should be slagging him cause it isn't his fault he is an undroppable. There'd also be no one to argue his merits right now.
He was poor but its not fault.
touche, but I'd say Kuyt's play this year is his fault. Its just truly depressing to talk about him as he's an untouchable who will continue to undermine a lot of our attacking movements.
N'gog on the other hand is just too young and raw to be able to feed on scraps. Kuyt does his far share to make sure there are only scraps for the lone striker.
N'gog on the other hand is just too young and raw to be able to feed on scraps. Kuyt does his far share to make sure there are only scraps for the lone striker.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38485.msg1036275#msg1036275 date=1263697484]
I read through the match thread before. Great read that.
He's got about 6 posts in there, everyone of them some screamingly negative bullshit. Not one of them offered any insight or analysis. Just the usual predictable bluster.
"Eggnog is really shit" - That's fucking embarassing.
Why bother?
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Truth is, N'gog is probably two-to-three seasons away from being a first team player in the premier league. I found myself groaning about N'gog more than 10 times through just the first 45 minutes and, quite frankly was astonished to see that he was starting the second half. Whatever way you want to see it Ryan, Rafa deserves a right kicking for leaving him on the field for 80 minutes.
I'm starting to warm to Lucas though.
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The thing is, and it's easy to forget this I know - is that he's wildly inexperienced. I'm convinced he's got ability. He has some negatives of course (oft-shit positioning, takes too many touches, tries the complicated things, and wastes an awful lot of energy when not really required), but there's raw talent there. The thing with inexperience, youthfulness, and raw ability is that the difference between the good games and the bad ones can be quite substantial at the stage of his career he's at. Look at United's two defeats in the Cup competitions this year, and it comes down to inexperienced (yet still talented) youngsters just not performing.
Older, more knowledgable players (even shit ones) close that gap between their good and bad games, ensuring there's some level of consistency (i.e. ensuring even your worst game is a 6/10 or something as opposed to the 1/10 David gave yesterday). N'Gog on the other hand is peaks and troughs right now. Torres away to Everton last year was fucking shit for 70 minutes (equally as bad as N'gog yesterday), but didn't let it affect the entire performance and combined to score 2 to win the game in the last 20 minutes. Torres' outright ability had a lot to do with that, but fucking heaps of it comes down to playing at the top level for many years, and knowing that just cos you're playing shite, and getting the stuffing knocked out of you by big cumbersome defenders for 90% of the match shouldn't mean you can't contribute something.
You only get that through games. And heaps of them. Don't get me wrong, there are players capable of coming in from different shores and starring straight away - Drogba, Arshavin, Torres, etc. They don't cost 1.5M though.
N'gog, lest it should be forgotten, has virtually fuck all experience in England. This season has been pretty much his first with top flight experience of playing for us. His good games have come in Europe where (not unsurprisingly) the style of game suits him so much more. It's slower, he's got the opportunity to take that extra touch, and he can find space. I'd daresay he's never played a more robust, physically-challenging game than yesterday's one in his career. He's played his whole life in France, where football is just not played the Stoke way. Shawcross - a very good centre back, Faye and then Wilkinson bullied him out of it yesterday. His confidence dropped early, and instead of reverting to the simple things, he tried to overcompensate and ended up losing it wildly. Everytime he touched it, one of the Stoke rearguard were up his arse intimidating him, and making life difficult for him.
I remember watching Adebayor's first 6 months for Arsenal, and it was exactly the same. He couldn't score, couldn't hold it up, and was miles off the pace of play. You could see he had ability (like NGog) but the pace of the game, style, and physically demanding approach required just wasn't there. Adebayor adapted, some quality footballers like Forlan and Kanoute just couldn't. Look how long it took Gerrard to stop getting his arse handed to him by Ginola and Vieira. It's not that Gerrard couldn't match their ability, just that their game intelligence was at such a greater level than his.
The main positive for me is that N'gog can score. Of all the things that need work on with him, and they are plentiful - putting the ball in the net isn't one of them. That's a great basis to work off. Spend time with him on the training pitch improving his positioning, hold-up play, and emphasising the need for simplicity when you're one up front is badly required, but it's worth it. It's more of an indictment on our squad, than his ability that he's playing regularly for us. He's just not ready for week in, week out starts for a side aspiring to play in the upper echeolns of the League. That we're having to rely on him though (and the likes of Insua) speaks volumes for the paucity of our options. I don't want to get into the why's and wherefor's of our striking options, but as Sir Alex has regularly demonstrated - players at that stage of their career need to be eased in gently.
There will be games like yesterday's. In years to come he (and we) will look back on this game as it could be the making of him. He'll learn a lot from it.
No doubt playing up front in this year's current Liverpool team can't be easy either.
To say he's "fucking shit" is not only incorrect, but fucking stupid.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38485.msg1036275#msg1036275 date=1263697484]
I read through the match thread before. Great read that.
He's got about 6 posts in there, everyone of them some screamingly negative bullshit. Not one of them offered any insight or analysis. Just the usual predictable bluster.
"Eggnog is really shit" - That's fucking embarassing.
Why bother?
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Truth is, N'gog is probably two-to-three seasons away from being a first team player in the premier league. I found myself groaning about N'gog more than 10 times through just the first 45 minutes and, quite frankly was astonished to see that he was starting the second half. Whatever way you want to see it Ryan, Rafa deserves a right kicking for leaving him on the field for 80 minutes.
I'm starting to warm to Lucas though.
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The thing is, and it's easy to forget this I know - is that he's wildly inexperienced. I'm convinced he's got ability. He has some negatives of course (oft-shit positioning, takes too many touches, tries the complicated things, and wastes an awful lot of energy when not really required), but there's raw talent there. The thing with inexperience, youthfulness, and raw ability is that the difference between the good games and the bad ones can be quite substantial at the stage of his career he's at. Look at United's two defeats in the Cup competitions this year, and it comes down to inexperienced (yet still talented) youngsters just not performing.
Older, more knowledgable players (even shit ones) close that gap between their good and bad games, ensuring there's some level of consistency (i.e. ensuring even your worst game is a 6/10 or something as opposed to the 1/10 David gave yesterday). N'Gog on the other hand is peaks and troughs right now. Torres away to Everton last year was fucking shit for 70 minutes (equally as bad as N'gog yesterday), but didn't let it affect the entire performance and combined to score 2 to win the game in the last 20 minutes. Torres' outright ability had a lot to do with that, but fucking heaps of it comes down to playing at the top level for many years, and knowing that just cos you're playing shite, and getting the stuffing knocked out of you by big cumbersome defenders for 90% of the match shouldn't mean you can't contribute something.
You only get that through games. And heaps of them. Don't get me wrong, there are players capable of coming in from different shores and starring straight away - Drogba, Arshavin, Torres, etc. They don't cost 1.5M though.
N'gog, lest it should be forgotten, has virtually fuck all experience in England. This season has been pretty much his first with top flight experience of playing for us. His good games have come in Europe where (not unsurprisingly) the style of game suits him so much more. It's slower, he's got the opportunity to take that extra touch, and he can find space. I'd daresay he's never played a more robust, physically-challenging game than yesterday's one in his career. He's played his whole life in France, where football is just not played the Stoke way. Shawcross - a very good centre back, Faye and then Wilkinson bullied him out of it yesterday. His confidence dropped early, and instead of reverting to the simple things, he tried to overcompensate and ended up losing it wildly. Everytime he touched it, one of the Stoke rearguard were up his arse intimidating him, and making life difficult for him.
I remember watching Adebayor's first 6 months for Arsenal, and it was exactly the same. He couldn't score, couldn't hold it up, and was miles off the pace of play. You could see he had ability (like NGog) but the pace of the game, style, and physically demanding approach required just wasn't there. Adebayor adapted, some quality footballers like Forlan and Kanoute just couldn't. Look how long it took Gerrard to stop getting his arse handed to him by Ginola and Vieira. It's not that Gerrard couldn't match their ability, just that their game intelligence was at such a greater level than his.
The main positive for me is that N'gog can score. Of all the things that need work on with him, and they are plentiful - putting the ball in the net isn't one of them. That's a great basis to work off. Spend time with him on the training pitch improving his positioning, hold-up play, and emphasising the need for simplicity when you're one up front is badly required, but it's worth it. It's more of an indictment on our squad, than his ability that he's playing regularly for us. He's just not ready for week in, week out starts for a side aspiring to play in the upper echeolns of the League. That we're having to rely on him though (and the likes of Insua) speaks volumes for the paucity of our options. I don't want to get into the why's and wherefor's of our striking options, but as Sir Alex has regularly demonstrated - players at that stage of their career need to be eased in gently.
There will be games like yesterday's. In years to come he (and we) will look back on this game as it could be the making of him. He'll learn a lot from it.
No doubt playing up front in this year's current Liverpool team can't be easy either.
To say he's "fucking shit" is not only incorrect, but fucking stupid.
Didn't catch the game yesterday (thankfully, from the sound of it) but excellent post, Ryan.
It's all good to debate he's shit/he's not shit on the boards but it's even better to actually have someone back their argument up. And, for what it's worth, I agree.
It's all good to debate he's shit/he's not shit on the boards but it's even better to actually have someone back their argument up. And, for what it's worth, I agree.
Insua, Eggnog, Lucas will not be playing for Liverpool in two years time
None of them are good enough
Sorry, but it's true
None of them are good enough
Sorry, but it's true
'Game intelligence'
Oh dear. Ryan is tragically morphing into Paul Tomkins, and it's embarrassing to watch
Every shit decision, rubbish player and awful display is backed up with his infantile chalkboard retro-enginereed tactics summary
Every shit player has 'potential'.
Amazing to watch how he's backed himself into a corner, but has neither the wit, humility or good grace to extricate himself
Tomkins.Without the laughs
Benitez is a busted flush, we have lots of shit players and the season is dead.
Oh dear. Ryan is tragically morphing into Paul Tomkins, and it's embarrassing to watch
Every shit decision, rubbish player and awful display is backed up with his infantile chalkboard retro-enginereed tactics summary
Every shit player has 'potential'.
Amazing to watch how he's backed himself into a corner, but has neither the wit, humility or good grace to extricate himself
Tomkins.Without the laughs
Benitez is a busted flush, we have lots of shit players and the season is dead.
There's fuck all balance. He's as one-eyed as Dreamy
I can blame N'Gog. He's poor but he had no support.
I was wondering, what was Kuyt's position? was he the 3rd defensive midfielder?
N'gog was completely alone up front, Kuyt and Lucas were running like headless chickens in the middle.
They're all shite but again I cant blame them. And that N'Gog/Aquilani substitution, I knew we would concede a goal. When Benitez tries to keep a result with a late defensive minded substitution, it always fails. Our 10 players were in the box. He let Stoke having a go at us and they deservedly scored. Well done Rafa.
That was the worst LFC side in a decade. After 6 years in charge.
The Yanks are as clueless as he is but they have to sack him now.
Dalglish untill end of the season and then get Mourinho.
I was wondering, what was Kuyt's position? was he the 3rd defensive midfielder?
N'gog was completely alone up front, Kuyt and Lucas were running like headless chickens in the middle.
They're all shite but again I cant blame them. And that N'Gog/Aquilani substitution, I knew we would concede a goal. When Benitez tries to keep a result with a late defensive minded substitution, it always fails. Our 10 players were in the box. He let Stoke having a go at us and they deservedly scored. Well done Rafa.
That was the worst LFC side in a decade. After 6 years in charge.
The Yanks are as clueless as he is but they have to sack him now.
Dalglish untill end of the season and then get Mourinho.
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Nah, Crouch and Voronin on the wings was the worst.
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'Game intelligence'
Oh dear. Ryan is tragically morphing into Paul Tomkins, and it's embarrassing to watch
Every shit decision, rubbish player and awful display is backed up with his infantile chalkboard retro-enginereed tactics summary
Every shit player has 'potential'.
Amazing to watch how he's backed himself into a corner, but has neither the wit, humility or good grace to extricate himself
Tomkins.Without the laughs
Benitez is a busted flush, we have lots of shit players and the season is dead.
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Brendan, I'm not really arsed whether you want to ratify your intelligence against me and others. Go for your life.
Just don't embarass yourself by...
a) Slinging insults about quality of posting, when you (a middle-aged man) deem it necessary to tell everyone on the Internet that you want to punch one of our players hard in the face.
b) Talking about football, cos you're fucking clueless.
You're great for a laugh Brendan, but that's about it.
'Game intelligence'
Oh dear. Ryan is tragically morphing into Paul Tomkins, and it's embarrassing to watch
Every shit decision, rubbish player and awful display is backed up with his infantile chalkboard retro-enginereed tactics summary
Every shit player has 'potential'.
Amazing to watch how he's backed himself into a corner, but has neither the wit, humility or good grace to extricate himself
Tomkins.Without the laughs
Benitez is a busted flush, we have lots of shit players and the season is dead.
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Brendan, I'm not really arsed whether you want to ratify your intelligence against me and others. Go for your life.
Just don't embarass yourself by...
a) Slinging insults about quality of posting, when you (a middle-aged man) deem it necessary to tell everyone on the Internet that you want to punch one of our players hard in the face.
b) Talking about football, cos you're fucking clueless.
You're great for a laugh Brendan, but that's about it.
I'm loving this age thing, Ryan. How old do you think I am? You do bring it up a lot, usually when you're feeling a little bit intimidated and out of your depth, which is more often than you'd like, as we all know
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I'm loving this age thing, Ryan. How old do you think I am? You do bring it up a lot, usually when you're feeling a little bit intimidated and out of your depth, which is more often than you'd like, as we all know
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I'm loving this age thing, Ryan. How old do you think I am? You do bring it up a lot, usually when you're feeling a little bit intimidated and out of your depth, which is more often than you'd like, as we all know
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38485.msg1036602#msg1036602 date=1263764013]
I'm loving this age thing, Ryan. How old do you think I am? You do bring it up a lot, usually when you're feeling a little bit intimidated and out of your depth, which is more often than you'd like, as we all know
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If, in the fucking highly unlikely scenario that I'd ever feel out of my depth on this forum Bren, I've only got to look towards your posts for guidance on how one gets by.
20,000 posts of "Player X is a fat eyetie, slow, anti-Brazilian CUNT that I want to punch hard."
You're utterly fucking shit, and know zero about football.
I'm loving this age thing, Ryan. How old do you think I am? You do bring it up a lot, usually when you're feeling a little bit intimidated and out of your depth, which is more often than you'd like, as we all know
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If, in the fucking highly unlikely scenario that I'd ever feel out of my depth on this forum Bren, I've only got to look towards your posts for guidance on how one gets by.
20,000 posts of "Player X is a fat eyetie, slow, anti-Brazilian CUNT that I want to punch hard."
You're utterly fucking shit, and know zero about football.
I actually find myself agreeing largely with Ryan on this one. There is a lot wrong at the club, but picking on a £1.5m 20 year old back-up striker who is showing signs that he could be half decent seems a tad unfair.
He may not be Fowler or Rush, but I think he'll turn out OK.
He may not be Fowler or Rush, but I think he'll turn out OK.
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I actually find myself agreeing largely with Ryan on this one. There is a lot wrong at the club, but picking on a £1.5m 20 year old back-up stricker who is showing signs that he could be half decent seems a tad unfair.
He may not be Fowler or Rush, but I think he'll turn out OK.
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Yup. He will have a career in top flight in one of the top leagues in Europe. We have been spoilt with Owen and Fowler. Most of the great strikers were barely playing top flight football at Ngog's age. Not saying he will turn out to be a world class striker, but for his age, he is decent.
I actually find myself agreeing largely with Ryan on this one. There is a lot wrong at the club, but picking on a £1.5m 20 year old back-up stricker who is showing signs that he could be half decent seems a tad unfair.
He may not be Fowler or Rush, but I think he'll turn out OK.
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Yup. He will have a career in top flight in one of the top leagues in Europe. We have been spoilt with Owen and Fowler. Most of the great strikers were barely playing top flight football at Ngog's age. Not saying he will turn out to be a world class striker, but for his age, he is decent.
Ngog wasn't physically ready to compete with teams like Stoke, that much you can tell from the match. All he had were scraps fed to him, on a slippery pitch, usually with the ball about to run out of play and with a brute like Huth barrelling into his back the instant he touched the ball.
As I remember, one of the couple of chances he had to run at defenders came after we scored, and Andy Wilkinson took him out with the shoulder, no intention whatsoever to play the ball.
Sure, the lad looked intimidated, didn't challenge for the aerial balls, and his first touch let him down plenty of times. But I was amazed at the number of times Lee Mason turned a blind eye to the roughhouse tactics of Stoke, and even more so at those of you so eager to criticize him. To those advocating the introduction of Pacheco, I'm not sure his build would make him any better equipped to deal with the bullying.
As I remember, one of the couple of chances he had to run at defenders came after we scored, and Andy Wilkinson took him out with the shoulder, no intention whatsoever to play the ball.
Sure, the lad looked intimidated, didn't challenge for the aerial balls, and his first touch let him down plenty of times. But I was amazed at the number of times Lee Mason turned a blind eye to the roughhouse tactics of Stoke, and even more so at those of you so eager to criticize him. To those advocating the introduction of Pacheco, I'm not sure his build would make him any better equipped to deal with the bullying.
n'gog is not decent for his age. young players have advantages over experienced players you know like pace, stamina, agility, fearlessness, confidence. the problem is n'gog lacks confidence, he listens to rafa too much, trys to follow instructions and it really shows in his play. he's a wimp and he's wasting these years of his career learning to play like a 30yr old.
we'd be better off with a braver player who has enough confidence in himself to let go and make use of his younger age, rather than let it be an excuse for disgrace after disgrace.
we'd be better off with a braver player who has enough confidence in himself to let go and make use of his younger age, rather than let it be an excuse for disgrace after disgrace.
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