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Maybe it's just me, or apathy is taking over, but I don't feel as close to the club as I once did, and it's definitely not down to lack of silverware either; it's something deeper, more prevalent than that.

I look at Henderson, Adam, Carroll, Suarez, Downing, Enrique and I just don't give a shit. I feel like I'm supporting any team in the league. The idea of supporting the boys in red just doesn't seem to fit right now and I really hate it. I hate it more than our terrible season and that isn't right really is it?

Maybe too much has changed too soon. Maybe the idea of being owned by people who hadn't heard of us 2 years ago hurts, or the fact the Dalglish doesn't mean as much to me as he does to others, or the fact that our current playing squad isn't fit to wear the shirt, I don't know. But whatever it is, this doesn't feel like watching a shit version of Liverpool football club. It feels like watching a shit version of any team in English football.

Does anyone have the faintest idea what I'm - drunkenly - banging on about? What still connects you to what you believe our club to be? Because I'm all out of ideas.
 
IMO, all this bluster you hear on the forum about "I've given up caring these days" is just people refusing to acknowledge that we're fucking shit, in a mess, and have made some shocking decisions.

The same people never seem to "give up caring" when times are good. It's a massive copout.
 
I think my main issue is that I don't find we have 'Liverpool' players anymore. I've been a fan for about 14 years now, and seen varying degrees of success, but the one thing that has been a constant is the presence of players I've loved, and players who've been proud to not just put on a red shirt, but who've also wanted to 'win' things in a red shirt and establish themselves as Liverpool legends. And I'm not talking about Gerrard or Carra, but the likes of Hyypia, Hamann, Alonso - top class professionals who could've plied their trade anywhere in Europe but chose to come to Liverpool, immersed themselves in the club, and what it stood for, and wanted to win things 'with' Liverpool.

The past few years unfortunately has seen sign players who Liverpool is too good for, or some cunts who think THEY're too good for Liverpool. I'm hard pressed to find players who've wanted to play for AND win things WITH Liverpool Football Club.

Look at the state of the present side, and our most recent signings - Downing and Adam, both of whom joined us only because they (and everyone in the fucking world) knew that this would be their biggest career move. In fact, 'signing' on the Liverpool contract was the highlight of their career. They know that, we know that, and they're not going to do much beyond that that'll ever make them remembered at Liverpool. Carroll, who's evidently never wanted to be here. Henderson, who's looked too timid and seems clearly to lack the ambition/arrogance to make it at a club as big as ours. The only signing who looks to have some passion and ability to make a difference has unfortunately embroiled himself in such off-the-pitch controversy, and is generally so whiny on the pitch, that it's difficult to love him as one of our own even if you do sympathise with him. That may change if he stays here for a long time, but we'll need to see.

The only remnants of the old guard are Gerrard, Carra, Bellamy, and Kuyt who've all now taken a turn on the wrong side of 30. Reina looks like someone who wishes he'd left for greener pastures 2 years ago, but now accepts that he himself isn't as good as he once was, and knowing that he thus won't attract the kind of suitors he once may have, has resigned himself rather dejectedly to seeing out his days at mediocre Liverpool. The only others who have that hunger to play and win with Liverpool are probably Skrtel, Agger and Lucas. Of those, Agger is a crock, and Lucas someone who's only average-to-good (and also currently injured). That really leaves only Skrtel.

The rest aren't really good enough or are too young/unfocused to really know what it means to play for a winning club. It's difficult to identify with the club with that as the state of affairs. I know a lot of us ridiculed Rafa's constant talk of 'mentality', but I guess this is what he meant. Though of course the manager needs to have an equivalent mentality - hungry, amibitious, skilled and eager to win WITH Liverpool. Rafa had that for a while before his dogged idiosyncracies led to his own downfall. As for Kenny, forget what issues with his style of management, his purchases etc. you may have, does he strike you as having the hunger, the drive or the energy to turn Liverpool around? I don't think so, and that isn't even a criticism. Like Carra as a player, I think he's past it, and as with Carra, I think it'd be best if he accepted that, proud though he may be. Who the person is to get back the zest for winning again at Liverpool, I don't know, but it's a question the owners REALLY need to research and find an answer to soon.
 
Yeah I definitely feel like that and it probably is a bit of a copout because we're shit.

If you're supporting a team (or trying to at least) and you feel no affinity for 90% of the players in it, the whole thing becomes a little strained.
 
I know we're shit, but I look at our squad... Who loves the club? We've spent fucktons and got players who can't be arsed.

Thank fuck for jonjo is all I can say
 
That was me agreeing with dmishra btw... Just less eloquently
 
Try as I might I can't help our results affecting me. Which says to me that I do care in spite of myself. I have a connection to the club which I can't shake with an apathetic approach.

In public I act with indifference at our results and explain it as the transition of new owners, a new manager and wholesale team changes and that it will turn and that the likes of Spurs are just imposters.

Deep down though I can't see us winning another game this season and I do think that is down to the players.

There must be a willingness and mental strength to cope with adversity, recognise who you are representing and play to your maximum for your support as well as yourself. I refuse to believe our group of players are so mediocre as to be unable to cope with the likes of QPR, Wigan, Sunderland et al.

As for Kenny Dalglish, he must be hurting and he must be bemused; he comes from winning stock and is steeped in the clubs culture and must ask himself why such indifference and petulance. I can see him quitting before he's pushed, he will not want to hang around whilst the current players take it upon themselves to turn up only when the spotlight is on them.

We are finely balanced, we have become the Man Utd of the 70's and 80's; I think it'll take the coming of a very special Manager (in the mould of Shankly/Ferguson etc) to turn it around. The new owners have bought into an idea which looks a long way from fruition and unlike me have little connection and may get tired before seeing the light.
 
Ryan said:
IMO, all this bluster you hear on the forum about "I've given up caring these days" is just people refusing to acknowledge that we're fucking shit, in a mess, and have made some shocking decisions.

The same people never seem to "give up caring" when times are good. It's a massive copout.
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Probably right.
Im destroyed by this season.
Im sure next season I'll be turgid again.
 
I dont feel that way at all tbh. You support the club when things are good and when they're shite.
6 losses in 7 games have made me feel a bit meh towards losing, but I'm more worried about the direction we're headed in and the shocking desicions we've made. Something needs to be done about that and those responsible must step up.

The connection and support will always be there. When you wear the red shirt you get my support, simple. Unless your name is Diouf obvs....
 
Fuck this feeling sorry for ourselves. It's time the players get a rocket up their arses to wake them up from this lack of confidence and it's time we get behind them as best we can to get as much out this season as we can. It's tough supporting Liverpool at the moment and has been for about 3 years with all the shit on and off the pitch but it's also the easiest thing in the world supporting a winning team. Things will get better.
 
Sunny said:
Fuck this feeling sorry for ourselves. It's time the players get a rocket up their arses to wake them up from this lack of confidence and it's time we get behind them as best we can to get as much out this season as we can. It's tough supporting Liverpool at the moment and has been for about 3 years with all the shit on and off the pitch but it's also the easiest thing in the world supporting a winning team. Things will get better.
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Well said Sunny.
 
Its quite likely that if you addressed a bunch of multi-millionaires and "put a rocket up their arses" they'd probably tell you to fuck off, because they can.

You need to find out the individual/collective problem and address that surely?
 
I think the point is simply that nothing will matter for the rest of the season. How can you give that much of a fuck when it doesnt matter. We arent playing for anything (league wise obv) so we basically have 7 friendlys to play where most of our players primary instinct is to not get injured for the Euro's.
I cant really blame the likes of Gerrard and Enrique and Kuyt for not giving a fuck for the remainder of the season. They have been let down by inferior team mates and rank bad management. Why should they bust their hump and risk injury (in Gerrard and Kuyts case probably their last chance to win internationally) in order to finish 6th instead of 9th. We are already in the competition that 6th brings so it must be hard to motivate yourself when you (probably) feel really let down by those around you.
Im not disinterested in Liverpool, I love Liverpool and always will, and a loss on the 14th would devastate me, because we are actually playing for something. Losing to Villa on Saturday wont matter to me at all. Id rather not lose of course but it hardly fucking matters.
 
Andy - we have a semi final against Everton and hopefully a final after that. That matters.
 
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In fact, every game matters to me. It's a matter of pride.
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Im way past that mate. We're such a laughing stock its impossible for me to be any more.....whats the opposite of proud....UNproud.
This season has been a shambles.
I really genuinely just want it over and done with.
 
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Why would it ? Don't get that mate - I want to be proud of our club and team not embarrassed.
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Because I dont know many Everton supporters or Mancs so most of my mates have known or know similar troubles.
My work mates dont watch football, my family dont give a fuck. Its only my own pride that could be affected, and honestly mate i dont really care all that much about what anyone thinks of me or my club. I love Liverpool no matter what so im hardly going to get vexed by people thinking we are shit....especially when we are.
Theres little to be proud of this year. Carling cup win and potential FA cup would sweeten the motherfuck out of it though.
 
With every loss the humiliation deepens. I'm with Sunny - it is a matter of pride. I don't want us to finish 10th or worse. I've tried to miss the last couple games because frustration gets the better of me but ultimately I know I'm kinda kidding myself into believing I don't care.

There is something a little alien about this Liverpool team right now though. It's different to when Hodgson was in charge because then it was recognizing something you know and love and being able to pinpoint the root of the problem. Now I'm not sure I recognize it on the field anymore. Who are half of the players playing for us and what on earth are they doing in a red shirt? There is no spine to the team that I really like. In the last ten years or so, we've always had a core group of players that have been crowd favourites (even if they have been surrounded by the likes of Diao and Degen). Where is that group now?
 
keniget said:
With every loss the humiliation deepens. I'm with Sunny - it is a matter of pride. I don't want us to finish 10th or worse. I've tried to miss the last couple games because frustration gets the better of me but ultimately I know I'm kinda kidding myself into believing I don't care.

There is something a little alien about this Liverpool team right now though. It's different to when Hodgson was in charge because then it was recognizing something you know and love and being able to pinpoint the root of the problem. Now I'm not sure I recognize it on the field anymore. Who are half of the players playing for us and what on earth are they doing in a red shirt? There is no spine to the team that I really like. In the last ten years or so, we've always had a core group of players that have been crowd favourites (even if they have been surrounded by the likes of Diao and Degen). Where is that group now?
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He's hurt his knee.
 
You know I was fucking gutted on Sunday after the Toon game. If there was a bad day of the office ever that was it. I felt so fucking down. I got off my arse though, sorted myself out and went to the park with Joe to play footy. Whereas it hurts when Liverpool play the way they do or lose I'm not going to let it affect everyone else around me.
 
Sunny said:
You know I was fucking gutted on Sunday after the Toon game. If there was a bad day of the office ever that was it. I felt so fucking down. I got off my arse though, sorted myself out and went to the park with Joe to play footy. Whereas it hurts when Liverpool play the way they do or lose I'm not going to let it affect everyone else around me.
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Me neither mate. Fuck all dem mans. Its in our hearts forever.
 
The thing is, at the end of the day, we are still Liverpool Football Club. And I love us always.

It's been hard times indeed and I'm not even sure it won't get harder still but remember it's darkest before dawn.

If you have to come up with a positive from all this, when we win the League Title again it will be spelled:

R E D E M P T I O N

And the world will celebrate as one.




*It's corny Tuesday btw and I'm all in....
 
Hopefully at the start of next season Dreambeliever will write us off for the season and then we will KNOW it could be our year.
 
Strangely enough I think not being from Liverpool can make it just as difficult. Where I come from, instead of having to just listen Everton fans( who I dont really mind to be honest, because I can patronise them), I have to listen to Mancs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs the whole lot. Even Leeds for fuck's sake.
 
We'll have Kelly, Flanno, Spearing in the mix next year with some hopefully decent players.

It's an attitude thing: we get players that play their fucking heart our every game and they endear themselves to the fans more. It's pretty simple.
 
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