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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

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Dreambeliever said:
I’ve heard it’s basically a bidding war state vs state to Trump.
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It's dumber than that. States are bidding against each other, and the federal government, for equipment contracts and orders. Then, against each other to curry Trump's favor with whatever the fed aquires.

He has openly advocated that governors who are critical of him, not receive federal help.

He's a sociopath.
 
Farkmaster said:
It's dumber than that. States are bidding against each other, and the federal government, for equipment contracts and orders. Then, against each other to curry Trump's favor with whatever the fed aquires.

He has openly advocated that governors who are critical of him, not receive federal help.

He's a sociopath.
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I don’t think he’s bright enough to be a sociopath.
 
Farkmaster said:
My local hospital is out of n95 masks, pre peak. It's a free for all with states competing for ppe, and my little state has zero chance.
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An American friends of mine has purchased a large amount in China (million plus) to send to the USA. He's in touch via his parents (doctors) with both the Federal Govt and State Govt. He says it's crazy as they are bidding against each other both knowing the other is bidding. He just wants to send them home any which way.

EDIT. Ah. I see you know that already.
 
manwithnoname said:
What other examples do you have?
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For one, they are a lot better at keeping their citizens alive.

In addition to cashless payments, facial recognition, the whole fucking internet, the gig economy, medical equipment, political propaganda, surveillance of civilians etc
 
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Woland said:
H1N1 has a mortality rate of 0.02. I was being optimistic saying Covid had approx 0.5. If it's as high as 1% then it's literally 50 times as lethal. Add in the fact that it's much much much much much easier to catch and I can't even be arsed finishing this sentence
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The higher mortality rate isn't in question, as the figures I quoted showed (the actual difference to be determined). Nor the R value (1.46 to 2-2.4) my question was regarding why the response is so disproportionate (H1N1 still killed over 18,000 in the USA and up to 585,000 globally) however LiveScience has the answer which is pretty simple in the end, not only could they ID it easily but they had a vaccine ready soon after it's appearance and there was a degree of herd immunity amongst older folks that younger people didn't have :

The first case of COVID-19 in the U.S was identified on Jan. 20, and the country's Department of Health and Human Services declared COVID-19 a public health emergency 11 days later, on Jan. 31. Similarly, the U.S. declared the swine flu a public health emergency 11 days after the first confirmed U.S. case in 2009.
But that's about where the similarities stop. Things haven't happened quite as fast or as smoothly with COVID-19 as they did with H1N1.
Within four weeks of detecting H1N1 in 2009, the CDC had begun releasing health supplies from their stockpile that could prevent and treat influenza, and most states in the U.S. had labs capable of diagnosing H1N1 without verification by a CDC test.
 
Woland said:
H1N1 has a mortality rate of 0.02. I was being optimistic saying Covid had approx 0.5. If it's as high as 1% then it's literally 50 times as lethal. Add in the fact that it's much much much much much easier to catch and I can't even be arsed finishing this sentence
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Yeah, but Frog Xi Ping has now moved on from facts like this, and is now delighted that there is some evidence suggesting the Chinese Virus was actually probably not from eating bats in a disgusting filthy wet market in China - although they certainly are eaten - but possibly from eating PANGOLINS in a disgusting filthy wet market in China.

Which is very normal! Many nutritions! Yum yum number one!

Although saying bats is funnier
 
It's roulette. If you eat bats from a pure bat market, or you eat pangolins from a pure pangolin market, then you only have to deal with one bullet in the barrell. If the sole rat virus or sole pangolin virus that you expose yourself to turns out to be fatal, well that's some rotten luck. The problem is when you mix all the combinations together in a rotten infested multi market. Now you have a plethora of viri combinations:

Rat
Snake
Bat
Dog
Cat
Pangolin
Rat mutated in snake
Rat mutated in pangolin
Bat mutated in pangolin
Bat mutated in pangolin and then in cat
Snake mutated in rat
Bat mutated in snake and then in dog

And so on. There's thousands of combinations, leading to thousands of different viruses. Now if one of those turns out to be fatal, not a fucking surprise anymore is it? If one of them turns out to be the most infectious thing you've ever come across, also not a fucking surprise. If you roll the dice that many times, death is inevitable. Perhaps that's the minor little difference between eating pig from a farm, and eating rat from a wet market.
 
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singlerider said:
This whole situation is probably going to inadvertently be a really effective experiment to prove whether or not man-made climate change is real
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I was thinking that too, it's happening at the right time as it's spring in the northern hemisphere which is when the atmospheric CO2 drops due to the plants flowering and leaves growing etc. Could be interesting to see.
 
Freakonomics discussed the environmental impact on the virus with huge reductions in travel. They compared it to steps taken by China in the lead up to the Beijing Olympics. In the build up factories were shut down around Beijing and there was vast improvements to air quality and ultimately quality of life. Until the Olympics finished.
 
Athens said:
I was thinking that too, it's happening at the right time as it's spring in the northern hemisphere which is when the atmospheric CO2 drops due to the plants flowering and leaves growing etc. Could be interesting to see.
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It's more an experiment of our ability to balance economic and life style desires against a planetwide common good. Just as we need to with climate change.

We failed.
 
What's everyone thinking about Hydroxychloroquine? I mean as soon as I heard Trump talking about it I guessed he had shares in it and it did fuck all, but when you have a bit of a Google it seems to be very effective. Trump advocating it seems to turn people off.

Am I being fake news'd? There are Chinese, US and Swiss studies that show that it fixes 80 odd percent of people who are fucked. Did infowars hack them all or something?
 
Woland said:
What's everyone thinking about Hydroxychloroquine? I mean as soon as I heard Trump talking about it I guessed he had shares in it and it did fuck all, but when you have a bit of a Google it seems to be very effective. Trump advocating it seems to turn people off.

Am I being fake news'd? There are Chinese, US and Swiss studies that show that it fixes 80 odd percent of people who are fucked. Did infowars hack them all or something?
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The evidence so far is very limited and compromised. More studies are being done and could yet prove positive but not enough there yet and especially not when Trump went off on it

Not to mention that the combo with azithromycin is prone to causing potentially fatal arrhythmia.
 
Interesting. The boss of Novartis has just come out saying it works and they're producing over a million generics right now. Two other big pharma dudes have jumped in. I'm still sceptical because big pharma are arseholes and this could just be PR, but if they didn't actually believe it then it would be terrible PR. Hmmm
 
It has good successes apparently but there are some counterinteractions with some diabetic medicine. As fatal cases on those with existing illness like diabetes and cardiovascular diseases are the highest, so I suppose doctors are being cautious. But the drug is so cheap!
 
Woland said:
Interesting. The boss of Novartis has just come out saying it works and they're producing over a million generics right now. Two other big pharma dudes have jumped in. I'm still sceptical because big pharma are arseholes and this could just be PR, but if they didn't actually believe it then it would be terrible PR. Hmmm
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When Big D said the same thing, a couple from I assume the southern states noticed their fish tank pellets contained the same compound. They popped a few. The husband died. The wife is in intensive care giving interviews to the fake news about how Trump is to blame.

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There you have it, Big D is a murderer now.
 
Woland said:
What's everyone thinking about Hydroxychloroquine? I mean as soon as I heard Trump talking about it I guessed he had shares in it and it did fuck all, but when you have a bit of a Google it seems to be very effective. Trump advocating it seems to turn people off.

Am I being fake news'd? There are Chinese, US and Swiss studies that show that it fixes 80 odd percent of people who are fucked. Did infowars hack them all or something?
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Seems anti-malarials are effective against it, some at preventing get it (high it seems) and some are also a suitable treatment. Mefloquine and Chloroquine being the main two. My opinion is that if you can source an anti-malarial, then they've got a very high chance of not catching it in the first place, which is why I've no idea why they're not prescribing to the front line NHS staff as a product that's already gone through all its safety testing. I bet they're handing it out like sweets at the white house and for her royal lizard here.
Azithromycin would be used in combination if you've caught it, as its an antibiotic, so if you're in hospital and if it's a choice of death or taking a punt on an safety approved anti-malarial and an anti biotic....

https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/pfizer-data-azithromycin-covid-19-trial/
 
Mors, the world's leading tinfoil-hatted virologist, offers his very valuable opinion.

All we need now is RedNinja and Donavan Reid and I think we'll have cracked it.
 
Mors said:
Seems anti-malarials are effective against it, some at preventing get it (high it seems) and some are also a suitable treatment. Mefloquine and Chloroquine being the main two. My opinion is that if you can source an anti-malarial, then they've got a very high chance of not catching it in the first place, which is why I've no idea why they're not prescribing to the front line NHS staff as a product that's already gone through all its safety testing. I bet they're handing it out like sweets at the white house and for her royal lizard here.
Azithromycin would be used in combination if you've caught it, as its an antibiotic, so if you're in hospital and if it's a choice of death or taking a punt on an safety approved anti-malarial and an anti biotic....

https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/pfizer-data-azithromycin-covid-19-trial/
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There's anecdotal evidence from France and China that it works. I guess there is a good chance that it does, and there's no harm in trying it out if you're about to drop dead. Much like bat soup and snake blood probably cure cancer.
 
dantes said:
When Big D said the same thing, a couple from I assume the southern states noticed their fish tank pellets contained the same compound. They popped a few. The husband died. The wife is in intensive care giving interviews to the fake news about how Trump is to blame.

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There you have it, Big D is a murderer now.
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Am surprised that the Chinese had not been blamed for this. Yet.
 
What does the evidence show?
The French study followed work by Chinese researchers which suggested that hydroxychloroquine can slow infections from Sars-CoV-2, the virus behind Covid-19, by blocking it from entering cells in the body. But more recent, albeit small-scale, research from China has shown that patients who were treated with the drugs fought off coronavirus no more quickly than those who didn’t get it. Indeed, one patient given hydroxychloroquine severely worsened in condition while four patients on the medicine developed signs of liver damage and experienced diarrhea.

Regardless of these findings, any drug being used for a certain purpose before full clinical trials are completed is, by definition, untested and unproven. It’s too early to say if hydroxychloroquine can have a major benefit or not.

Source:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/28/coronavirus-cure-fact-check-hydroxychloroquine-trump
 
Haven't both China and Russia rolled out anti-malarial drugs now (Russia's based on Mefloquine), and India have now banned export and are stockpiling? And then Trump passing comment on them having potential based on what his scientific community are telling him.
 
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