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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

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StevieM said:
See... this is the problem - if the top scientists in the world can’t agree on the science... how are us mere mortals supposed to know.

The answer, as with everything, will be a bit of both sides.

You made a point earlier about one side getting shut down more than the other - which is s fair point.

However there is also a question of equivalence, which has permeated just about every discussion with even a hint of politics - and unfortunately too many false equivalences get drawn.

I’ve never listened to Joe Rogan.

I’ll give him a go - I recommend you give the Doherty Institute a look too.

He also wrote a book called “The Knowledge Wars”, which may be of interest.

Full disclosure - I haven’t read it.
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Definitely. I'm not expecting all the scientists to agree. What I do expect, though, is fair, balanced and open discussion, and the freedom for us plebs to make up our own mind. Definitely agree the truth will be a bit of both and somewhere in the middle.

Joe Rogan can be a bit annoying, he can fluff his guests a bit too much, and he gives the ones he agrees with an easier ride than those he doesn't. I also don't agree with everything that he says or believes in. But he often has good guests you wouldn't hear from in other settings, from both sides of the aisle, which he should be commended on. Depressingly, that's a rare thing to see these days.

I've just had a quick read on the link you provided to Ross. Will read it properly later. But it does seem to offer a refreshingly balanced viewpoint too. The more people speaking out like this, the more promising things will begin to look.
 
StevieM said:
See... this is the problem - if the top scientists in the world can’t agree on the science... how are us mere mortals supposed to know.

The answer, as with everything, will be a bit of both sides.

You made a point earlier about one side getting shut down more than the other - which is s fair point.

However there is also a question of equivalence, which has permeated just about every discussion with even a hint of politics - and unfortunately too many false equivalences get drawn.

I’ve never listened to Joe Rogan.

I’ll give him a go - I recommend you give the Doherty Institute a look too.

He also wrote a book called “The Knowledge Wars”, which may be of interest.

Full disclosure - I haven’t read it.
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I think part of the problem has always been 'the top scientists in the world' thing. In the UK there was always this 'following the science' it was clear until the science wasn't acceptable to what needed to be done.

The science always had limiting factors to it, and seemed at times like guesswork. Then when the narrative changes quickly people get irked.
I do listen to Rogan a lot, though I've not listened to those two scientists mentioned above. He tends, imo, to be pretty balanced in the views. On this occasion though, it's not even about Rogan, just listen to the view of the two scientists and what they have to say.
 
dantes said:
Don't make me rip the eyes out of your head and piss into your dead skull. Don't fuck with the wrong prophet my child.
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I think you are a false prophet.
You are promoting temptation and obviously are listening to the vicious lies spoken by false prophets.
You have broken faith with science.
You are a sinner.
 
I'd love ivermectin to be a thing that works and maybe it does and maybe big pharma have been working on trashing its reputation, but it only takes a few minutes of googling to find out that seemingly positive preprint from Brazil can't be taken at face value at all.
 
Atlas said:
I think part of the problem has always been 'the top scientists in the world' thing. In the UK there was always this 'following the science' it was clear until the science wasn't acceptable to what needed to be done.

The science always had limiting factors to it, and seemed at times like guesswork. Then when the narrative changes quickly people get irked.
I do listen to Rogan a lot, though I've not listened to those two scientists mentioned above. He tends, imo, to be pretty balanced in the views. On this occasion though, it's not even about Rogan, just listen to the view of the two scientists and what they have to say.
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I’ll give it a listen - take a look at those Doherty Inst links - lot of stuff on there.

Not in any way saying it of they are definitive, but, for right or for wrong they have informed a lot of public policy in Australia and they do try to get in to detail behind a lot of the science in an accessible way.

I don’t read much in the way of Australian media, do t follow anyone on Twitter, use Facebook for little else other than posting Star Wars memes or what bottle of wine I’m drinking...
 
Woland said:
I'd love ivermectin to be a thing that works and maybe it does and maybe big pharma have been working on trashing its reputation, but it only takes a few minutes of googling to find out that seemingly positive preprint from Brazil can't be taken at face value at all.
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Let’s wait for Ross to explain why he’s certain the study is definitive proof he’s right and we’re all dumb sheep it something.

I’m certain, with his legal training, he’ll present a cast iron case.

I wouldn’t expect him to ignore this opportunity to showcase his superior intelligence in any way at all.
 
StevieM said:
I’ll give it a listen - take a look at those Doherty Inst links - lot of stuff on there.

Not in any way saying it of they are definitive, but, for right or for wrong they have informed a lot of public policy in Australia and they do try to get in to detail behind a lot of the science in an accessible way.

I don’t read much in the way of Australian media, do t follow anyone on Twitter, use Facebook for little else other than posting Star Wars memes or what bottle of wine I’m drinking...
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Just read the first link. Can't argue with any of that. Think I've heard of that Remdesivir on one of Rogan's podcast.

I think once we get antiviral drugs in wide circulation to tackle the virus, we might see all this vaccine/lockdown shit calm down a little.
 
Atlas said:
Can you stop encouraging him please
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If I may break faith for a brief moment, I was trying to encourage you to think like scientists for yourselves, for many months, all to no avail. Now, because the alternative science is leaking its way onto your podcasts and political debates, now you suddenly want to assess the science for yourselves. The truth is you're not going to be able to because ultimately you need to understand mathematics and that will always hinder you. So you're left with having to accept one side or the other on faith, no matter how you dress it up, it's basically just faith. But this acceptance already happened, the vaccine rollout happened, the restrictions, the passports, the segregation, the compliance, the boosters, it's all happened already. I fail to see why you're worried about the alternative science now. It's a moot point. You just need to reaffirm your faith in the fauci science, otherwise if you choose to believe the other science then you're going to have a real hard time living in the world going forward. Especially where your progeny are concerned. So you see, it really is best for you to accept the truth of our lord.
 
Halmeister said:
Just read the first link. Can't argue with any of that. Think I've heard of that Remdesivir on one of Rogan's podcast.

I think once we get antiviral drugs in wide circulation to tackle the virus, we might see all this vaccine/lockdown shit calm down a little.
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I hope so.

Starting to get a little nuts over here again - but it’s mostly being driven by governmental incompetence and general public stupidity rather than by design or nefarious plot for world domination.
 
StevieM said:
Let’s wait for Ross to explain why he’s certain the study is definitive proof he’s right and we’re all dumb sheep it something.

I’m certain, with his legal training, he’ll present a cast iron case.

I wouldn’t expect him to ignore this opportunity to showcase his superior intelligence in any way at all.
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I think my superior intelligence is shown in that I never claimed to have definitive proof, but you seem to think that is the only standard that's relevant.

Again it shows just how fucking stupid you are.

There's plenty of other studies showing the same and plenty of anecdotal evidence of all the rich people in America doing the same by taking Ivermectin amongst other things.

But by all means engage in a bit of back slappery with Woland, a man who believes in the healing power of a witches fingers in his arse.
 
dantes said:
If I may break faith for a brief moment, I was trying to encourage you to think like scientists for yourselves, for many months, all to no avail. Now, because the alternative science is leaking its way onto your podcasts and political debates, now you suddenly want to assess the science for yourselves. The truth is you're not going to be able to because ultimately you need to understand mathematics and that will always hinder you. So you're left with having to accept one side or the other on faith, no matter how you dress it up, it's basically just faith. But this acceptance already happened, the vaccine rollout happened, the restrictions, the passports, the segregation, the compliance, the boosters, it's all happened already. I fail to see why you're worried about the alternative science now. It's a moot point. You just need to reaffirm your faith in the fauci science, otherwise if you choose to believe the other science then you're going to have a real hard time living in the world going forward. Especially where your progeny are concerned. So you see, it really is best for you to accept the truth of our lord.
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Firstly, if I may, thank you for engaging in an actual normal response.

It's a sliding scale and one where people have different 'stops' along the way, there's clearly some people who are not even interested in getting on for whatever reason and others who are happy to ride it all the way.
The Frog in hot water analogy comes to mind.

I've considered a lot of the narrative and thought throughout and was always nervous about the passports, the segregation. That doesn't take away from the fact the vaccine was effective for lots of people in reducing and limited the effect of the virus. I questions lots of people about the side effects, and I was sure there would be lots of people affected by the vaccines but it's a numbers game.. the hyped up narrative on both sides don't offer the 'truth'.
I was ok with the lockdown and the vaccines initially, I'm still ok with masks, I've always maintained the looking after ones own health prevention view before anything else which is what I'm mostly annoyed about. Boosting the immune system is more than a booster jab. As for the alternative science view, I was talking about this well over 18 months ago re Vit D, Zinc supplementation. As for Ivermectin, it isn't the magic bullet, it might help but again listening to Rogan, he thing it was the monoclonal antibodies much more than ivermectin.. but Ivermectin becomes the political football everyone wants to kick shit out of each other over rather than address the point, that there are alternatives that need looking at.

And we have our own biases, circumstances and situations we need to consider, those we are responsible for and consider a reaction based on the best knowledge we have. I'm fully ok with my late 70s parents getting the jab, and the booster. I'm less ok with my not even 10 son and daughter getting a vaccine. It's not a one size answer.
 
Rosco said:
I think my superior intelligence is shown in that I never claimed to have definitive proof, but you seem to think that is the only standard that's relevant.

Again it shows just how fucking stupid you are.

There's plenty of other studies showing the same and plenty of anecdotal evidence of all the rich people in America doing the same by taking Ivermectin amongst other things.

But by all means engage in a bit of back slappery with Woland, a man who believes in the healing power of a witches fingers in his arse.
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My piles wouldn't cope these days
 
StevieM said:
I hope so.

Starting to get a little nuts over here again - but it’s mostly being driven by governmental incompetence and general public stupidity rather than by design or nefarious plot for world domination.
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Italy just approved that green pass as well. Every time I think we're starting to get out of this, some mad shit happens.
 
Halmeister said:
Italy just approved that green pass as well. Every time I think we're starting to get out of this, some mad shit happens.
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I think you can take the piss out of the vaccines all day because of claims made about them that weren't true, but they also saved millions of lives and kept countless others out of the ICU. Whether it makes your sperm turn inside out is yet to be seen but I don't know where all those rumours started from, apart from some theory about the Illuminati wanting to depopulate the planet.

What is undeniable is that vaccine passports can't and won't work, so everyone pushing them through has alterior, shitty motives.
 
The Djocovid thing too. I mean he's had covid in the last six months so is at least as immune as anyone who's had a vaccine ever, so the pile on is just about policy, nothing to do with public health. The only reason for not letting him into Australia is 'we all had it shit, we'd like you to have it shit too'.
 
Woland said:
I think you can take the piss out of the vaccines all day because of claims made about them that weren't true, but they also saved millions of lives and kept countless others out of the ICU. Whether it makes your sperm turn inside out is yet to be seen but I don't know where all those rumours started from, apart from some theory about the Illuminati wanting to depopulate the planet.

What is undeniable is that vaccine passports can't and won't work, so everyone pushing them through has alterior, shitty motives.
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I'm not sure if they have ulterior, shitty motives ... I just think they're thick and think 'pressure' will force people to get vaccinated etc ...
 
LeTallecWiz said:
I'm not sure if they have ulterior, shitty motives ... I just think they're thick and think 'pressure' will force people to get vaccinated etc ...
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Why though? In the UK at present there are supposed to be about 3 million people positive with covid, of which 900, so 0.03 percent of all of them, are in ICU. There's more than that in there because they drink or smoke, but no-one is asking for drinkers or smokers passports. The disease is being used to create digital databases, via apps that know everything about you, which you mightn't be that bothered about right this minute, but who knows how the world is about to unfold over the next few months and years.
 
So after denying any involvement with the gain of function research Fauci now admits he collaborated with Chinese Commun ... Chinese scientists.

 
Woland said:
Why though? In the UK at present there are supposed to be about 3 million people positive with covid, of which 900, so 0.03 percent of all of them, are in ICU. There's more than that in there because they drink or smoke, but no-one is asking for drinkers or smokers passports. The disease is being used to create digital databases, via apps that know everything about you, which you mightn't be that bothered about right this minute, but who knows how the world is about to unfold over the next few months and years.
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I think they know everything about us already ... If we really want to stop them knowing so much about us, go back to old fashioned cellphones etc ...
 
LeTallecWiz said:
I think they know everything about us already ... If we really want to stop them knowing so much about us, go back to old fashioned cellphones etc ...
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Apple don't hand over shit. Loads of people on Android use VPNs now. But if you've got an app that you need to do anything, go anywhere, running on your phone all the time, which is taking all the data it wants off your phone, govts don't need to spy on ISPs anymore or take companies to court to provide data.
 
Woland said:
The Djocovid thing too. I mean he's had covid in the last six months so is at least as immune as anyone who's had a vaccine ever, so the pile on is just about policy, nothing to do with public health. The only reason for not letting him into Australia is 'we all had it shit, we'd like you to have it shit too'.
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It's clearly to make an example of him, he had the blind tested independent review panel hand him the certificate but the PM stepped in to ensure he's not getting away with it.
 
The potentially funny thing about that, which I dunno if it's true but I've seen a few people commenting on it, is that loads of players got the same waiver. It's just that he tweeted about it and it all blew up from there. So there could be loads there and their identities will gradually be leaked and what are they gonna do then?
 
Woland said:
Why though? In the UK at present there are supposed to be about 3 million people positive with covid, of which 900, so 0.03 percent of all of them, are in ICU. There's more than that in there because they drink or smoke, but no-one is asking for drinkers or smokers passports. The disease is being used to create digital databases, via apps that know everything about you, which you mightn't be that bothered about right this minute, but who knows how the world is about to unfold over the next few months and years.
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The end game, I reckon, is to create an entire digital passport on every person. All your information will be on it, financial credit, driver's license, vaccine status... then eventually, social credit score. It's all with the aim of bringing that in, like in China.
 
Halmeister said:
The end game, I reckon, is to create an entire digital passport on every person. All your information will be on it, financial credit, driver's license, vaccine status... then eventually, social credit score. It's all with the aim of bringing that in, like in China.
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The thing is, we're more worried about this kind of thing here than most other places in Europe cos loads of them already have something similar in place. Was working on a Danish 'payroll' system a few years ago and couldn't believe the shit they hold on it. It's just accepted there.
 
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