Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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I haven't heard that bit. Would have to see the context.
You listen to Joe Rogan ?
I haven't listened to any of it, but did he mention that he is vaccinated himself?
Yeah, he did. I think he also said that he had Covid twice.
Do not listen to him, he is a fallen prophet who has rejected the scientific canon and preaches his own heretical thoughts in total defiance of our righteous lord. By the grace of our lord's light there is only one true science, and it is the one delivered unto you by his most esteemed prophets like his holiness sir chris whitty.
Am I mixing him up with McCullough who said you can't get it twice?
Yeah McCullough was the one who said that.
I have to admit, when I listened to the McCullough episode my bullshit alarm went off a few times. Malone, though, and I'm only halfway through, seems to be speaking sincerely and coherently.
Yeah, he conducts himself quite good in all honesty. I'm a bit vary of someone who says they are the inventor of the mnRa vaccines, when there are probably more than 100 people who contributed in different parts to that. He's also been called out for some false and wrong information.
Dear child, don't you see? It doesn't matter who he is or what anyone thinks of him, or what your instincts tell you about his character, or anything like that. All that matters is the scientific claim he makes about virus. And the only thing that determines the validity of that claim is the science. So you see my child, you mustn't distract yourself with emotional biases, the science is what matters for that is the true light of our lord, and it is spoken unto you by his holiness sir chris whitty and his brothers. These are the prophets of our lord. That is all that matters, and it is all you need to know to stay on the righteous path to salvation.
I didn't listen to much of it, just a few sound bites, but have read a few summaries. I think I agree with a bunch of what he says. Primarily that the vaccine is not suitable for Omicron, given it was designed for previous variants, and also the points that data is mostly not clean enough for us to be sure of a lot of things, and the parts about in being in a lot of people's interest to continue this (which we've said on here a few times).
He's definitely somewhat scathed from not getting the recognition he feels he deserves, Kariko seems to be the person most widely credited with coming up with mRNA vaccines, so I'm somewhat sceptical of his motives being totally altruistic.
The Ivermectin stuff is strange, as it was definitely common knowledge that they were using it India. They stopped using it, and there's been some analysis to say it made no difference. From what I've seen there hasn't been anything to suggest it does help.
He's biggest problem is that he'll be bucketed in with McCullough and a bunch of crazy stuff that is on the likes of r/conspiracy. They'll leap on some things he says, take it out of context and use it to justify pretty much anything, as they've been doing for a year or more now.
I also wish he'd stay away from the comparison with Nazis, he's not a psychologist, nor Jewish or a German. He should have stopped before that part, and it's that part that I think a lot of people are jumping on.
I'd be interested seeing him on something that actually had a debate with someone knowledgeable.
Is there any data that shows that Ivemectin is a problem when used in correct doses?
I don't think so, I just haven't see any that says it does any good. I think Malone just says it has potential, and there hasn't been enough effort into seeing if it does. The fact that Merck, who make it, who would obviously be the ones that would make most from it, don't seem to think there's value in it probably says something.
Hasn't that been the driving force of the fight against 'rona in Uttar PRadesh in INdia?
No, I don't think it has. They certainly used it, but I don't any correlation between ivermectin and Covid was shown.
Odd - I see the Merck building right outside my office here ...
It's a valid point - if this was a way of eradicating the virus once you're infected, why didn't they push this to compete with Pfizer? Surely a win win for them financially too.
If Merck was owned by different people than Pfizer, yes it would be.
There's a lot of common shareholders.
But let's be realistic business folks - you have something that can make your company sky rocket ahead ... at least based on what you and the holy scientist has said, this basically kills the disease or limits its ability to mess with your body. If that's the case, why on earth wouldn't that be pushed as that? or at least fight back when your product is mislabeled with a lawsuit?
Because if you do that you provide the evidence that the EUA were fraudulently obtained leaving you open to fines etc and your much more expensive and profitable product becomes irrelevant.
Is the vaccine more profitable?
The patent expired in the 1996th year of our lord.
Ivermectin is a generic drug now. The patent is open market and is very cheap to make, and anyone in theory could make it now and sell it. It doesn't make as much money as the vaccines. That's the theory put forward anyway.
Plus, there's the angle that effective treatments for the disease will render the emergency laws granted to governments unnecessary, which would affect policy they want to implement and these vaccine mandates.
I don't know if any of this actually true, and to be honest, there's probably no way of ever knowing for sure, but I'm probably leaning towards this being the case. The clear and obvious smear campaign against Ivermectin was certainly bizarre. As Gerry said, though, I've seen loads of stuff from one side saying Ivermectin is crushing Covid, then the other side taking the exact opposite position. It's so hard to know what the truth is anymore in this world.
Plus, there's the angle that effective treatments for the disease will render the emergency laws granted to governments unnecessary, which would affect policy they want to implement and these vaccine mandates.
I don't know if any of this actually true, and to be honest, there's probably no way of ever knowing for sure, but I'm probably leaning towards this being the case. The clear and obvious smear campaign against Ivermectin was certainly bizarre. As Gerry said, though, I've seen loads of stuff from one side saying Ivermectin is crushing Covid, then the other side taking the exact opposite position. It's so hard to know what the truth is anymore in this world.
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Listening to Rogan, there certainly seems to be a concerted effort by forces in the US to shut down avenues of any treatment other than getting the vaccine. Could you see pharmaceutical companies acting in such a way? Definitely. I'm erring on the side of them being evil capitalistic cunts all the way through this.
I dunno, you would see more doctors coming out and saying ivermectin works. The vaccines are more expensive to produce than tablets as well. Also, why aren't the generic companies coming out and saying it works?
If I go another few days and I haven't got the rona after what I've been through the past few days then I'm declaring myself immune to it.
No my child, they are shutting down heretical speech by those who would desecrate the divine work of our lord. They are righteously doing the lord's work, they do it for you, so that his light may guide all of his children to salvation through his holy gift of the vaccine.