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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

The main two theories around the Omicron origin are Botswana, which has low vaccination rate and lab leak. Neither of which backs up it being caused by vaccines. If it were from vaccines, we'd likely see variants from the most highly vaccinated countries?

All other variants predate vaccines, so I don't see how that one has any legs.

The lord of biology has gifted you with this wisdom. You must now open your heart to the lord of chemistry, and you will know an even deeper truth. That the hydrocarbons which formed the first variant, they predate the formation of the lab and indeed of the earth itself, which proves that it is of divine celestial origins.
 
I've seen a theory that it was a deliberate leak, seeded at COP26. When it ended it was transported back to various corners of the world.

It just took hold in S.A. first, but it could have been anywhere.

To what end though? If they wanted to prolong it, would they not have created a more deadly version?

I get lab leak by incompetence, but malicious doesn't really tie up with the same people saying that Covid is overblown. If people wanted to be malicious, would they not have made it more deadly?
 
To what end though? If they wanted to prolong it, would they not have created a more deadly version?

I get lab leak by incompetence, but malicious doesn't really tie up with the same people saying that Covid is overblown. If people wanted to be malicious, would they not have made it more deadly?
It's Schrodinger's virus, alongside Schrodinger's mask which somehow doesn't block the virus but blocks oxygen.
 
ires.

We disagree on what the impact is. I believe they vaccines created the variants and enabled the wider spread of covid through the vaccinated- which would be over by now had we not started out with shit vaccines.

This is the bit I can’t get my head around with you.

It makes no sense.

It’s not the vaccines enabling the spreading, it the easing of restrictions that’s enabling the spread, while the vaccines are minimising the effect of the virus.

Are the variants not coming out of countries with low vaccination rates?
 
So many pointless questions. The good news has been given to you for your salvation, it is not for you to understand why or how and to start questioning the will of your maker. Simply accept his divine gift and you will be at peace under his glorious light.
 
The variants all predate the roll out of vaccines though? If it was vaccines creating them, and non lab creations or the more common belief that it's volumes of cases, then we'd see more of them and more variants for other diseases like measles etc?

I don't think it's a coincidence that the pandemic has hot richer countries harder no, bit largely because we tend to travel a lot more, giving it more chance to spread outside your area.

I can't really say much about the side affects in first two weeks, other than clinical trials over large samples, which tracked people over long periods showed that side affects are small volumes. You can also see it in general deaths, the only category where a lot more people have died is in Covid. Cardiac, cancer etc are all much the same. So if they're not going down as Covid deaths, where are they?

Gerry you dont even believe that an email released under FOI by the US government is real because it challenges your preset notions.

You are completely off kilter
 
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I pray for your soul. This book is not part of the scientific canon, it is heresy, for all that is holy I implore you to burn it with fire.
 
I pray for their souls too Dantes

(P.S. when do I get some of the millions you are making by mean the Holy Savior Scientist?)

My child, you will have no need for any millions, you will be happy in the light of our lord. All the earthly goods and services you require will be provided to you by the holy church and the new state, in accordance with your social credit score. The sole purpose of money will be as a commodity to be traded between investors, which you do not need to concern yourself with, have faith that the prophets of the sacred church of economics will deliver the good news of their excess returns to you in good time.
 



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Harvard professor convicted by U.S. jury of lying about China ties
Nate Raymond
Tue, December 21, 2021, 5:55 PM·3 min read

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FILE PHOTO: Lieber leaves federal court after being charged in Boston


By Nate Raymond

BOSTON (Reuters) -A Harvard University professor was convicted on Tuesday of U.S. charges that he lied about his ties to a China-run recruitment program in a closely-watched case stemming from a crackdown on Chinese influence within U.S. research.

A federal jury in Boston found Charles Lieber, a renowned nanoscientist and the former chairman of Harvard's chemistry department, guilty of making false statements to authorities, filing false tax returns and failing to report a Chinese bank account.


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Prosecutors alleged that Lieber, in his quest for a Nobel Prize, in 2011 agreed to become a "strategic scientist" at Wuhan University of Technology in China and through it participated in a Chinese recruitment drive called the Thousand Talents Program.

Prosecutors say China uses that program to recruit foreign researchers to share their knowledge with the country. Participation is not a crime, but prosecutors contend Lieber, 62, lied to authorities inquiring about his involvement.

Defense lawyer Marc Mukasey had countered that prosecutors had "mangled" evidence, lacked key documents to support their claims and relied too heavily on a "confused" FBI interview with the scientist after his arrest.


Lieber, who is battling cancer, sat emotionless the verdict was announced following nearly three hours of jury deliberations and a six-day trial.

"We respect the verdict and will keep up the fight," Mukasey said.

Lieber was charged in January 2020 as part of the U.S. Department of Justice's "China Initiative," which launched during former President Donald Trump's administration to counter suspected Chinese economic espionage and research theft.

President Joe Biden's administration has continued the initiative, though the Justice Department has said it is reviewing its approach.

Critics contend https://www.reuters.com/world/us/st...ram-looking-chinese-spies-academia-2021-09-13 the initiative harms academic research, racially profiles Chinese researchers and terrorized some scientists. A Tennessee professor was acquitted by a judge this year following a mistrial, and prosecutors dropped charges against six other researchers.

Prosecutors said Lieber lied about his role in the Thousand Talents Program in response to inquiries from the U.S. Defense Department and the U.S. National Institutes of Health, which had awarded him $15 million in research grants.

During an interview with FBI agents following his arrest, Lieber said he was "younger and stupid" when he linked up with the Wuhan university and believed his collaboration would help boost his recognition.

That school agreed to pay him up to $50,000 per month plus $158,000 in living expenses, and he was paid in cash and deposits to a Chinese bank account, prosecutors said.

Lieber told the FBI he was paid between $50,000 and $100,000 in cash and that the bank account at one time contained $200,000.

But prosecutors said Lieber failed to report his salary on his 2013 and 2014 income tax returns and for two years failed to report the bank account.

(Reporting by Nate Raymond in BostonEditing by Bill Berkrot, David Bario, Aurora Ellis and Sonya Hepinstall)

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No you added something to attempt to discredit someone who doesn't share your opinion.

It's a matter of record that his work was the first step in MRNA vaccines.

I bet the "fact checkers" gave you that idea
You claimed (or repeated his claim) that he's the 'inventor of mRNA vaccines'. Now it's 'his work was the first step in MRNA vaccines'. See the subtle difference? It appears from some cursory research that a discovery he made was a key stepping stone to the future development of mRNA vaccines, but that much work was done before and after to bring mRNA vaccines to fruition. Is that a fairer assessment?

One thing which is absolutely clear is that he's a very insecure and embittered man who doesn't feel he's been given the credit he deserves. And he's even produced an amateurish blog to tell the world (or a very small fraction of it) how important he is, and how hard done-by he's been. He may well be right, but we really only have his word for it, because it appears nobody else takes him seriously.
 
You claimed (or repeated his claim) that he's the 'inventor of mRNA vaccines'. Now it's 'his work was the first step in MRNA vaccines'. See the subtle difference? It appears from some cursory research that a discovery he made was a key stepping stone to the future development of mRNA vaccines, but that much work was done before and after to bring mRNA vaccines to fruition. Is that a fairer assessment?

One thing which is absolutely clear is that he's a very insecure and embittered man who doesn't feel he's been given the credit he deserves. And he's even produced an amateurish blog to tell the world (or a very small fraction of it) how important he is, and how hard done-by he's been. He may well be right, but we really only have his word for it, because it appears nobody else takes him seriously.

The only thing that's clear is you're offended by alternative views.
 
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