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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

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The missus got her booster jab yesterday.

She’s still alive - she a bit of a hangover type reaction this morning.

She has a big patch and of red skin across the top of her shoulder, skin’s warm and she has a bit of a rash.

She’s on the Moscato... so... no issues at all.
 
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StevieM said:
The missus got her booze steer jab yesterday.

She’s still alive - she a bit of a hangover type reaction this morning.

She has a big patch and of red skin across the top of her shoulder, skin’s warm and she has a bit of a rash.

She’s on the Moscato... so... no issues at all.
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She what?
 
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StevieM said:
This “narrative” that Australia is “terrifyingly mental” is quite interesting - where is that coming from?

I’m a lot more scared and suspicious of someone suddenly raising mistreatment of aboriginal people as being something driven by COVID. All of a sudden it’s like the holocaust is it?

There’s also a lot of nonsense getting spouted over the quarantine facilities being built that I don’t quite get.

It’s not exactly some sort of mass internment facility with harsh conditions and zero facilities.

You realise that the view from Australia is that the UK has been a disaster zone throughout all this.
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For me, it's stuff like this...

https://youtube.com/shorts/pjGkCTxWGsY?feature=share
 
Halmeister said:
For me, it's stuff like this...

https://youtube.com/shorts/pjGkCTxWGsY?feature=share
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This isn’t a normal everyday occurrence - although the video is designed to make you think it is.

I notice the American presenting the video - there’s been a large push to portray Australia as “lost” etc by US people on social media - with Fox News cheerleading.

I’m not sure Rupert Murdoch has liberty and freedom for all on his mind.

Back to the video - I feel like there’s something else going on there - Daily Mail reported that Police has stated the guy had been approached for not wearing a mask, had been told to move on and had failed to provide his details.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...wns-restrictions-arrest-smoking-Victoria.html

So there’s lots of things to unpack here - is it the laws given to Police to enforce restrictions that you don’t like or the overzealous nature of the policing.

I totally agree that there are some “nasty” draconian laws that were introduced during COVID (although mostly temporarily) - the flip side of that is that many of these rules weren’t that restrictive (anyone getting upset at wearing a face mask needs to have a word with themselves).

As for the Police - I’ve had a fair few interactions with the Police (mostly from running a pub in a prominent City location) - it normally takes something significant for cops to escalate to bringing someone down and cuffing them - that’s usually something driven by the behaviour of the person they’ve approached, in my experience.

The irony of an American posting about Police over-reaction in a video is not lost on me either.

I mean this video was shot during a Melbourne lockdown, the guy knows that you’ll get fined for not wearing a mask, it’s an open park, the cops won’t exactly be hiding behind a bush waiting to jump out.

Obviously neither of us is aware of exactly what went on and while it certainly doesn’t present a good look, it’s also not the norm.

So, if this is what gives you the fear - then I’d honestly suggest there are things far scarier - a read through the comments section on the video should fill you with more fear.
 
StevieM said:
This isn’t a normal everyday occurrence - although the video is designed to make you think it is.

I notice the American presenting the video - there’s been a large push to portray Australia as “lost” etc by US people on social media - with Fox News cheerleading.

I’m not sure Rupert Murdoch has liberty and freedom for all on his mind.

Back to the video - I feel like there’s something else going on there - Daily Mail reported that Police has stated the guy had been approached for not wearing a mask, had been told to move on and had failed to provide his details.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...wns-restrictions-arrest-smoking-Victoria.html

So there’s lots of things to unpack here - is it the laws given to Police to enforce restrictions that you don’t like or the overzealous nature of the policing.

I totally agree that there are some “nasty” draconian laws that were introduced during COVID (although mostly temporarily) - the flip side of that is that many of these rules weren’t that restrictive (anyone getting upset at wearing a face mask needs to have a word with themselves).

As for the Police - I’ve had a fair few interactions with the Police (mostly from running a pub in a prominent City location) - it normally takes something significant for cops to escalate to bringing someone down and cuffing them - that’s usually something driven by the behaviour of the person they’ve approached, in my experience.

The irony of an American posting about Police over-reaction in a video is not lost on me either.

I mean this video was shot during a Melbourne lockdown, the guy knows that you’ll get fined for not wearing a mask, it’s an open park, the cops won’t exactly be hiding behind a bush waiting to jump out.

Obviously neither of us is aware of exactly what went on and while it certainly doesn’t present a good look, it’s also not the norm.

So, if this is what gives you the fear - then I’d honestly suggest there are things far scarier - a read through the comments section on the video should fill you with more fear.
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Yeah swerve the yank at the end. I didn't even listen to him.

However, I have seen several videos like this. It may not be an every day occurrence, but one is too many. And I think those draconian laws are there to stay, unfortunately. But hey, if you're fine with it, cool.
 
Halmeister said:
Yeah swerve the yank at the end. I didn't even listen to him.

However, I have seen several videos like this. It may not be an every day occurrence, but one is too many. And I think those draconian laws are there to stay, unfortunately. But hey, if you're fine with it, cool.
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Mate... those rules have been removed (the ones regarding wearing masks outside) - there was relatively clear guidance forcwhat needed to happen to relax restrictions - and restrictions were relaxed once conditions were met.

You might not like the restrictions when they were in place - but carrot and stick effect has got Australia from woefully low levels of vaccination to banging on the door of 90% 16+ vaccinated in a short space of time.

Infection rates and death rates have been low when compared to other countries - 215k cases and 2k deaths.

So yeah I am cool with temporary measures that seemingly lead to less infections and deaths that are removed when they’ve done their job.

If you’re still stressing about things that aren’t a really a thing anymore, that’s cool too - and while I absolutely agree with you that there are elements to this which are concerning - I think you’re mostly stressing over a lot of nonsense, if I’m honest.
 
StevieM said:
Mate... those rules have been removed (the ones regarding wearing masks outside) - there was relatively clear guidance forcwhat needed to happen to relax restrictions - and restrictions were relaxed once conditions were met.

You might not like the restrictions when they were in place - but carrot and stick effect has got Australia from woefully low levels of vaccination to banging on the door of 90% 16+ vaccinated in a short space of time.

Infection rates and death rates have been low when compared to other countries - 215k cases and 2k deaths.

So yeah I am cool with temporary measures that seemingly lead to less infections and deaths that are removed when they’ve done their job.

If you’re still stressing about things that aren’t a really a thing anymore, that’s cool too - and while I absolutely agree with you that there are elements to this which are concerning - I think you’re mostly stressing over a lot of nonsense, if I’m honest.
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What I'm saying is, you'll never get back to life the way it was before. None of us will, I don't think. But Australia definitely seems like the extreme end of the spectrum. We will be in a perpetual state of emergency, which will allow the government to bring back these draconian measures whenever they feel like it. They'll move the goalposts again shortly with this omicron, and you'll have to start again from scratch and get 90%+ booster shots.

I just don't think any of this is necessary. I don't want to completely downplay the virus, but the reaction to it has been way over the top. I don't think low cases/deaths (however loosely the latter is calculated) has been worth it versus what people have gone through for 2 years. And it's not about our health. When have these twats ever been concerned about our health?
 
Halmeister said:
What I'm saying is, you'll never get back to life the way it was before. None of us will, I don't think. But Australia definitely seems like the extreme end of the spectrum. We will be in a perpetual state of emergency, which will allow the government to bring back these draconian measures whenever they feel like it. They'll move the goalposts again shortly with this omicron, and you'll have to start again from scratch and get 90%+ booster shots.

I just don't think any of this is necessary. I don't want to completely downplay the virus, but the reaction to it has been way over the top. I don't think low cases/deaths (however loosely the latter is calculated) has been worth it versus what people have gone through for 2 years. And it's not about our health. When have these twats ever been concerned about our health?
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The rationale put forward was to stop health services from being overwhelmed, which in fairness we have seen a lot of evidence of at the peak of the pandemic.
 
Halmeister said:
What I'm saying is, you'll never get back to life the way it was before. None of us will, I don't think. But Australia definitely seems like the extreme end of the spectrum. We will be in a perpetual state of emergency, which will allow the government to bring back these draconian measures whenever they feel like it. They'll move the goalposts again shortly with this omicron, and you'll have to start again from scratch and get 90%+ booster shots.

I just don't think any of this is necessary. I don't want to completely downplay the virus, but the reaction to it has been way over the top. I don't think low cases/deaths (however loosely the latter is calculated) has been worth it versus what people have gone through for 2 years. And it's not about our health. When have these twats ever been concerned about our health?
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I don’t know what spectrum you think Australia is at the end of, honestly, I don’t.

Are you from Australia, or live here? - I’m sorry, I don’t know?

Life is pretty much back to normal - there isn’t much I’d normally want to do that I can’t - even if it means wearing a face mask the odd time or scanning a QR code.

That’s not to say it hasn’t been tough for some people - I mentioned previously that I hadn’t been negatively impacted - but that’s largely driven by me getting out of hospitality after 20 odd years, 6 months prior to COVID hitting.

You’ll find people that have lost loved ones that will tell you not enough was done.

I’m sure your as comfortable with the decisions you e taken as I am - I don’t know if we should have gone harder - I don’t think I do - but I’m not sure going easier would have made things better.

My partner is a paramedic - I’ve seen the stress and strain all this has put her under, the impact it’s had to her and her colleagues and she does have people’s health and safety at heart.

So yeah.. I get you’re suspicious of politicians, big business - but there’s a lot of this negativity that’s overblown.
 
Health services have barely been coping with restrictions in place at the height of the pandemic.
God knows what would have happened if no action had been taken, but the attitude that this was uneccessary is incredibly naive.
 
You can elect a new government. You can transact with small business. You have that freedom. What you can never do is dictate monetary policy to your central bank. Guess whose assets and powers went to the moon whilst you sit there oblivious to it all? Here is your RBA's balance sheet. It means nothing to you, but you'll learn and your children will learn what it meas in due course.

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Hansern said:
Health services have barely been coping with restrictions in place at the height of the pandemic.
God knows what would have happened if no action had been taken, but the attitude that this was uneccessary is incredibly naive.
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Health services have been struggling because they've been deliberately and strategically underfunded for decades by tories in this country.

I'm not saying no action should've been taken, and there was understandable panic at the outset, but there's no need to impose stricter measures now as deaths aren't where they were, the variants are becoming milder, we know more about what we're dealing with etc.

I know far more people who have died/deteriorated rapidly because their treatment/appointments were cancelled to accommodate covid than I do anyone that even had an adverse reaction to the virus. I know that's anecdotal, but I think we're doing untold damage in the long run because everyone is shitting themselves unnecessarily in the main part. None of the mainstream talk about this omicron variant is about how there are hardly any deaths (are there any?) Or how it appears much milder. It's all about ramping up fear. And that's by design.
 
Around 90% of Covid hospitalisations are the unvaxxed gumps. This is why appointments and surgeries are once again being cancelled as we go into winter.
 
And I'm not doubting the vaccine reduces the chance of hospitalisations either, by the way
 
It's not 90%, that will depend on how much of a the population bis vaccinated. If 100% of the population was vaccinated, then it'd be 0% of the unvaccinated. The more relevant stat is you're likelihood to be hospitalised when vaccinated compared to unvaccinated. That's been posted a number of times in the thread.
 
I have an image on my phone from the government website that shows a graph of deaths in the UK versus vaccination rates...

However, I'm an idiot when it comes to technology, so does anyone know how I can upload it?
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
It's not 90%, that will depend on how much of a the population bis vaccinated. If 100% of the population was vaccinated, then it'd be 0% of the unvaccinated. The more relevant stat is you're likelihood to be hospitalised when vaccinated compared to unvaccinated. That's been posted a number of times in the thread.
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Likewise, when 100% of the population was unvaccinated, 100% of the deaths were unvaccinated. And these deaths still count in the official statistics when comparing vaccinated/unvaccinated now.
 
Halmeister said:
Likewise, when 100% of the population was unvaccinated, 100% of the deaths were unvaccinated. And these deaths still count in the official statistics when comparing vaccinated/unvaccinated now.
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Yep, exactly. The percentage would only be comparable if it was exactly 50% of every age group. There so many other factors that impact it too, likely how much restrictions are in place and the prevalent variant at the time.
 
I always bang on about it too, but it's such an egregious wrong to me and not enough is made of it... but dying from any cause within 28 days of a positive test going down as a covid death is fucking retarded. Likewise, if you're in hospital for something else and happen to catch the virus, you go down as a covid hospitalisation. Surely there's a better way of calculating these figures. As it stands, everything is geared towards portraying worst case scenario
 
Halmeister said:
I always bang on about it too, but it's such an egregious wrong to me and not enough is made of it... but dying from any cause within 28 days of a positive test going down as a covid death is fucking retarded. Likewise, if you're in hospital for something else and happen to catch the virus, you go down as a covid hospitalisation. Surely there's a better way of calculating these figures. As it stands, everything is geared towards portraying worst case scenario
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And everyone with two jabs is probably considered unvaccinated now too
 
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