What do you think you’re talking about this time?
Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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What do you think you’re talking about this time?
I don't get your logic Ross.
Are you saying in the middle of a pandemic, which caught all countries unprepared (except China, who've had minimal deaths and have amazingly destroyed the virus!), that the govts should have stuck to their original ideas on how to handle this without changing anything?
Are you saying that you expected governments etc to get everything right from the off?
Or is your (valid) frustration with the lack of transparency driving some of these posts?
Yes - govts have flip flopped ... because everything they've tried to stop this shit has failed after x months.
Now, if you think they're all evil - or guided by some other mantra (or perhaps they're trying to do what Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge tried in Cambodia?) - then I understand.
If you think they've been duped by big pharma, who are very much motivated by money, I think that's valid to a degree too.
But yes, many govt officials (all?) have changed positions on this virus in the last 2 years because no country has really eradicated it fully from causing issues (bar China obviously).
Are you saying in the middle of a pandemic, which caught all countries unprepared (except China, who've had minimal deaths and have amazingly destroyed the virus!), that the govts should have stuck to their original ideas on how to handle this without changing anything?
Are you saying that you expected governments etc to get everything right from the off?
Or is your (valid) frustration with the lack of transparency driving some of these posts?
Yes - govts have flip flopped ... because everything they've tried to stop this shit has failed after x months.
Now, if you think they're all evil - or guided by some other mantra (or perhaps they're trying to do what Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge tried in Cambodia?) - then I understand.
If you think they've been duped by big pharma, who are very much motivated by money, I think that's valid to a degree too.
But yes, many govt officials (all?) have changed positions on this virus in the last 2 years because no country has really eradicated it fully from causing issues (bar China obviously).
Genuine questions... isn't there some discrepancy in how deaths, hospitalizations and side effects amongst the vaccinated are tallied and followed up on? Swear I saw that somewhere. And what about case rate amongst vaccinated vs unvaccinated areas?
Death rates are what we should be using definitely going forward, but they seem to pick and choose between highlighting cases/deaths depending on the agenda.
Vaccines definitely appear to slow the death rate. But there's huge question marks over the case rate from what I can tell.
After giving it some thought, it's probably better for us all if we're wiped out quickly with a deadly virus than suffering slowly through climate change.
Obviously an asteroid strike would be the best way but I don't think that'll happen any time soon.
Obviously an asteroid strike would be the best way but I don't think that'll happen any time soon.
I asked a while ago... you know the way we're always told to limit the use of antibiotics in case everything becomes immune to it, won't we just end up with vaccine-resistant variants that could potentially be more deadly? Does it work the same way? I think I was told that wouldn't happen.
I think you are asking the wrong person there mate...
It's actually clear in the case rates too. You're way less likely to get it if you're fully vaccinated. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8V8KEQn/
I don't know about the classifications changing, other than what being vaccinated means, as in, they don't count it until you're fully vaccinated after 14 days, and that it doesn't look effective after 6 months and without a booster.
The other thing I saw mentioned was that it's as easily transmitted by vaccinated and unvaccinated, which is a misunderstanding based on only looking at peak viral load. At its worst it is the same, but the viral load goes away a lot quicker, meaning you don't transmit it as much.
No, you're just straight up wrong because you've not analysed the data correctly.
"Vaccine makes you less likely to get it, but if you do get it you're just as likely to transmit it" is not a sensible conclusion is it. You've gone wrong somewhere, and you don't know where. Such is life.
But then, how do you explain places like Gibraltar, Israel, Mayo (I think) etc, with extremely high vaccination rates with cases higher than ever before?
I had also heard that about viral load, but hadn't heard that it goes away much quicker, which is interesting. Again, just asking questions, because there are some things that don't stack up about the whole pandemic.
Really. That is exactly what I said in this thread would occur, several months ago. It's only news to you now because the fact check wasn't available and neither was your brain.
https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510/ but of course that was 2018 so take it with a grain of salt. As you say we're fully woke now, and obviously looking back we can see that their research was total racist conspiracy theorising bullshit. Thank god we got woke and have our new and improved diverse perspective upon mass vaccination, lest we fall for this sort of racist nonsense such as the following white supremacist infographic attempts to peddle.
Never seen such disgusting racist propaganda before in my life.
I think Waterford, not Mayo. But, Israel is the one of those with a fairly sizable population, and it's rates are really good, are they not?
You're right, Waterford.
The cases shot up in Israel, didn't they? Obviously deaths were low, but as I said, the media picks and chooses when it wants to highlight deaths or cases.
I think 10s of thousands in those other places is not to be sniffed at either, though.
Yeah, they spiked, then they went down, looks close to zero now. I'm not sure what drove it in Israel, I do know that case spikes in Ireland are mostly driven by unvaccinated, I assume it was the same in Israel.
But 100% of Gibraltar is vaccinated. Waterford was high 90s vaccinated. It wasn't only the unvaccinated catching it, and it wasn't only them spreading it. Israel had cases higher than ever before, while having their highest level of vaccinations. I don't think it's fair to pin it all on the unvaccinated.
Waterford was something like 75% of the population vaccinated, it was high 90s of adults only. The vaccine isn't 100% effective (the efficacy rates were wildly talked about before anyone had one) and definitely wanes over time. If you take into account people are acting totally differently now to a year ago, there would be about 10 times the amount of cases if no one was vaccinated.
It's not that the vaccine isn't working, and it's also not invincible, anyone claiming either is wrong. If you look, in general, it's really clear how effective it is. I'm sure there'll always be edge cases, same with anything.
A number of scientists warned of that exact issue last year. They were ignored naturally.
Untrue.
Can anyone find a media article which has repeated that the new variant was found in vaccinated people ?
I wonder why ?
Which part?
The case spikes in Ireland are driven by the unvaccinated.
That's really clear that it is, I think you even posted the numbers. I can't remember what they were exactly, but about half the cases are from the 90% vaccinated and the other half are from the 10% not vaccinated. So, if there was no one vaccinated, there'd be 10 times the cases.
I think you need to show the evidence that this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated - that the case numbers are high because of the unvaccinated as you claimed. I haven't seen any statistics that support that.
Or else shut up repeating media narratives. Take your pick.
I literally just showed it in that tiktok above. This one here: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8V8KEQn/
Cases in the US are way higher in unvaccinated, and the same is the case globally.
I'm not sure if you're intentionally ignoring it, not understanding it, or just playing some weird game. But, either way, I can see you are unconvinceable.
You claimed to know about Ireland
It's the same. I've put stats in before, by age cohorts and vaccination status. But you don't read them, and just post individual cases(humans and giraffes) that may or may not be anything to do with Covid or vaccines. It's pointless.