Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

[dantes]

Not really, you could make the same point for anything, including the original study. If you don't trust anyone, ever, regardless of what they've said or done, there's little point to anything.

No, there is no issue with accepting people's words or their works at face value. The opinion or the conclusion they put across is the thing you should never take on trust, you should use your own brain to form your own view. Adopting the view of a fact-checker or your favorite source, or of cnn, is what there is no point to, because cnn already exists, there is no point you just copy pasting their views mindlessly.

 

[Rosco]

I can certainly believe that Facebook isn't about the truth, although I'm not sure I'd be quoting Russell Brand on it. Haven't watched that video, but I'd say his overall point that Facebook's content moderation is fairly biased, is true.

I thought Reuters were pretty universally respected as being balanced, their business model is based on providing facts to news media, for them to make money off, so they're not really about click bait etc, that's left to other media to put their own bias on it. They make money from being as accurate, and unbiased as possible. Doesn't mean they're never wrong of course.

I would like to read where they said that it definitely wasn't lab created. All I've found is them saying, about a year ago, that there wasn't any evidence to back it up at the time of publishing.

Facebook funds the Reuters fact checking unit and when soemthing has been fact checked on Facebook it was done by Reuters.

So your impression of Reuters is a bit off the mark.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-partnership-reuters-idUSKBN2062K4

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

Facebook funds the Reuters fact checking

Yes, as does pretty much every media agency, as I said, that's Reuters business model, providing unbiased journalism for others to use.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

I'm guessing the conversation was something like this.

Facebook: We see a lot of people saying it was lab created, we don't like that. Reuters, you're reputable, can check it out for us, here's some cash for your efforts.

Reuters: Sure. We looked into it, we don't see any evidence proving that has happened.

Facebook: Great. I'll get out the ban stick.

 

[Halmeister]

I'm guessing the conversation was something like this.

Facebook: We see a lot of people saying it was lab created, we don't like that. Reuters, you're reputable, can check it out for us, here's some cash for your efforts.

Reuters: Sure. We looked into it, we don't see any evidence proving that has happened.

Facebook: Great. I'll get out the ban stick.

I.doubt that. There's a lot of evidence stacking up that it looks increasingly likely that it came from a lab leak. And you don't even have to look too hard.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

I.doubt that. There's a lot of evidence stacking up that it looks increasingly likely that it came from a lab leak. And you don't even have to look too hard.

Yeah, but a year ago, which was when this was being talked about, and Reuters did the fact check, there wasn't that evidence.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

This from Feb, no current evidence to back it up:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pharmaceuticals-philanthrop-idUSKBN29Z0TM

Then they said this in May, that it's a possibility that should not be ruled out: https://www.reuters.com/business/he...ed-further-leading-scientists-say-2021-05-14/

I think, at the minute, it could be either a lab leak or more natural, and I'm not sure we'll ever know for sure.

 

[Halmeister]

Yeah, but a year ago, which was when this was being talked about, and Reuters did the fact check, there wasn't that evidence.

Yeah maybe. Though I think you're placing too much faith in Facebook and whoever else. The reason there wasn't the evidence is largely in put to the botched up, phony inquests where officials from Wuhan were put in charge of basically investigating themselves, as well as other channels being blocked. There was smoke from the off. Though much of it is only being brought to light now

 

[Halmeister]

This from Feb, no current evidence to back it up:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pharmaceuticals-philanthrop-idUSKBN29Z0TM

Then they said this in May, that it's a possibility that should not be ruled out: https://www.reuters.com/business/he...ed-further-leading-scientists-say-2021-05-14/

I think, at the minute, it could be either a lab leak or more natural, and I'm not sure we'll ever know for sure.

Just the whole actively shutting down discussion doesn't sit right with me. I understand it's a unique, sensitive circumstance, but why do that if there's nothing to hide

 

[dantes]

Just the whole actively shutting down discussion doesn't sit right with me. I understand it's a unique, sensitive circumstance, but why do that if there's nothing to hide

It isn't working if their intention is to hide anything. The intention might be to erode people's intelligence. Discussing or arguing with people about something scientific of even philosophical is a good way to learn things and become more intelligent. Critical thinking, mathematical reasoning, logic, whatever the word is, it's gone. It's history. When you censor and cancel and shut down discussions, the people stop learning, then eventually you have a population of automatons primed to accept socialism and dystopia based on nothing but how it feels on their insides.

 

[Rosco]

I'm guessing the conversation was something like this.

Facebook: We see a lot of people saying it was lab created, we don't like that. Reuters, you're reputable, can check it out for us, here's some cash for your efforts.

Reuters: Sure. We looked into it, we don't see any evidence proving that has happened.

Facebook: Great. I'll get out the ban stick.

But you've admitted the Facebook fact check (done by Reuters) looks very biased already.

I agree.

And that's because of the links between Pfizer and Reuters.

 

[Rosco]

Yeah, but a year ago, which was when this was being talked about, and Reuters did the fact check, there wasn't that evidence.

Bollox.

Reuters could have easily reported that the same people who funded the lab were the ones covering up the lab leak theory.

They didn't

 

[Halmeister]

It isn't working if their intention is to hide anything. The intention might be to erode people's intelligence. Discussing or arguing with people about something scientific of even philosophical is a good way to learn things and become more intelligent. Critical thinking, mathematical reasoning, logic, whatever the word is, it's gone. It's history. When you censor and cancel and shut down discussions, the people stop learning, then eventually you have a population of automatons primed to accept socialism and dystopia based on nothing but how it feels on their insides.

I actually agreed with all of that until you started going on about socialism and feelings. Not that I particularly disagree with that either, it was just a bit of an eye roll moment.

 

[dantes]

It was the most important part.

 

[Woland]

You're thirty times less likely to die if you're double jabbed and you guys have been jabbed too. What are you arguing with?

 

[keniget]

How much time and energy do y'all dedicate to tracking down and collating news from various sources, reading medical journals and the rest of it?

 

[Hansern]

Dont think dumb and dumber, Ross and Dantes, will answer anytime soon. As they are probably in Dallas.

You can't always get what you want! Hundreds of disappointed QAnon followers give up waiting for JFK Jr to 'reappear on grassy knoll to announce 2020 VP run with Trump' and head to nearby Rolling Stones concert instead!

• Hundreds of conspiracy theorists gathered at the site of JFK assassination
• They believed the president's late son JFK Jr. - who died in 1999 - would appear
• Q believers think that JFK Jr. will help Donald Trump to take back power
• Asked when their messiah was going to arrive, many said 12.29pm
• But JFK Jr. never showed - yet many still remained, despite heavy rain
• Then a troop of Qs headed to the Stones concert, believing he would show there
• There was a Stones concert at the Cotton Bowl - but no sign of JFK Jr.
• Sizeable turnout in Dallas serves to underline the allure the Q theory still holds

QAnon supporters changed their minds when JFK Jr. failed to appear on the mound where his father was killed, claiming he would come back from the dead at a Rolling Stones concert in Dallas later that day.
Hundreds of conspiracy theorists gathered on the infamous grassy knoll on Tuesday believing that JFK Jr. - who died in a plane crash in 1999 - was going to come back to life and run as Donald Trump's vice presidential candidate in 2024.

But when he failed to appear at the ordained time - 12.29pm, the time that his father was shot dead - a troop of them dashed off to the Stones concert at the Cotton Bowl instead.
JFK Jr., who was an actor and magazine publisher, is a popular figure within the QAnon conspiracy movement, with some believing that he is in fact Q, the group's anonymous leader.
Asked when their messiah was going to arrive, the Q believers told reporters that JFK Jr. was going to appear at 12.29pm. When that time rolled around the people started reciting the pledge of allegiance but there was no sign of the former president's son.
They stuck around, clinging to the hope that their wildest dreams would come true and the Qs remained at the hallowed site even as a torrential downpour drenched their signs and banners which said: 'Trump / JFK JR 2020.'
Some envisioned that he would arrive triumphantly. 'We're expecting a parade,' said a woman named Ginny who had travelled 700 miles from Nebraska.
'JFK is going to be here,' she told Rolling Stone magazine.
Ginny described how many dead celebrities, such as the comedian Richard Pryor, are actually still alive and are part of a secret plan which would be revealed at the Rolling Stones concert at the Cotton Bowl Stadium in Dallas that night.
'Robin Williams was here the other day … Michael Jackson is high in the movement,' she told the magazine.
The Rolling Stones were indeed in fine voice at the Cotton Bowl that night, with Mick Jagger gyrating on stage in front of legions of fans. But there was no sign of JFK Jr.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

How much time and energy do y'all dedicate to tracking down and collating news from various sources, reading medical journals and the rest of it?

Way more than I'd like to.

 

[Rosco]

You're thirty times less likely to die if you're double jabbed and you guys have been jabbed too. What are you arguing with?

My factchecker says this claim is false.

 

[Rosco]

Dont think dumb and dumber, Ross and Dantes, will answer anytime soon. As they are probably in Dallas.

You can't always get what you want! Hundreds of disappointed QAnon followers give up waiting for JFK Jr to 'reappear on grassy knoll to announce 2020 VP run with Trump' and head to nearby Rolling Stones concert instead!

• Hundreds of conspiracy theorists gathered at the site of JFK assassination
• They believed the president's late son JFK Jr. - who died in 1999 - would appear
• Q believers think that JFK Jr. will help Donald Trump to take back power
• Asked when their messiah was going to arrive, many said 12.29pm
• But JFK Jr. never showed - yet many still remained, despite heavy rain
• Then a troop of Qs headed to the Stones concert, believing he would show there
• There was a Stones concert at the Cotton Bowl - but no sign of JFK Jr.
• Sizeable turnout in Dallas serves to underline the allure the Q theory still holds

QAnon supporters changed their minds when JFK Jr. failed to appear on the mound where his father was killed, claiming he would come back from the dead at a Rolling Stones concert in Dallas later that day.
Hundreds of conspiracy theorists gathered on the infamous grassy knoll on Tuesday believing that JFK Jr. - who died in a plane crash in 1999 - was going to come back to life and run as Donald Trump's vice presidential candidate in 2024.

But when he failed to appear at the ordained time - 12.29pm, the time that his father was shot dead - a troop of them dashed off to the Stones concert at the Cotton Bowl instead.
JFK Jr., who was an actor and magazine publisher, is a popular figure within the QAnon conspiracy movement, with some believing that he is in fact Q, the group's anonymous leader.
Asked when their messiah was going to arrive, the Q believers told reporters that JFK Jr. was going to appear at 12.29pm. When that time rolled around the people started reciting the pledge of allegiance but there was no sign of the former president's son.
They stuck around, clinging to the hope that their wildest dreams would come true and the Qs remained at the hallowed site even as a torrential downpour drenched their signs and banners which said: 'Trump / JFK JR 2020.'
Some envisioned that he would arrive triumphantly. 'We're expecting a parade,' said a woman named Ginny who had travelled 700 miles from Nebraska.
'JFK is going to be here,' she told Rolling Stone magazine.
Ginny described how many dead celebrities, such as the comedian Richard Pryor, are actually still alive and are part of a secret plan which would be revealed at the Rolling Stones concert at the Cotton Bowl Stadium in Dallas that night.
'Robin Williams was here the other day … Michael Jackson is high in the movement,' she told the magazine.
The Rolling Stones were indeed in fine voice at the Cotton Bowl that night, with Mick Jagger gyrating on stage in front of legions of fans. But there was no sign of JFK Jr.

Life must be so simple for you

 

[dantes]

QAnon: JFK lives!!
Dantes: lol what's wrong with your brain?

LGBetc: gender is a social construct, this man is a biological woman
Hansern: stunning and brave, BLM, take the knee, zee zthem zey!
Dantes: fucks happened to your brain you retarded idiot?

 

[Hansern]

Bellevue Mental hospital: he’s escaped again.

 

[dantes]

Bellevue Mental hospital: he’s escaped again.

Hah fact is that your weak mind has been fooled into believing an embarrassing amount of retarded things. Because you're stupid. So you have to cope by imagining that stupid is actually a good thing by comparing your brain with QAnon.

 

[StevieM]

How much time and energy do y'all dedicate to tracking down and collating news from various sources, reading medical journals and the rest of it?

My missus is a serving paramedic with various degrees in different relevant fields.

I generally trust her opinion, the information she’s given to carry out her job and the things she’s seen and experienced.

I generally take anything I read on the internet with a pinch of salt.

I take anything I read on here with a very large bag of salt.

I take anything posted by a certain couple of posters on here.... well... it keeps them happy... maybe they feel relevant... I dunno... like a care in the online community project, maybe.

 

[StevieM]

Hah fact is that your weak mind has been fooled into believing an embarrassing amount of retarded things. Because you're stupid. So you have to cope by imagining that stupid is actually a good thing by comparing your brain with QAnon.

Don’t make me cough up a lung laughing at the irony of the things you type...

I need my lungs...

 

[dantes]

Don’t make me cough up a lung laughing at the irony of the things you type...

I need my lungs...

Funny how nothing comes immediately to your own weak mind there isn't it.

 

[Rosco]

I can't wait until the complicity theorists start telling us it's perfectly normal for kids to have strokes and heart attacks , now that it appears the world wants to jab them unnecessarily too

 

[StevieM]

I can't wait until the complicity theorists start telling us it's perfectly normal for kids to have strokes and heart attacks , now that it appears the world wants to jab them unnecessarily too

Get it right Ross.

You can’t wait until you tell us what the complicity theorists are apparently telling us via the media articles that only you read, even though the “complicity theorists” aren’t telling anyone the things you “think” they are.

Meanwhile....

 

[StevieM]

Funny how nothing comes immediately to your own weak mind there isn't it.

apart from the saving of my lungs

 

[dantes]

apart from the saving of my lungs

Let me help you. Earlier in the year you were adamant the us border crossings were just a transient continuation of an earlier trend. I showed you the graphs, tried to explain the mechanisms and correct your view. You did your usual denial, dismissal, insulted me for being a trump fan etc etc. Now here we are. You turned out to be totally wrong. In all honesty, the maths wasn't even hard for that, it was very simple, primary school level thinking required, so it's utterly embarrassing that you got it wrong. It's not a shock that I got it right. Have you learned anything? Nope, apart from how to invent jokes. So you see why I just call you stupid and save the time of trying to explain things to you.