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‘Link between AstraZeneca jab and blood clots’ – EMA vaccine chief
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Brendan Kelly Palenque
April 06 2021 01:53 PM
There is a link between the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine and blood clots according to a senior official in the European Medicines Agency (EMA).
EMA’s head of vaccines Marco Cavaleri told Italian newspaper Il Messaggero:
“In my opinion, we can say it now, it is clear there is a link with the vaccine. But we still do not know what causes this reaction,” he said.
“In the next few hours, we will say that there is a connection, but we still have to understand how this happens.”
‘Link between AstraZeneca jab and blood clots’ – EMA vaccine chief
Brendan Kelly Palenque
April 06 2021 01:53 PM
There is a link between the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine and blood clots according to a senior official in the European Medicines Agency (EMA).
EMA’s head of vaccines Marco Cavaleri told Italian newspaper Il Messaggero:
“In my opinion, we can say it now, it is clear there is a link with the vaccine. But we still do not know what causes this reaction,” he said.
“In the next few hours, we will say that there is a connection, but we still have to understand how this happens.”
I got a massive load for sure
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Oxford/AstraZeneca jab could have causal link to rare blood clots, say UK experts
Prof Saad Shakir, the director of the drug safety research unit (DSRU) at Southampton University, said on Tuesday that the evidence accumulated in Europe and the UK of links between the vaccine and the rare blood clots “is consistent with causality”. While the dangers of coronavirus were so great that vaccination must not stop, he said, measures should be put in place to reduce any extra risk to women under the age of 55, who seemed to be most affected. The DRSU has shared its analysis with the regulators. The DSRU at Southampton University looked at cases of thrombosis (blood clotting inside the arteries) linked to thrombocytopenia (a reduction in blood platelets that usually causes bleeding but in rare cases results in clotting) and concluded that they were linked to the AstraZeneca vaccine.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ausal-link-to-rare-blood-clots-say-uk-experts
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Another day another dantes was right after all shocker.
Medication in side effect shocker.
Another day Dantes jumps on anything from the media that he thinks validates him (even though it doesn't at all), witness the whole Trump failed election farce where Dantes was consistently destroyed.
Obviously Dantes is jumping on this type of lead (even though other EMA offices in Germany & France have stated they don't have actual evidence, the link to that is even in Dantes' own link haha !) : The EMA (Italy, and the UK link above) has repeatedly said the benefits of the AstraZeneca shot outweigh the risks as it investigates 44 reports of an extremely rare brain clotting ailment known as cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) out of 9.2 million people in the European Economic Area who have received the vaccine.
Read the small print not the sensationalist media hype : supposition but actually zero substantiated data (since causality cannot be proven) and also statistically it still falls within the parameters of the normal rate of embolisms (so again for clarity - 44 cases - not deaths - from 9.2 million inoculations within the EU, this is far below that of say serious side effects from the Flu vaccine BTW). Come back when you have real data.
EMA Statement
Europe’s drug regulator has denied it has already established a causal connection between the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine and a rare blood clotting syndrome, after a senior official from the agency (in Itlay) said there was a link.
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As if you could ever lecture me about how to analyse data. Your understanding of probability distributions is nowhere near to being good enough for that. Speaking of the election, when that lawyer came up with the one in a quadrillion statistical chance of the election being fair, you had no problem dismissing that, and you had no problem listening to me explain why the expert witness was a moron. There was I thinking you'd learn something useful about probability distributions. Really, you just wanted some confirmation bias.
Listen carefully. The reason that witness was an idiot, is exactly the same reason people that say the embolisms are within normal parameters are idiots. It's the exact same stupid misapplication of an incorrect probability distribution in both cases. You agreed with it for the lawyer. You don't agree with it here because you're not interested in mathematics, only want that sweet confirmation bias from the fake news. Good luck with being stupid.
If you inject someone, and the get a blood clot thirty seconds later, would you have any doubt at all that it was caused by the injection? What if ten people get a blood clot, the doubt would go from slim to none. Now what if just one person gets a clot one day later. Perhaps some doubt. What if ten people get clots a day later? Less doubt.
You have no ability to quantify those doubts into a probability, because it's not your field. Nor do the clinicians. The distribution they are applying to the data does not model the changes in probability of any of the above scenarios. But you know they exist, because your brain recognises that just from the words. So the model they are using is wrong. Then you're taking that wrong model, and lecturing me about it's conclusions. It's amazing. And you'll never learn.
You have no ability to quantify those doubts into a probability, because it's not your field. Nor do the clinicians. The distribution they are applying to the data does not model the changes in probability of any of the above scenarios. But you know they exist, because your brain recognises that just from the words. So the model they are using is wrong. Then you're taking that wrong model, and lecturing me about it's conclusions. It's amazing. And you'll never learn.
Dantes butthurt on being an election imbecile yet again - love to see it.
44 in 9.2 million. Take that in and apply statistical norms you moron.
Statistical norm? That's not even a thing. And now you're pretending that we're arguing about the death rate, either because you have no idea what I wrote or you just genuinely think I can't do basic arithmetic and you need to educate me on that? Amazing.
The problem is not the death rate, it is that the vaccine caused blood clots. Normal people who weren't blathering on about "trust the science!!" "conspiracy theory!!" like a brainless robot could all see this for themselves because their brains intuitively understand conditional probability. The scientists using bad statistical models to deny "nothing to see here!!!" was pure stupidity, because now they have been forced to admit "oh new data emerged and now there is some risk". New data my fucking balls. They have lost credibility with normal people and given ammo to the abnormal people against all science. So that will now lead to more people refusing the vaccine, and more people dying. And I can't blame them. This is what happens when you don't do the maths properly and think your job as a scientist is to virtue signal pure bullshit as in your post above.
The problem is not the death rate, it is that the vaccine caused blood clots. Normal people who weren't blathering on about "trust the science!!" "conspiracy theory!!" like a brainless robot could all see this for themselves because their brains intuitively understand conditional probability. The scientists using bad statistical models to deny "nothing to see here!!!" was pure stupidity, because now they have been forced to admit "oh new data emerged and now there is some risk". New data my fucking balls. They have lost credibility with normal people and given ammo to the abnormal people against all science. So that will now lead to more people refusing the vaccine, and more people dying. And I can't blame them. This is what happens when you don't do the maths properly and think your job as a scientist is to virtue signal pure bullshit as in your post above.
" ...and given ammo to the abnormal people against all science." As you are clearly proving.
I'll get one once they've been properly tested. Or after the guinea pigs have died and they've removed the ones most likely to cause serious side effects
79 in 20.2m in the UK
Or 1 in 250k
Or 0.000004%
To put into context:
Those who are admitted into ICU with COVID, over 30% develop blood clots.
19 died
Or 0.000001%
Somehow I think I'll take my chances and get that vaccine.
Sure, whatever narrative supports your feels.
If the question is AZ vaccine or no vaccine, then obviously take the AZ. But there's other ones that don't seem to have as bad side affects for younger people.
I'd take the AZ vaccine and back myself to sue them over any complications. I'd fake an embolism and leave as quickly as possible if they say "good news dantes, we have the Moderna vaccine for you!". Better off waiting for covaxin or even the chinese one to come onto the market.
The statistical difference is so minute it's really not worth the debate though. Just take whatever is available and quickest. For me that means Sinovac it seems !
So you're 4 times more likely to die from a blood clot from the AZ vaccine than a Covid blood clot ?
That isn’t what that data’s saying.
It's what Nomad is saying
No it isn’t.
Oh yes it is
What’s the death rate for those who get a blood clot from COVID?
It's in the information