Are you expecting vaccines to be made against strains of a virus that we don't know about yet. Fucking hell mate - get a grip.
Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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Are you expecting vaccines to be made against strains of a virus that we don't know about yet. Fucking hell mate - get a grip.
I mean it's not like they had a year to cover it up or anything.
Well you can choose to follow the conspiracy theorists' rantings or you can choose to believe that the WHO team (let's be clear, specialists in their field hired by WHO, not WHO residents, know what they are doing whereas the average man in the street has zero knowledge of virology except what they've read. Or people can just sit on the fence and remain open to all possibilities.
What is interesting is they have shifted their investigations to SE Asia (was this planned or driven by results)?
One thing to be aware of though is the insidious Western press and their own form of media brainwashing, as compared to the blatant Chinese media bias - which I almost never watch/read.
As with most things the truth probably lies somewhere between the extremes but it's wrong to dismiss this out of hand simply because a) it isn't the result the West wanted and b) it's the WHO.
Another finding that's clearly going to upset some people :
Wuhan’s seafood market (from The Guardian)
The Huanan Seafood Market had a cluster of cases at the start of the outbreak and was initially suspected as the place where people first became infected. The discovery of earlier cases has all but ruled out that theory, but researchers still want to know how this early cluster happened.
Wuhan’s seafood market (from The Guardian)
The Huanan Seafood Market had a cluster of cases at the start of the outbreak and was initially suspected as the place where people first became infected. The discovery of earlier cases has all but ruled out that theory, but researchers still want to know how this early cluster happened.
Froggy, I try very hard indeed not to over-interpret what we do know about all this (not least because I have a much loved Chinese-American goddaughter whose birth family and the great majority of her relatives still live there). I find it hard to believe, though, that it's just terrible bad luck that the virus happened to strike first in the city which appears to house China's equivalent of Porton Down.
And then you have China's theory.. that it was imported on frozen Australian beef.
There is no way the WHO or anyone else will find the answers in Wuhan. Like I said, if it was from the lab, they've had a year to cover it up. And if the press in the west is to be believed, there are multiple employees still missing. But hey. Let's dismiss it because one report a year later says so.
There is no way the WHO or anyone else will find the answers in Wuhan. Like I said, if it was from the lab, they've had a year to cover it up. And if the press in the west is to be believed, there are multiple employees still missing. But hey. Let's dismiss it because one report a year later says so.
And like I said - do you think the Who didn't know that and you know better than they do what can and can't be uncovered? There must surely be reasons that they can dismiss the likelihood regardless of the passage of time otherwise why even bother?
Multiple employees missing ? Haha where did you drag that up from (or invent) - links please. This is Wuhan not Xinjiang. People would cry blue murder and it'd be all over Chinese social media (before being shut down). Yes one doctor was arrested by the local Govt. in their attempts to quieten the 'rumours' down, and he later died of Covid in the Wuhan hospital (all well documented). Three 'citizen journalists' were also arrested (and later released). Because that's how a communist Govt works and because the hierarchy of governance is a mess.
Now if you'd said officials being punished for their attempted dismissal / cover up of the initial reports, that is more than credible, because they have indeed been punished (Feb. 2020: 337 officials in Hubei were “penalised”, including six officials who were fired for “dereliction of duty”). They attempted to cover it up for 6 days (as documented by the NY Times amongst others), on the 7th it was announced (not that those 6 days would have made an iota of difference to the West because they initially dismissed it and took zero preventative action anyway). Notice how Singapore, Taiwan, HK, NZ and Australia immediately implemented restrictions that prevented mass infections, despite admittedly each having advantages over Europe/USA.
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The virus has now been well documented to have been widespread (though inactive) much earlier than initially believed, everywhere from Italy (found in sewer samples going back to Feb. 2019) to the USA (months before CV-19 became viable in humans), Southern China and elsewhere in SE Asia.
Trying to ascertain how it made the jump from animals to humans will likely never be resolved. What is now certain is that it did not originate in the Wuhan Wet Market but that that was a critical outbreak in terms of numbers infected and global distribution (due to the transportation links of a city of 10m with an international airport). As has been widely established and reported, the virus would have needed the right conditions and it seems Wuhan provided them in terms of close human interaction, sanitation (health & safety procedures - more specifically lack of application, because they exist) and distribution.
I get why people in the West want to believe some of the wilder conspiracy theories, the human need to have someone to blame, racism, and for a majority a total lack of knowledge of both life in China and Chinese people in general makes this an easy step to take.
China is constantly portrayed as the enemy at the door (both in economic competition and via espionage both military and commercial) but what is now certain was a local Govt. inaction / cover-up (not the term I'd use but it's popular) is now being construed as the fault of the whole Chinese race. Considering the positive action regarding BAME this year it's extremely hypocritical of people, even within those very same BAME communities, never mind the Europe/USA general populace.
Notice how in media reporting it's rarely 'the local Wuhan Govt.' or 'Chinese Govt.' but mostly 'China' or the 'Chinese'.
What I actually find interesting is the incredible lack of understanding between people from the East/West on virtually everything concerning the other's actions/countries/politics. I'm constantly trying to defend/explain actions in the West/UK to Chinese friends and vice versa to Western friends/family where both sets have a completely biased, and inaccurate, perception of the other. Neither believe they have been brainwashed by their Govt's / Media yet that often seems to be the case.
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I don’t know why you are specially surprised a person from BAME can be any less prejudice than any other in some aspects.
What positive action on BAME are you referring to this year? Not a huge amount has specifically changed this year apart from publicity and social conscious anyway.
There are plenty whom are on the right of tory spectrum, voted for Brexit based on immigration. It’s based on self preservation and shut the door on the way in mentality at times.
Also, some whom are from countries such as some of the Nepalese community that we have around us would prefer US as the dominant power rather than China based on their personal political preferences so it’s understanding why rather than accept anyone who isn’t white should be pro China. It’s more nuanced than that.
Kent Variant mooted to be the dominant strain world wide..
African Variant could very well be.. like any virus it depends on how it mutates...
'The Kent variant of the coronavirus with a key mutation that enables the South African variant to escape some of the vaccines used against it must be taken very seriously in the UK, according to a leading microbiologist'
What are/were you looking for here?
Should Big Pharma have prophesised these mutations ahead of developing their 'cures' ?
It's absolutely moot arguing against the use of a drug that almost certainly would have saved '100k+' lives had we access to it a year ago. Yes Future strains could mutate but this just what plenty in the scene have suggested, we could be in a flu booster like system regarding Covid for anywhere between short to long term.
Sorry I was referring to 2020.
I guess I assumed (maybe wrongly) that people from BAME communities in the West would be more 'woke' considering the racism they themselves must have experienced. I wasn't suggesting they would/should be pro-China just that they would be less likely to be racist against other nationalities (other than Whites). Maybe I'm being naive.
Well Nepal (which I've been to 4 times, hiring guides and porters each time) are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Politically, and for trade, they were aligned with India but India blockaded important trade essentials during a land dispute so now Nepal are aligning themselves for trade and investment with China (not going down well with India).
So it's understandable that expat Nepalese would favour the USA, not that the USA will do anything with Nepal with regards to trade (far too small to be of value) or politics (geographically unimportant to them).
Do you know the development required that goes into booster vaccines.. ?
There will be many more fatalities before an effective booster Jab becomes available. The booster Jab will in most instances have to be effective for more than one virus strain.. If the South African variant mutates, (which undoubtedly it will do), to a more transmissible strain you have a very big problem as far as the Astrazenenca vaccine is concerned in its current form
The biggest concern is a rush job is done without thorough testing that is generally required when developing or re engineering vaccine for new strains... This has already been the case with the AstraZeneca vaccine where their is gaps in its testing as regards to its effectiveness with people over 55+
Essentially we are going to have to be Human 'Guinea Pigs' for the next 12 to 18 months..
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Some where across the World their are roosters having the times of their lives with Hens to create the Fertilized eggs required for initial development Testing for Vaccines..
EDIT: Yes I Know..
Traditional methods like using eggs won't work with developing vaccines for Coronvirus.. I was trying to make a joke..
EDIT: Yes I Know..
Traditional methods like using eggs won't work with developing vaccines for Coronvirus.. I was trying to make a joke..
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Do YOU know the development that goes into developing booster vaccines? I highly doubt so.
You're arguing about this in a really, really,really strange manner: " I fucking hate AZ and their shitty vaccine, I don't care that it could save thousands of lives and help boost the quality of life of millions in the UK alone, its dumb and they should absolutely have not produced a vaccine so quickly withouth the foresight that the virus will mutate and their vaccine might not cover"
Like what?
You're one of the those that screams at inaction and then asks for exactly that from big pharma?
lol
I gather India has been proactively “gifting” vaccines to neighbors such as Nepal, Srilanka and Pakistan whom China has been “investing” heavily over the last 10 yrs so that will have on China influence I gather. Historical allegiances aren’t easily forgotten and gather China isn’t happy about that including force through their vaccine approvals in these countries.
Yes flu vaccines to a degree.. I worked in the Labs both at Astrazenca and Seqirus.. Coronvirus development is very different from Flu vaccinations.. currently development methods used for Flu Vaccines do not work for developing Coronvirus Vaccines..
Flu Vaccines from the outset can take upto 4-5 years to develop they are then Topped up with new recipes every year to deal with new varients..
We have developed a vaccine in less than 12 months from Scratch.. It has to applauded, whilst at the same there has to be some concern.. There is no way.. and I speak on behalf of Experts I work with that thorough testing has been carried out with these vaccines.. even with accelerated resources to cope with development..
Its got nothing to do with Hating Astrazenca, I have worked for them.. damn fine company to work for..
It more to do with the realization of the situation.. Vaccine at the present moment in time in its current form is just a sticky plaster..
In its current form it will save lives to a degree, but not to levels people will have been led to think, far from it in fact, simply because of the way this virus mutates and lack of understanding regarding this virus..
A virus key mission in life will look to survive against all costs.. if a Vaccine is developed a Virus can mutate to become more immune to the Vaccine.. However it can be less transmissionable or in some instances become more transmissionable.. As we are seeing with the Kent Variant.. Vaccine is less effective.. but not to the levels we are hearing with the SA variant which is believed to be less transmissionable
The danger I guess is how that SA variant Mutates..
Flu Vaccines from the outset can take upto 4-5 years to develop they are then Topped up with new recipes every year to deal with new varients..
We have developed a vaccine in less than 12 months from Scratch.. It has to applauded, whilst at the same there has to be some concern.. There is no way.. and I speak on behalf of Experts I work with that thorough testing has been carried out with these vaccines.. even with accelerated resources to cope with development..
Its got nothing to do with Hating Astrazenca, I have worked for them.. damn fine company to work for..
It more to do with the realization of the situation.. Vaccine at the present moment in time in its current form is just a sticky plaster..
In its current form it will save lives to a degree, but not to levels people will have been led to think, far from it in fact, simply because of the way this virus mutates and lack of understanding regarding this virus..
A virus key mission in life will look to survive against all costs.. if a Vaccine is developed a Virus can mutate to become more immune to the Vaccine.. However it can be less transmissionable or in some instances become more transmissionable.. As we are seeing with the Kent Variant.. Vaccine is less effective.. but not to the levels we are hearing with the SA variant which is believed to be less transmissionable
The danger I guess is how that SA variant Mutates..
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He says as AZ have released a statement saying a new vaccine will be in mass production within 6-9 months which will be effective against the identified mutations.
You are correct in that we will be behind the 8 ball for a while, trying to keep up with the mutations. Which is why it was always important not to rely on just one vaccine.
That may be but Nepal are even more upset at India for trying to grab their land and threatening military action against them! Hard to forget that I imagine.
Haha yes. We have one every year for new flu variants. It isn't a brand new vaccine, just a tweak.
But come on, it’s not like China’s not going to grab that in the future 😉
Look at Colombo2 port building in Srilanka, and more historically Tibet, Taiwan.
Haha - well TBH Nepal doesn't have anything that China needs - except the route for their belt and even then it dead ends if India don't get in on it. And there is the issue of the massive Himalayas, including Everest, standing in their way along 95% of the border ! Whereas to the South (and India) it's very open.
Dont even go there.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...oronavirus-variants-come-from?t=1613057525389
This is a crazy read.
This is a crazy read.
Yup.
Sounds like it was programmed really well.
Or maybe God really wants a lot of people dead.
That was probably more just wishing and hoping it doesn't turn mental and mutates into a less deadly thing.
Is that what happened with the Spanish flu? it ended up just kinda dying out? doubt there was any kinda vaccine for that?
Mate you're being hysterical. Nobody knows how this virus will mutate - for better or for worse. People can hypothesise all they like but viruses mutate that's a fact and the science is there to combat it. Watched an interesting scientist the other night who was saying flu viruses can mutate shape a lot more than Corona virii and that's why it's hard to be rid of. Corona could be the same long term but I'm convinced the pandemic will end. Why? Because they all do. One way or another. Can't live in constant fear forever. It may fade away, it way weaken and it may wipe the human race our (unlikely) but continued panic and hysteria helps nobody nor does bullshit conspiracy theories either that some gobshites are churning out.