Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

[StevieM]

Here we go again!!!!

Melbourne in Stage 4 Lockdown from midnight tonight for 5 days because some fuck-knuckle off a plan in a quarantine hotel with the English Mutation used a nebuliser and infected a dozen people.

About 1,000 people self-isolating and we have less than 12 hours notice of lockdown.

Saves me some money taking the missus out for diner on Valentines Day, I suppose.

 

[peekay]

Kent Variant mooted to be the dominant strain world wide..

African Variant could very well be.. like any virus it depends on how it mutates...

'The Kent variant of the coronavirus with a key mutation that enables the South African variant to escape some of the vaccines used against it must be taken very seriously in the UK, according to a leading microbiologist'

Given the current news cycle, it is very easy to be pessimistic mate. But I believe we will be in a far better position by the end of the year. Yes, there are going to be variants that can escape vaccines but I am sure the current set of vaccines will give some level of protection. Also, every vaccine manufacturer is optimizing their manufacturing process and going to produce COVID vaccines on an industrial scale by the summer.

Serum Institute of India is going to produce 2.5 billion doses of the Oxford vaccine in 2021. Another company Biological E in India is going to produce 600 million doses of the J&J vaccine this year. They are also collaborating with Universities in the US and developing their own vaccine which if successful they will produce a billion of them this year. If their vaccine fails then they are going to produce more of J&J and other vaccines. There is another company, Hetero BioPharma, which is going to produce 300 million Sputnik vaccines. There are several other vaccine testing and manufacturing companies in India. I think combined you can expect at least 3 billion doses from India alone this year. I read that Pfizer has also streamlined their process and they are going to deliver 200 million doses two months ahead of time to the US.

Given the speed at which they have delivered the vaccine, I am confident they will find booster doses very fast which can deal with the variants. Now that they are building capacity, mass production and distribution are going to get easier and easier.

 

[Frogfish]

Astrazeneca is on course to launch a new vaccine that is effective against emerging Covid variants by the autumn, the company has said (me : this despite continued hysterical dire warnings and conspiracy theories from the loopier members of the nation).

The Anglo-Swedish firm said clinical trials for the “next generation” of Covid vaccine would commence in the spring, with mass production earmarked for six to nine months’ time.

Speaking as he unveiled Astrazeneca’s annual results, chief executive Pascal Soriot said there should be a drop in hospital admissions “very soon” as a consequence of the UK’s vaccine rollout.

The UK has ordered 100m doses of its Covid vaccine made in collaboration with Oxford University. The drug has proved instrumental in Britain’s largest ever immunisation programme, which has seen more than 13m people receive their first dose of the jab so far. The company said it will deliver 100m doses of its current vaccine around the world this month alone, doubling to 200m per month by April.“Is it perfect? No it’s not perfect, but it’s great. Who else is making 100m doses in February?” he added.

Soriot’s comments follow new data published over the weekend that showed the Astrazeneca jab was less effective against a fast-spreading South African variant of the virus. But the company was dealt a major boost yesterday as the World Health Organization recommended use of its vaccine in all age groups without limitations, adding that it would still prevent severe illness from the South African variant.
The two-dose shot has been hailed as a “vaccine for the world” because it is easier to store than some other jabs, while Astrazeneca has pledged not to make a profit on it during the pandemic.

Details of the timeline for Astrazeneca’s new Covid vaccine comes after the Prime Minister said yesterday that the most vulnerable members of the population will likely need booster jabs especially suited to Covid mutations “every year”.
“I think we need to be getting ready for a world in which we do have booster jabs against new variants in the autumn and maybe beyond. We should start to think about it as a flu jab — as something elderly and vulnerable people make sure they have every year,” he told a Downing Street press conference.

The Kent variant is now the most common form of the virus in the UK, after it was first detected in September. It has been cited as the reason for the introduction of new lockdown rules across the UK in January after causing a massive surge in coronavirus cases.

 

[6TimesaRed]

Mate you're being hysterical. Nobody knows how this virus will mutate - for better or for worse. People can hypothesise all they like but viruses mutate that's a fact and the science is there to combat it. Watched an interesting scientist the other night who was saying flu viruses can mutate shape a lot more than Corona virii and that's why it's hard to be rid of. Corona could be the same long term but I'm convinced the pandemic will end. Why? Because they all do. One way or another. Can't live in constant fear forever. It may fade away, it way weaken and it may wipe the human race our (unlikely) but continued panic and hysteria helps nobody nor does bullshit conspiracy theories either that some gobshites are churning out.

Far from it.. I'm being a realist

Yes all pandemic come to end.. eventually..

We have a few more years of this yet.. That is the reality.... Sadly....

Virus mutations are evolving in ways to elude the current arsenal of COVID-19 treatments.. They will evolve to counteract vaccinations.. Virus's mission in life will be to survive..

Vaccinations work primarily by generating a torrent of antibodies that looks to disable the spike protein in that varient

The Spanish flu lasted from February 1918 to April 1920, it infected 500 million people around about a third of the world's population at the time in four successive waves. We are currently on wave 2..

This is not flu virus though.. people need to remember that. Whilst flu vaccinations have set the benchmark for developing vaccinations worldwide. Development of Covid 19 vaccinations is a completely different egg..

However the more this virus mutates the more that will be learnt about it, to counteract it.. Though whilst it mutates and how those variants mutate is where the damage will undoubtedly be done..

 

[HC]

"I'm a realist"

Proceeds to compare steps to cure the Spanish flu to covid


Jesus Christ

 

[Woland]

Even the Oxford vaccine doesn't look as bad as originally feared against the variants, probs cos of T-Cell immunity rather than antibody stuff

 

[Atlas]

Everyone is a realist, problem is we seem to be living in very different realities.

 

[Halmeister]

What's the score with the thing mutating and then not being as virulent? This is what I'm sure was said at the start. A variant that would spread quicker but would be about as deadly as a cold, and then we'd all be groovy.

The media etc will still be reacting as if it's the bubonic plague though and we will be in a perpetual state of lockdown. Might get a few days out for a bevvy if we've been good little proles every now and then to stop us from revolting.

 

[Best Believe It]

What's the score with the thing mutating and then not being as virulent? This is what I'm sure was said at the start. A variant that would spread quicker but would be about as deadly as a cold, and then we'd all be groovy.

It's based on the premise that generally viruses eventually become less deadly. They do this as if everyone dies who gets it then it doesn't get transmitted as prolifically, so the less deadly strains last, whereas the more deadly strains die off with those infected.

 

[dantes]

It's based on the premise that generally viruses eventually become less deadly. They do this as if everyone dies who gets it then it doesn't get transmitted as prolifically, so the less deadly strains last, whereas the more deadly strains die off with those infected.

Except the maths there requires a sufficiently infinite pool of humans for the virus to work its way through in order to reach that harmless end point. For most viruses that jump from a pangolin to 0.001% of the population, then the remaining 99.999% that it has left to play with is effectively infinite as far as the virus is concerned, so it's a waiting game. But when you have a virus that jumps to 10, 20 and 30% of the population in the blink of an eye, then expecting the other 70% to be anywhere near enough to work with in order to chance upon the friendly neighbourhood virus mutant emerging, is quite frankly very foolish. You're probably all going to die first and never see the end of the game.

 

[mark1975]

Just got booked in for the first dose of the vaccine, I'm having it on Wednesday with the 2nd one in May. I've got to be honest, I'm not that convinced considering how quickly it's been rolled out, but I have to do it (more or less) because of my job.

 

[keniget]

Just got booked in for the first dose of the vaccine, I'm having it on Wednesday with the 2nd one in May. I've got to be honest, I'm not that convinced considering how quickly it's been rolled out, but I have to do it (more or less) because of my job.

Do you get told which one you’re getting?

 

[Squiggles]

The Oxford one is giving a lot of people heavy flu symptoms for 2 days or so. My mums administering it and saying the after effects aren't getting reported to ensure uptake is high. Administering the Oxford one is causing work based planning issues because firms are increasingly having staff off sick straight after having it.

She also knew two Nurses who took part in the trials who also had the same symptoms. My partners sister also was in bed for 2 days after.

It's no major deal but something to be aware of if you've got people depended on you.

She had the pfizer one herself and said she had no side effects at all.

 

[mark1975]

It doesn't tell me which one. My Dad and his wife had theirs at the same clinic and reported a dead/heavy arm feeling for a day, but no flu symptoms. My Mother in law went to a different clinic and had flu symptoms, went to bed and woke up feeling fine, others reported tiredness.

My daughter and her partner had Covid in the last couple of weeks, along with another (connected) family member. All three just suffered tiredness and a stiff neck. No cold, fever, etc.

Search for "which vaccine am I having", "how do I find out which vaccine I am having", blah blah. Google doesnt address those questions with its answers, it's like its disabled from allowing the question. Hmmmm...

 

[Lippy]

Far from it.. I'm being a realist

Yes all pandemic come to end.. eventually..

We have a few more years of this yet.. That is the reality.... Sadly....

Virus mutations are evolving in ways to elude the current arsenal of COVID-19 treatments.. They will evolve to counteract vaccinations.. Virus's mission in life will be to survive..

Vaccinations work primarily by generating a torrent of antibodies that looks to disable the spike protein in that varient

The Spanish flu lasted from February 1918 to April 1920, it infected 500 million people around about a third of the world's population at the time in four successive waves. We are currently on wave 2..

This is not flu virus though.. people need to remember that. Whilst flu vaccinations have set the benchmark for developing vaccinations worldwide. Development of Covid 19 vaccinations is a completely different egg..

However the more this virus mutates the more that will be learnt about it, to counteract it.. Though whilst it mutates and how those variants mutate is where the damage will undoubtedly be done..

Flu virii are able to mutate to a greater extent than corona virii because they can "change shape" whereas Corona virii can't. We're in wave 3 not 2. All the signs are the vaccines are making a difference but carry on being full of fear. It's a horrible virus and yes it will mutate but it does not mutate to the extent a flu virus can. Plus mutation does not mean it becomes more dangerous. And it's not all about antibodies. Like Woland says the T-cell thing is totally overlooked.

 

[jon545660]

You might be able to work out which vaccine you'll be getting based on where you're getting it. I got mine at one of the big vaccination centres and they were only doing the Oxford vaccine.

Had some side effects. By midday the next day I had to go back to bed. Shivers, headache, nausea. Fine the next day.

 

[Frogfish]

Just got booked in for the first dose of the vaccine, I'm having it on Wednesday with the 2nd one in May. I've got to be honest, I'm not that convinced considering how quickly it's been rolled out, but I have to do it (more or less) because of my job.

Pfizer or AZ ? The Pfizer has had an amazing performance in Israel from the recent reports (against all variants).

 

[Frogfish]

The Oxford one is giving a lot of people heavy flu symptoms for 2 days or so. My mums administering it and saying the after effects aren't getting reported to ensure uptake is high. Administering the Oxford one is causing work based planning issues because firms are increasingly having staff off sick straight after having it.

She also knew two Nurses who took part in the trials who also had the same symptoms. My partners sister also was in bed for 2 days after.

It's no major deal but something to be aware of if you've got people depended on you.

She had the pfizer one herself and said she had no side effects at all.

My parents (83 & 90 yrs old) had the AZ one. Zero side effects. As with any vaccine it seems some people have a stronger reaction than others.

 

[mark1975]

I can't see where it tells me the vaccine type, there's nothing on any of the info that states which one it is, strangely.

 

[rubans]

Yeah, heard about the heavy flu symptoms. Bloke had it at work, he was off for 2 days with flu but ok now. Didn’t ask which one but assume AZ.

 

[The Nomad]

From people I've spoken to.

There seems to be more reactions with the AZ/Oxford vaccine over the Pfzier vaccine

However the severity and length of the reaction seems to be greater on Pfzier one.

 

[keniget]

It doesn't tell me which one. My Dad and his wife had theirs at the same clinic and reported a dead/heavy arm feeling for a day, but no flu symptoms. My Mother in law went to a different clinic and had flu symptoms, went to bed and woke up feeling fine, others reported tiredness.

My daughter and her partner had Covid in the last couple of weeks, along with another (connected) family member. All three just suffered tiredness and a stiff neck. No cold, fever, etc.

Search for "which vaccine am I having", "how do I find out which vaccine I am having", blah blah. Google doesnt address those questions with its answers, it's like its disabled from allowing the question. Hmmmm...

The dead arm sounds like Pfizer one.

 

[the count]

From people I've spoken to.

There seems to be more reactions with the AZ/Oxford vaccine over the Pfzier vaccine

However the severity and length of the reaction seems to be greater on Pfzier one.

The pfizer vaccine promotes a strong reaction after the second dose apparently

 

[Judge Jules]

I'll watch out for that then, 'coz it's the one I got nearly a fortnight ago. Rollout is going really well here in the Midlands. Absolutely no side effects from the first dose.

There's research going on to see whether any risk attaches to having different types of vaccine on first and second doses, so it's not definite at this stage that you'll get the same one both times.

 

[Athens]

They opened up some sort of super vaccination centre in Athens.

Well, they were meant to open it but it's closed because of snow.

 

[HC]

I can't see where it tells me the vaccine type, there's nothing on any of the info that states which one it is, strangely.

You get told when you have the vaccine, well they hand you a load of bs on the vaccine with side effects for that version etc.

 

[Athens]

 

[Brizzle]

You get told when you have the vaccine, well they hand you a load of bs on the vaccine with side effects for that version etc.

They write it on your form.

My sister has had both doses of Pfizer now and no side affects at all. My missus had one of Pfizer, felt headachey overnight but then all good.

 

[HC]

They write it on your form.

My sister has had both doses of Pfizer now and no side affects at all. My missus had one of Pfizer, felt headachey overnight but then all good.

Form?

Card ? I've not had it but family have, they all received a card with the next dose date on it and a a couple of sheets of a4 with potential side affects and what you've exactly taken ( all the usual bumpf you get with medicinal products)

 

[Brizzle]

Form?

Card ? I've not had it but family have, they all received a card with the next dose date on it and a a couple of sheets of a4 with potential side affects and what you've exactly taken ( all the usual bumpf you get with medicinal products)

Yeah Card/Form. You get given one with date of dose and which vaccine it was.