Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

[rubans]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...m-bame-people-most-covid-19-lockdown-breaches
In Trafford, a mostly affluent part of Greater Manchester, health officials said younger middle-class residents were behind the recent rise in cases, not the south Asian community.
Eleanor Roaf, Trafford council’s director of public health, said about 57% of the new cases were people aged 25 or below and included those in its wealthiest suburbs, Altrincham and Hale, where footballers and actors live.
“It’s spread across Trafford. It’s not concentrated at all in our more deprived areas,” she told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.
“My real concern is perhaps the messaging. Definitely the harms from Covid are concentrated in the more deprived areas but in fact anyone can get it and we really need to make sure that people living in wealthier areas aren’t complacent because that’s the biggest risk.
“Altrincham, Hale, have been some of our hotspots in Trafford, so the messaging I’m wanting to get out is [that] absolutely anyone can get it.”

 

[Frogfish]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...m-bame-people-most-covid-19-lockdown-breaches
In Trafford, a mostly affluent part of Greater Manchester, health officials said younger middle-class residents were behind the recent rise in cases, not the south Asian community.
Eleanor Roaf, Trafford council’s director of public health, said about 57% of the new cases were people aged 25 or below and included those in its wealthiest suburbs, Altrincham and Hale, where footballers and actors live.
“It’s spread across Trafford. It’s not concentrated at all in our more deprived areas,” she told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.
“My real concern is perhaps the messaging. Definitely the harms from Covid are concentrated in the more deprived areas but in fact anyone can get it and we really need to make sure that people living in wealthier areas aren’t complacent because that’s the biggest risk.
“Altrincham, Hale, have been some of our hotspots in Trafford, so the messaging I’m wanting to get out is [that] absolutely anyone can get it.”

This is hardly surprising news when one considers the demographic of pub and party goers who seem to be rampant since the lockdown was lifted ! It was blindingly obvious to all and sundry except, it seems, certain officials !

 

[Athens]

There are increasing numbers of new cases here, it was 55, 57, 66 new cases during the week and yesterday I read that there were 110 new cases... I think they'll go back into lockdown here, possibly soon as the 15th of August is a big holiday here and lots of people go on their holidays on the days either side of it. I'm not sure the government will want people travelling all over the country spreading it.

 

[Frogfish]

There are increasing numbers of new cases here, it was 55, 57, 66 new cases during the week and yesterday I read that there were 110 new cases... I think they'll go back into lockdown here, possibly soon as the 15th of August is a big holiday here and lots of people go on their holidays on the days either side of it. I'm not sure the government will want people travelling all over the country spreading it.

I would be very surprised if that happened. Statistically a single day jump is virtually irrelevant, using the 7 day moving average on Worldometers is a far better indication. Yes it has moved up, but only from 42 (2 weeks ago) to 60 today. In a population of 11 million and with Greece way down the list of worst affected European countries.

Additionally if Greece locks down again then tourism stops - they simply can't afford to let that happen.

I'm just back from 2 weeks in Italy. People were acting responsibly, wearing masks, socially distancing (wherever possible) and using disinfectant (supplied at the entrances / exits to all shops, hotels, petrol stations etc.) which is clearly the way to go (note I'm ignoring Dantes' advice/opinion here which will likely infuriate him 😀 )

 

[FoxForceFive]

There are increasing numbers of new cases here, it was 55, 57, 66 new cases during the week and yesterday I read that there were 110 new cases... I think they'll go back into lockdown here, possibly soon as the 15th of August is a big holiday here and lots of people go on their holidays on the days either side of it. I'm not sure the government will want people travelling all over the country spreading it.

Is that just Athens or Greece?

 

[dantes]

I would be very surprised if that happened. Statistically a single day jump is virtually irrelevant, using the 7 day moving average on Worldometers is a far better indication. Yes it has moved up, but only from 42 (2 weeks ago) to 60 today. In a population of 11 million and with Greece way down the list of worst affected European countries.

Additionally if Greece locks down again then tourism stops - they simply can't afford to let that happen.

I'm just back from 2 weeks in Italy. People were acting responsibly, wearing masks, socially distancing (wherever possible) and using disinfectant (supplied at the entrances / exits to all shops, hotels, petrol stations etc.) which is clearly the way to go (note I'm ignoring Dantes' advice/opinion here which will likely infuriate him 😀 )

Those are quite responsible actions for preventing cold and flu outbreaks. But if we close our eyes and wish really hard, then this airborne virus where the load contained in inhaled micro droplets is infectious, we can wish that away with thoughts, prayers and bits of cloth that sit quite loosely over our faces.

 

[Frogfish]

Those are quite responsible actions for preventing cold and flu outbreaks. But if we close our eyes and wish really hard, then this airborne virus where the load contained in inhaled micro droplets is infectious, we can wish that away with thoughts, prayers and bits of cloth that sit quite loosely over our faces.

Quite aside from your totally illogical anti-Mask fetish, the load required for infection still hasn't been identified so it's impossible to calculate, or state with any degree of logical certainty, what that risk is in any specific circumstance (hence the proliferation of sometimes contradictory, and sometimes extremely conservative, advice).

 

[dantes]

Quite aside from your totally illogical anti-Mask fetish, the load required for infection still hasn't been identified so it's impossible to calculate, or state with any degree of logical certainty, what that risk is in any specific circumstance (hence the proliferation of sometimes contradictory, and sometimes extremely conservative, advice).

It's not an exam paper, you don't need to know the precise minimum load in moles per litre. It is obvious from the rate of infection that the only mechanism by which that can happen is through inhalation of droplets. There is no study I'm aware of that tells you the precise temperature at which your skin will blister up and melt, but that doesn't mean you should put on a mask and walk into a blast furnace.

 

[Athens]

I would be very surprised if that happened. Statistically a single day jump is virtually irrelevant, using the 7 day moving average on Worldometers is a far better indication. Yes it has moved up, but only from 42 (2 weeks ago) to 60 today. In a population of 11 million and with Greece way down the list of worst affected European countries.

Additionally if Greece locks down again then tourism stops - they simply can't afford to let that happen.

I'm just back from 2 weeks in Italy. People were acting responsibly, wearing masks, socially distancing (wherever possible) and using disinfectant (supplied at the entrances / exits to all shops, hotels, petrol stations etc.) which is clearly the way to go (note I'm ignoring Dantes' advice/opinion here which will likely infuriate him 😀 )

Yeah, people here are generally wearing masks inside. I was in our most convenient supermarket the other day and out of about ten or twelve customers who where there at the time 9 had masks on. One lady had a mask but it was hanging from her right ear and one couple weren't wearing masks. All the staff were wearing masks.

Is that just Athens or Greece?

All over. Lots of the cases had been brought in by tourists (I don't want to alarm you with your upcoming holidays to Rhodes.) I reckon the 15th of August will be the acid test, let's see how it goes then. When are you travelling?

We're just going to go to my wife's mad aunt's house which is only an hour away from here. I would love to go to Rhodes, I hear it's lovely.

 

[Frogfish]

It's not an exam paper, you don't need to know the precise minimum load in moles per litre. It is obvious from the rate of infection that the only mechanism by which that can happen is through inhalation of droplets. There is no study I'm aware of that tells you the precise temperature at which your skin will blister up and melt, but that doesn't mean you should put on a mask and walk into a blast furnace.

You do have me in a quandary ... should I listen to 100% of the world's medical experts (note I'm excluding conspiracy nutters here), who are in agreement on masks, or Dantes with his graphs and charts. Hmm

 

[Frogfish]

Those are quite responsible actions for preventing cold and flu outbreaks. But if we close our eyes and wish really hard, then this airborne virus where the load contained in inhaled micro droplets is infectious, we can wish that away with thoughts, prayers and bits of cloth that sit quite loosely over our faces.

Flu = not a coronavirus. Colds = coronavirus. CV-19 = coronavirus, albeit rather more pernicious.

 

[Rosco]

You do have me in a quandary ... should I listen to 100% of the world's medical experts (note I'm excluding conspiracy nutters here), who are in agreement on masks, or Dantes with his graphs and charts. Hmm

The problem is those experts, like Dr. Fauci, three months ago were saying masks were a waste of time.

Science bitch.

 

[dantes]

You do have me in a quandary ... should I listen to 100% of the world's medical experts (note I'm excluding conspiracy nutters here), who are in agreement on masks, or Dantes with his graphs and charts. Hmm

By all means listen to the medical expert if you're infected and fighting for your life. Otherwise, you ought really to be listening to fluid mechanics experts.

 

[Frogfish]

The problem is those experts, like Dr. Fauci, three months ago were saying masks were a waste of time.

Science bitch.

Lucky he's seen the error of his ways then (or more likely decided to ignore the instructions from his boss).

 

[Rosco]

Lucky he's seen the error of his ways then (or more lucky decided to ignore the instructions from his boss).

There's the reality , science has been politicised and compromised. Not unique to the USA.

So why feel comfortable relying on any scientific study right now ?

 

[Athens]

By all means listen to the medical expert if you're infected and fighting for your life. Otherwise, you ought really to be listening to fluid mechanics experts.

Fluids don't even have mechanics, fluids have plumbers. Just shows what you know.

 

[Frogfish]

There's the reality , science has been politicised and compromised. Not unique to the USA.

So why feel comfortable relying on any scientific study right now ?

When scientific studies are limited they need to be peer reviewed for confirmation (barring an unforeseen influencing factor). However when there are more studies into one disease than any other in the history of medicine, and they come to the same conclusion, you'd have to be insane (or a conspiracy freak) to ignore the weight of evidence.

 

[FoxForceFive]

Yeah, people here are generally wearing masks inside. I was in our most convenient supermarket the other day and out of about ten or twelve customers who where there at the time 9 had masks on. One lady had a mask but it was hanging from her right ear and one couple weren't wearing masks. All the staff were wearing masks.


All over. Lots of the cases had been brought in by tourists (I don't want to alarm you with your upcoming holidays to Rhodes.) I reckon the 15th of August will be the acid test, let's see how it goes then. When are you travelling?

We're just going to go to my wife's mad aunt's house which is only an hour away from here. I would love to go to Rhodes, I hear it's lovely.

We're.not going until the 26th August.

Logic dictates that Rhodes will be much less likely to increase simply cos its an island, but it's an obv tourist destination & the UK government has stopped travel to the Spanish Islands as well as the mainland, which considering how low their islands numbers are makes no sense.

We knew that going in there would be a chance it would happen though, & we've got travel insurance that covers us for anything covid related whatsoever, so it is what it is.

And yeah, Rhodes is beautiful, this will be our third trip there, one was for our wedding.

 

[StevieM]

Disaster protocols enacted in Melbourne- which I believe gives State Government more powers.

Stage 4 restrictions introduced - not allowed to be further than 5 kms from your home, only 1 person to go shopping once a day per household, allowed out to exercise for 1 hour a day, curfew between 8pm and 5am.

Much harsher than the first lockdown.

1 in 4 people that had either tested positive or were wait uing on results were found to be “not at home” when they were visited by authorities.

 

[Rosco]

However wearing a mask in the UK to protect against 2019-nCoL now (or keeping children out of pools) is .. fucking nuts.

You said this you fucking clown.

Maybe take your own advice about when to listen to science.

 

[Frogfish]

You said this you fucking clown.

Maybe take your own advice about when to listen to science.

You really are an obnoxious little sniveling shit aren't you.

Let's put that into context shall we ? Since you are up to your usual contemptible cut and paste and pervert without context.

That quote was from 7th FEBRUARY. You snidy little twat. There were only THREE confirmed cases in the UK.

Now fuck off you dumb twat.

 

[Frogfish]

 

[Rosco]

You really are an obnoxious little sniveling shit aren't you.

Let's put that into context shall we ? Since you are up to your usual contemptible cut and paste and pervert without context.

That quote was from 7th FEBRUARY. You snidy little twat. There were only THREE confirmed cases in the UK.

Now fuck off you dumb twat.

And you were 100% wrong. And that was before you began with the propaganda

 

[Frogfish]

And you were 100% wrong. And that was before you began with the propaganda

Ha ! I was 100% right - nobody in their right mind would recommend telling everyone to wear a mask when there were only THREE infections in the whole of the UK (one per 22 million people).

Of course circumstances subsequently changed and then wearing masks was the correct thing to do. You see Ross that's the thing you seem to be failing to grasp, as circumstances change so attitudes and opinions are entitled to as well.

Of course you know this but you are oh so desperate to try to denigrate & belittle (being the nasty minded little shit you are) anyone in your black book. That's pretty much your whole modus operandum on 6CM in fact, from thread to thread. You really are a sad & bitter little man.

Anyway you've been butt-fucked this time. Time you STFU.

 

[Rosco]

So what you're saying is you were wrong , I was right and you're just slower to get to the correct answer.

I already knew this.

 

[Frogfish]

So what you're saying is you were wrong , I was right and you're just slower to get to the correct answer.

I already knew this.

Haha, only in your conspiracy theory addled mind Ross.

 

[dantes]

Delusional fools. If they are that worried as to assault people, what the fuck are they doing on a plane? Oh of course, their magic masks will protect them because reasons.

 

[Athens]

@FoxForceFive I forgot to say, a geezer I work with lives in Rhodes so if you're looking for any recommendations for food I can ask him.

Also, drink Alfa beer.

 

[FoxForceFive]

@FoxForceFive I forgot to say, a geezer I work with lives in Rhodes so if you're looking for any recommendations for food I can ask him.

Also, drink Alfa beer.

Cheers mate, a recommendation for somewhere nice for lunch in Rhodes Town would be good. Will be staying in the hotel most of the time but me & Bex are ditching the kids & going into Rhodes Town at least once.

I do like Alfa, I like Mythos too tbf though, it all tastes better when you're on holiday.

 

[Rosco]