Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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The majority ignoring lockdown means going the park or beach or doing tiktoks about how oppressive masks are, but these don't seem to be as dangerous as the multi occupancy stuff. No harm in pointing that out. If you're saying pointing it out isn't going to change anything then that's a message Tommy Robinson will pick up and run with.
The govt will blame anything it can except themselves. A populace arguing amongst itself is exactly what it wants. Blame the fatties, blame the Asians, blame the millennials, blame the teachers. Blame anyone but those most at fault
The govt will blame anything it can except themselves. A populace arguing amongst itself is exactly what it wants. Blame the fatties, blame the Asians, blame the millennials, blame the teachers. Blame anyone but those most at fault
Tommy Robinson is no longer with us, he emigrated to Spain, and claimed some sort of asylum there because of safety concerns for his family over here.
Highlighting multi occupancy housing as an issue is one thing, highlighting the dangers of this is fine. Bring attention to it is cool.
Saying Asians ain't taking it seriously is very different.
He set fire to his own house and the police are waiting for him
I wonder if that's why the COVID numbers were worse in Italy/Spain, where there is more multigenerational housing and intergenerational mingling in general than in Norther European countries. You see it here in the US too – New Orleans was the first Southern city that got it real bad and here in NY by far the worst numbers are among the Latino communities in the Bronx and Queens. There is undeniably a cultural element to it.
(It goes without saying that the only solution to any of these challenges is governments getting their act together. If certain communities happen to be more vulnerable, they should redouble their efforts to help where it's needed.)
(It goes without saying that the only solution to any of these challenges is governments getting their act together. If certain communities happen to be more vulnerable, they should redouble their efforts to help where it's needed.)
I reckon you're on to something there Rurik - that and the fact that Italy (don't know so much about Spain though it wouldn't surprise me) has a relatively older population anyway, which I expect would be a multiplier as well.
Totally correct. This was actually stated as being a major contributory factor right at the beginning of the outbreak in those countries, by WHO amongst others. Old news really because it is a known major factor in the spread of the virus (and hence why, amongst other reasons, it's going to be impossible to stop in the Indian sub-continent and South America, Mexico etc.).
We often used to pop over to Valencia (our daughter's partner's birthplace) and not only do many generations live in the same house or building but they socialise together, 4 generations, all the time and at most meals. Like most Latin countries the families are very tightly knitted.
There is a element of truth there but then that doesn’t explain why there as such few cases in parts of south east asia such as Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia etc. Not sure about some of the countries but know Malaysia has the similar multi generational house holds setup. However, they did lockdown pretty hard earlier and used a state based regional system.
That's exactly the answer. Oriental countries are far more disciplined when given Govt. instructions (China, HK, S.Korea, Japan, Malaysia, Sing.) though I'll exclude Indonesia because a) their reporting is likely very inaccurate and b) the population is spread out over 17,500 islands and also Philippines (for similar reasons). Otherwise Oriental countries' populations were very obedient and as you say "locked-down hard".
Someone on the radio the other day was saying there has to be other reasons for why the East did soooo much better than the West. One theory is a mild illness that gives some immunity must have swept through those parts before.
The total lack of deaths in Vietnam has got people from all over the world running round testing Vietnamese blood trying to figure out why. If there is something that's very mild that gives immunity then that could be the basis of a safe vaccine / cure
The whole Shanghai / Beijing thing also makes no sense without some level of prior immunity
The total lack of deaths in Vietnam has got people from all over the world running round testing Vietnamese blood trying to figure out why. If there is something that's very mild that gives immunity then that could be the basis of a safe vaccine / cure
The whole Shanghai / Beijing thing also makes no sense without some level of prior immunity
There might be some validity to that. Samples from Italian drains (sewage) that were rechecked recently showed signs of a potential strain of CV-19 going back to Feb 2019. Notably the Italian strain of CV-19 came from Singapore not China (there are three distinct strains circulating).
I can't remember the source now but there was a theory that CV-19 has actually been around but dormant for a long time and it just so happened that conditions were perfect for it to become active (nothing to do with the wet market per se., that was just another hot-spot). Similar in some regards to say the Anthrax outbreak in Siberia when melting ice enabled the disease via a host (Mammoth).
If it swept through, then it would have spread throughout the world too. It's more likely they've built up immunity over time through regular exposure to strains which have been mutated in snakes, bats, rats, dogs, and so forth. So once they brought about the bastard of a pangolin strain that was airborne, they were ok, but the rest of the world with no such exposure were fucked.
Loads of viruses pop up and disappear in local settings because of ideal conditions being met. It might not be nearly as transmissible as covid (basically nothing is). SARS battered the East and barely made a dent here. This could have been something like the sniffles that needed certain genetic markers, noone knows at this stage
Viruses were the thing that interested me the most when I was a kid and was why I wanted to study medicine. I don't know if any of this zillion year old info is relevant, but viruses have lytic and latent cycles when they reproduce. They can lie latent in a host cell for years until certain conditions are met. That was always taught as one individual host and not a population but maybe it's something to do with that. Retroviruses that can cause cancer can be sitting there for years, that always freaked me out. You've got this sleeper cell time bomb waiting for some endocrine shock to kick off a cancer. That was really controversial at the time, pretty much noone believed this to be possible but these three dudes worked away while being mocked until they eventually proved it, took decades... Just in time for HIV to appear, the first retrovirus that could be transmitted human to human. They were the only dudes who recognised what it might be and... Blah blah blah, I'm boring you now, but viruses are dead fucking interesting
Has Rosco hacked your account?
Had they kept their work a secret, after people started to die they could have showed up and made themselves obscenely wealthy, whilst also refusing to save anyone who was on the list of people that mocked them.
It's also why cold sores can disappear before mysteriously reappearing years later.
I think that lots of the "junk" DNA we have is the remnants of some virus which managed to get its DNA incorporated into ours and now it just sits there and gets replicated without contributing anything.
It's no longer considered to be junk, that was just a lazy way for scientists to avoid having to investigate something.
Is the junk DNA the same stuff that comes from viruses hitching a ride?
Yes, some of it will be. But given that we're not walking around with epidermal spores and tentacle like limbs, then it is a small part.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/science/ancient-viruses-dna-genome.html
https://news.sky.com/story/former-h...-must-not-be-dismissed-as-conspiracy-12021693
Wuhan is the epicenter of world research on bat related Coronavirus, and the outbreak begins there.
And people are naive enough to think that's a pure coincidence. Backed by the scientists who've been incorrect in every respect about Covid
Wuhan is the epicenter of world research on bat related Coronavirus, and the outbreak begins there.
And people are naive enough to think that's a pure coincidence. Backed by the scientists who've been incorrect in every respect about Covid
From what I remember the old viral DNA just sits there and gets replicated without coding for any proteins. Is it alive?
They will at least have to code for the proteins that form the virus shell, or else it wouldn't be fit for purpose. Not sure about other proteins, the article above says it codes for hemo protein which human babies rely upon in the womb, so we have gone so far as to exploit this bonus dna during our evolution. #VirusLivesMatter although they ain't alive but they do.
The low levels in Vietnam are amazing. I literally saw a family of 5 on one scooter there before. Their cafes and eating shacks (cant think of a better word) are not set up for social distancing. Having said that a friend of my colleague was in Vietnam and in a pub linked to an outbreak in March. Everyone who was there on Paddy's day was basically rounded up and brought to a quarantine centre up the mountains for two weeks. Aggressive tactics obviously help too. In general in Asia deaths seem to be way down. I guess it's possible that it's genetically closer to existing viruses that are more common in Asia and their immune systems better able to deal with it?