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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

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The government here have told shops should keep the air conditioning turned off so as to try and limit the spread.

That's going to be hell for the staff, it gets a bit toasty warm here in June, July and August. I don't know if this will stop the fridges from working, I know that if the ambient temp is too high then a fridge shift the heat from the condenser at the back. Perhaps the ones in supermarkets have a higher working range of temperatures? @dantes ?
 
With or without one, the goal should be to keep as many people well as possible, know where clusters appear, then deal with them. Like civilised countries are doing.
 
I heard one virologist from Cambridge interviewed on radio about a vaccine the other day. The way he put it was that you can never guarantee there'll be one before it's actually made/discovered, but in his view there's a better than even chance that that will happen.
 
Woland said:
With or without one, the goal should be to keep as many people well as possible, know where clusters appear, then deal with them. Like civilised countries are doing.
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Civilised countries like China ?

Who keep Muslims in modern day concentration camps ?
 
Athens said:
The government here have told shops should keep the air conditioning turned off so as to try and limit the spread.

That's going to be hell for the staff, it gets a bit toasty warm here in June, July and August. I don't know if this will stop the fridges from working, I know that if the ambient temp is too high then a fridge shift the heat from the condenser at the back. Perhaps the ones in supermarkets have a higher working range of temperatures? @dantes ?
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Time was i used to be asked to explain quantum mechanics, alas now it's fridges. The rate of heat transfer is proportional to the temperature difference. You need that to be in double figures to make it worth your while. So put the back of your palm on the condenser and if is hotter than the air, hot enough to scold your skin, the fridge will cool down. The problem is on the other end. The stuff inside the fridge will get hotter more quickly, so the fridge will have to be constantly offloading that heat out the back, the pump will be on all the time, which will cause it to fail.

Time to invest in Bosch and Miele.
 
Woland said:
Is that your version of the Chewbacca defence?

Anyway, back onto the subject...
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I don't get the Star Wars reference.

If China was civilised the wet market that Coronavirus began in wouldn't have existed.

But there is an interesting discussion to be had about what role the various human rights instruments (that neither China or New Zealand are bound by) played in slowing or handicapping the Coronavirus response.

The media generally doesn't factor that in to coverage but government departments have to factor it into decision making.

For example, the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights and the ECHR. Most people wouldn't be familiar that the case law has developed in a way that says you have to take the measures that are proportional - I.e. the least restrictive ones that could meet the goal.
 
dantes said:
Time was i used to be asked to explain quantum mechanics, alas now it's fridges. The rate of heat transfer is proportional to the temperature difference. You need that to be in double figures to make it worth your while. So put the back of your palm on the condenser and if is hotter than the air, hot enough to scold your skin, the fridge will cool down. The problem is on the other end. The stuff inside the fridge will get hotter more quickly, so the fridge will have to be constantly offloading that heat out the back, the pump will be on all the time, which will cause it to fail.

Time to invest in Bosch and Miele.
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I thought I would ask you something that you actually knew what you were talking about for a change.
 
IKEA China reminds people not to masturbate in its stores
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IKEA store Credit: Pexels/Alexander Isreb


After a video of a woman masturbating in an IKEA store in China went viral, the company released a statement reminding people not to masturbate in its stores. The video, which allegedly has been scrubbed from Chinese social media, shows the woman touching herself on various furniture pieces in IKEA showrooms. The statement of the Swedish furniture store said that they would take “even more careful security and public cleanliness measures” and asked customers to “browse stores in an orderly and civilised way”.
 
ONS says there have now been 8,312 deaths in care homes with covid-19 (up to 1st May).

That means 37.8% of all deaths with covid-19 in England & Wales are in care homes, despite the Health Secretary saying an hour ago that it was only a quarter.

How did the Tories stop the NHS being over run ??.. Partly because they sent elderly COVID patients back to their care homes, without being tested, so they essentially infected everyone ??

Then there was the cancelling of thousands of operations, cancelling many people’s chemotherapy, leading health deterioration and in many instances more deaths.

This together with the thousands being left to die in care homes instead of hospitals.

Such a success story. Not..

What they actual fuck did they build the nightingale hospitals for ?
 
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Rosco said:
IKEA China reminds people not to masturbate in its stores
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IKEA store Credit: Pexels/Alexander Isreb


After a video of a woman masturbating in an IKEA store in China went viral, the company released a statement reminding people not to masturbate in its stores. The video, which allegedly has been scrubbed from Chinese social media, shows the woman touching herself on various furniture pieces in IKEA showrooms. The statement of the Swedish furniture store said that they would take “even more careful security and public cleanliness measures” and asked customers to “browse stores in an orderly and civilised way”.
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Are we sure she was rummaging around for a missing allen key & then getting wildly frustrated by the badly portrayed pictorial instructions?
 
manwithnoname said:
What's wrong with wanting to save Western capitalism? What's wrong with people - well, some of them anyway - wanting to go back to work? Who the fuck is going to pay everyone to stay at home all year?

We need to rescue the economy and save as many jobs and industries as possible; we can't have the UK and rest of the world in lockdown indefinitely. I agree with Starmer on this.
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Same. I just wish it was him implementing and the response. Starmer has an obsession for detail which is exactly what we need right now. Borris is just all bluster and it's causing confusion.
 
Wuhan, the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak in China, has reported its first cluster of infections since a lockdown on the central Chinese city was lifted a month ago, raising concerns of a wider resurgence of the virus.

The new infections sounded a note of caution amid efforts to ease coronavirus-related restrictions across China as businesses restart and individuals go back to work.

Wuhan reported five new confirmed cases, all of whom live in the same residential compound. One of them was the wife of an 89-year-old man reported a day earlier in the first confirmed case in the city in more than a month.

"At present, the task of epidemic prevention and control in the city is still very heavy," said the Wuhan health authority in a statement. "We must resolutely contain the risk of are bound."

All of the latest confirmed cases were previously classified as asymptomatic, people who test positive for the virus and are capable of infecting others but do not show clinical signs such as a fever.
 
Czech Republic is beginning to get back to normal. There have been under 300 deaths and under 30 new cases of the virus for about 2 weeks. They were the 1st European country to close the borders and amongst the first to order a lockdown. The lockdown was remarkably well observed and that is partly down to an inherent level of obedience "instilled" by the communist regimes. Face masks are compulsory and again this was very well observed.

Today I walked down to my local village and most of the businesses are back open (apart from bars, cafes and restaurants that don't have outside seating). Schools are back from next Monday. The face masks remain compulsory but people are getting a bit "lazy" with them now and many people wear them just above their chin/mouth. From the 25th the face masks are off. It will be interesting to see if there is any 2nd wave given how effective the measures have been.

Czech regularly gets referred to as Eastern Europe (a legacy of having being a communist country) but it could not be more central - Prague is more westerly than Stockholm, Vienna and Berlin and as a result of it's location it is a major conduit for transport throughout the continent so it's pretty damn impressive that they took the risk of being the first EU country to shut it's borders and equally impressive that the impact of the virus has (so far) been relatively low.
 
peekay said:
It is possible to implement policies which @Woland is suggesting in a more democratic setup. Just google Kerala model.

https://tinyurl.com/y7pwwjrz

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/13/999313/kerala-fight-covid-19-india-coronavirus/
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It's not about democracy.

When a European state has to implement a Coronavirus plan it has to do so in a way that least impacts people's human rights. Have a look at this list :

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:12012P/TXT
They largely correspond with the ECHR , but the ECHR is of wider import because it applies to all national measures.

Swift and very restrictive action on Coronavirus is much easier when you don't need to consult a team of lawyers about the European Fundamental Rights and Convention rights before taking action.
 
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Rosco said:
It's not about democracy.

When a European state has to implement a Coronavirus plan it has to do so in a way that least impacts people's human rights. Have a look at this list :

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:12012P/TXT
They largely correspond with the ECHR , but the ECHR is of wider import because it applies to all national measures.

Swift and very restrictive action on Coronavirus is much easier when you don't need to consult a team of lawyers about the European Fundamental Rights and Convention rights before taking action.
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Interesting. But how come Czech republic, Austria were able to implement harsher lockdown quicker than other European countries?
 
Rosco said:
It's not about democracy.

When a European state has to implement a Coronavirus plan it has to do so in a way that least impacts people's human rights. Have a look at this list :

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:12012P/TXT
They largely correspond with the ECHR , but the ECHR is of wider import because it applies to all national measures.

Swift and very restrictive action on Coronavirus is much easier when you don't need to consult a team of lawyers about the European Fundamental Rights and Convention rights before taking action.
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It's not about Human Rights. It's the privilege of a few to override the ability of the majority to, you know, be alive.

And thereafter criticizing other countries for being uncivilized and protecting their citizens.
 
peekay said:
Interesting. But how come Czech republic, Austria were able to implement harsher lockdown quicker than other European countries?
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Austria seemed to act at around the same time with the same measures as Ireland. So I don't know if was quicker or harsher. They have been quicker to ease restrictions.

The border wasn't locked down in Austria really, border checkpoints were temporarily reintroduced but they couldn't have refused entry to an EU citizen or their family. I think most were clever enough not to travel.

The Czech's seem to have ignored the EU on border control , they could be the subject of infringement proceedings but I think the Commission might be clever enough to let that slide. They won't allow a complete ban for a year on anybody entering the country like their PM wants. Their lockdown began four days earlier than Ireland's.
 
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