Did they order them off ebay or something? Surely you would order them from companies that have the ability to make the PPE to the correct standards???
Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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That's what the EU procurement process is supposed to deliver, bit in reality all that does is create work for lawyers.
The same issue has happened with supplies from China for EU countries:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52092395
I think it will end up with the EU realising we can't have the likes of Turkey and China in the supply chain because of issues like this and they'll reconsider the value of things within the EU.
I know that doesn't totally suit the Tories are bad agenda but I think we've started to realise global trade only works really well when there's no pandemics. And if they're going to become a regular thing we need to adapt accordingly.
The exporting country would obviously keep the good stuff for themselves, and then leverage the high demand and international bidding war to sell off any leftover shit at high prices. Since those prices are still less than actually paying UK companies at home to make proper stuff, I mean god forbid you put money into the hands of your own people, they went for the shit instead.
If your own people could make the same stuff then would they have to? Outsourcing everything at every level for profits margins would imagine has something to do with it.
How can you have 65million people and not be able to make ppe? It’s not like you are architecting nano tech.
Doesn’t also help your own government selling stuff to others abroad without thinking you may need the same shit in a couple of weeks time.
There’s kids with 3d printers able to produce this stuff, just need Organisation and Raw materials. We could have started in Jan and had a pipeline going by end of feb maybe if the will was there.
The amount of excuses people get in public jobs is aamazing.
And would that surprise you, or indeed anyone at all?
Very true
Blame global free trade agreements for enabling that. As much as you despise him, Jacob Rees-Mogg is about the only politician we have who understands this, because his old man was one of the few that foresaw it all.
Racist!!!!
Who say I despise Moggs or his weirdo dad, how could I, for an MP who manages to run a hedge fund from Ireland without running into any conflict of interest all this time and spout on like a common man about EU being evil empire. Nothing like working the system, fair play to him and his family.
Even if the UK did buy the PPE on aliexpress or wish or whatever, at least they got something for their money.
Some countries fell for a scam involving an Irish man who has links to Nigeria.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52280334
Some countries fell for a scam involving an Irish man who has links to Nigeria.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52280334
That assumes that the lockdown hasn't achieved what it set out to achieve though - reducing the number of unknown infected to a manageable number. If social distancing, disinfection and mask wearing in high risk locations are maintained then further outbreaks can potentially be localised and managed, as has been the case in South Korea and China.
All of what you've said is correct. But, Apple and Google could have shown willing at a time of crisis to facilitate. There are sovereign data requirements on that collection, there is no way it could ever be allowed to be held anywhere other than on a govt farm, absolutely no chance. Don't forget potentially what sort of people could be installing that app.
But again, I agree with you, the plan was badly managed which isn't surprising as many of us on here work/have worked with them on large scale IT projects.
Due to the complexity of the requirement, I don't actually think it was all that needed if the only option was to bodge it in a rushed manner. It's not like the is no other way to do contact tracing. Might make them think about how to handle such things in the future though.
They could have simply done what almost every other country did, & used the google/apple api, saved a shitload of cash, & had an app that works & the majority of people trusted.
Are you looking forward to your new career in plastics manufacturing once EU countries have dispensed with the need for so many lawyers?
He's already been looking up chicken nugget farms in the countryside for when it's all over.
No. I'm working my way towards the procurement money train.
And nothing the EU has done has ever resulted in less work for lawyers.
Well, apart from the free movement of people. That could have meant more work for lawyers behind the scenes but not for the average punter who moved from Ireland to Greece or wherever.
You couldn't have picked a worse example.
That is the most litigated directive of them all - and probably about 40% of my work for the past 5 years.
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What does a lawyer do when it comes from one person moving from one EU country to another? I'm curious as thankfully I haven't had to deal with any lawyers with regards to this.
He never did or attempted to or seriously planned to do any such thing. It was all words. Look at NAFTA – he spent months campaigning against it and anyone who supported it, calling it the "worst trade deal in a century". Once he actually had the power to renegotiate it, all he did was cosmetic changes, stamp his name on it, declare it "the greatest deal ever," done. This is how he operates, always.
NAFTA isn't anywhere near as big a problem, it's the thing the fake news cite as showing trade agreements are good things. Firstly, most canadians aren't willing to be paid less than americans, so there was never any danger of jobs being exported north. Secondly, the mexicans who are willing to work for less money tend to cross the border, and therefore spend a good proportion of their earnings in the states just like americans do, so again not a problem. Even the jobs that do move to mexico, the disparity in population makes it a drop in the ocean, which the american worker barely notices.
It is the population and wage disparity between the states and china/asia that is the problem. The entire us labour market can easily fit into china, all 100% of it can be lost, and it has been, draining away percent by percent for the last thirty years.
If everybody is an EU citizen, nothing.
If there's an EU citizen with non EEA family members, they might assist in EU Treaty rights visa and residence card applications. And litigation.
In Ireland the legal cases usually involves a UK citizen. Who is seeking to get spouses, children and extended family members from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh into the EU. Or else get a permission for a cousin, brother etc who is illegally on the State.
The level of fraud is astounding. Truly astounding. A Garda review of 2700 residence cards granted resulted in 92% of the residence cards being revoked because of fraud. Usually marriages of convenience. Latvian woman, Pakistani male.
Well, Trump didn't do anything substantial on China either. Even though I give him credit for at least bringing it into the realm of acceptable political discussion – but he never had the discipline to out-negotiate the Chinese, especially not with all the personal conflicts of interest thery were able to use as pressure points. As much as he might like to hurt China, he didn't go into politics to accomplish policy goals – only personal ones, which is something the Chinese know full well.
Here's a curious factoid illustrating the power dynamic – in February Trump and the whole of the Republican party started referring to COVID-19 as the "Chinese virus," it was clearly an agreed-upon strategy on their part (this was against the backdrop of Asian-looking people already being violently attacked, spat upon etc all over the country and instantly made it worse). That lasted for 10 days or so, until Xi and Trump had a long conversation by phone – since that conversation Trump hasn't mentioned "Chinese virus" once.
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I did say it was only a matter of time...
They’re calling Trumps re-election campaign The Death Star.
To no-ones surprise the twit is getting the absolute piss ripped out of him.
I hope Dantes checks Trumps exhaust port...
They’re calling Trumps re-election campaign The Death Star.
To no-ones surprise the twit is getting the absolute piss ripped out of him.
I hope Dantes checks Trumps exhaust port...
Domestically, Trump has been the best thing to happen to the CCP, since he makes Xi Jinping look like a fucking god in comparison. There was a lot of disquiet in China about the way they covered up the Wuhan virus, with greater cries for transparency.
But the subsequent collapse in the west, with the Big D advocating Lysol injections, armed protesters barging into senates, racism in the US, and America leading the way in number of deaths have give the population reason to think that China is the miles ahead of the west in terms of civilization. (Aided by a healthy does of CCP propaganda )
For the rest of us "third world nations" here in Asia (hogging the functional PPE while the first world writhes in agony) , we still hate and distrust the Chinese govt, but if the alternative is Donald Trump - - suffice to say China is now a few steps closer to global dominance.
But the subsequent collapse in the west, with the Big D advocating Lysol injections, armed protesters barging into senates, racism in the US, and America leading the way in number of deaths have give the population reason to think that China is the miles ahead of the west in terms of civilization. (Aided by a healthy does of CCP propaganda )
For the rest of us "third world nations" here in Asia (hogging the functional PPE while the first world writhes in agony) , we still hate and distrust the Chinese govt, but if the alternative is Donald Trump - - suffice to say China is now a few steps closer to global dominance.
Don't get ahead of yourself, first we shall see Biden Kenobi put up a decent fight as his fans look on from afar.
Curious that Xi forgot to add that he should not accuse china of creating the virus and threaten consequences.