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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

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dantes said:
Is the one recession not enough for you this decade?
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Obama was the one who saved us from the last recession I believe... and the one who gave Trump his unbelievable economy... which to be fair to Trump he didn't fuck up totally but he did just slice it even nicer for his rich pals... while lying about everything and being a fully racist dumb ass crook and fraudster who actually should be locked up... that said...You can't blame the virus on him... the ultra dumb fully retarded bullshit lies and poor slow response you can blame him for, however...

Fuck me... IF this shitty bug does ONE good thing then helping to get rid out of the shameful sub-human currently degrading the world to levels lower than it was before will be enough.

I've never understood why Americans are so polite to their politicians, just straight out laugh in his face and point out his bullshit lies live on camera... he is dumb as fuck... and he would lose any real argument... when he says "excuse me' and proceeds to fly off on a deflective tangent or come out with some other total fucking lie fucking straight out point out that he is lying and do not ever excuse him. Point out to him verbatim quotes of the bullshit he has said and then roll a clip on the news for when he lies to defend himself... he calls you Fake news so point out he is a Fake fucking president every fucking time you talk to the cunt.
 
Mors said:
Lowest number of deaths for a good couple of weeks today in england, good, thank fuck.
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Yet deaths outside hospitals, which are not recorded are likely to be on the increase such as care homes given 1 in 4 care homes particularly in london are running rife with the disease

So yeh don't believe everything you read...
 
Molbystwin said:
Obama was the one who saved us from the last recession I believe... and the one who gave Trump his unbelievable economy... which to be fair to Trump he didn't fuck up totally but he did just slice it even nicer for his rich pals... while lying about everything and being a fully racist dumb ass crook and fraudster who actually should be locked up... that said...You can't blame the virus on him... the ultra dumb fully retarded bullshit lies and poor slow response you can blame him for, however...

Fuck me... IF this shitty bug does ONE good thing then helping to get rid out of the shameful sub-human currently degrading the world to levels lower than it was before will be enough.

I've never understood why Americans are so polite to their politicians, just straight out laugh in his face and point out his bullshit lies live on camera... he is dumb as fuck... and he would lose any real argument... when he says "excuse me' and proceeds to fly off on a deflective tangent or come out with some other total fucking lie fucking straight out point out that he is lying and do not ever excuse him. Point out to him verbatim quotes of the bullshit he has said and then roll a clip on the news for when he lies to defend himself... he calls you Fake news so point out he is a Fake fucking president every fucking time you talk to the cunt.
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And what will that achieve? Big D is only lying to protect his image, he doesn't like to look stupid. It's a bit immature and doesn't work most of the time, but again who gives a fuck? You vote for Biden, or AOC, or Obama, they're not lying out of embarrassment, they're lying out of being pure evil scumbags that deserve death. Their lies are to take your dollars out of your pocket and and into theirs, their lies are designed to keep you down, they're designed to protect paedophiles.

Don't let the fake news fool you, Big D is the only leader on the planet with the interests of his citizens at heart. That's what matters to those americans that will never laugh in his face.
 
6TimesaRed said:
Yet deaths outside hospitals, which are not recorded are likely to be on the increase such as care homes given 1 in 4 care homes particularly in london are running rife with the disease

So yeh don't believe everything you read...
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On the flip side of that, 99.99% of the population could currently be infected and the mortality rate could be microscopic, even including outside of hospital deaths.
 
Mors said:
On the flip side of that, 99.99% of the population could currently be infected and the mortality rate could be microscopic, even including outside of hospital deaths.
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I am grateful for people like your good self that will volunteer to be part of the first phase of the economic reopening. Your courage will not be forgotten by those of us who follow in the third and fourth phases.
 
Frogfish said:
Very very interesting interview with the Taiwanese vice President and their leading epidemiologist.

Do you believe the virus originated in a market?

They say that the virus originated from Huanan seafood market but if we look at the first 42 cases published in academic journals, around ten have no history of going there. This is a very important hint that the market may not be the origin of this infection. In early December, there were cases reported from Thailand, Hong Kong, and Japan – all patients who did not go to the market. There might be a cluster there but not all got the infection there. From an epidemiological viewpoint, once there is a patient or a cluster you have to find their contacts and then trace two things – infection sources and whether surrounding people have been infected. But they never paid attention to mild or asymptomatic cases.

Is there any indication of where the virus came from?

When we try to trace back to the [index] case it is very difficult. If the case had a mild disease you can never find it. And according to this so-called infection pyramid of Covid-19, there is only a small proportion of severe but a lot of mild and asymptomatic cases. So for Covid-19 it is much more difficult than for Sars to identify the index case.

What is the right exit strategy for the lockdowns?

Covid-19 is becoming flu-like. It means that since it is highly contagious with many mild or asymptomatic cases, and can be transmitted through droplets and contaminated areas, we won’t get rid of this virus totally. We need to develop rapid diagnostics and anti-virals then milder cases can be treated by private practitioners in the community. Severe cases can be treated in medical centres, also with rapid diagnosis and anti-virals. This will protect and cure the patient and protect close contacts from infection. In one or 1.5 years we may have the vaccine. Before that, we need to keep social distancing…living in a self-limited way but still semi-normally.

Full Interview here:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...ijTbukmbQi2tu3t0TAk8oqZL_e40GH4K-_rJJW2V0otnY
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There has been research that suggests this actually comes from industrial livestock, not wet markets. Poor Brendan might have to adapt his racist characterisations to fit the new reality. I'm sure he's up to the task.

https://www.grain.org/en/article/64...k-not-wet-markets-might-be-origin-of-covid-19

Let’s be clear: there is no solid evidence that the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which is the cause of the current Covid-19 disease pandemic, is an open seafood market in Wuhan that also trades in domestic and wild animals. All that we know is that several early cases of people diagnosed with Covid-19 either worked at this market or shopped there in the days preceding their diagnosis. Many media outlets and pundits have seized on this information to claim that Chinese wet markets and the live trade in domestic and wild animals are to blame for the emergence of the disease1. And some are even calling for a ban on wet markets— which are vital to the livelihoods and food security of millions of small farmers, traders and consumers2.

There is a growing body of evidence that points to a different origin story for Covid-19. We now know that none of the animals tested at the Wuhan seafood market tested positive and about a third of the initial set of reported cases in people in Wuhan from early December 2019 had no connection to the seafood market, including the first reported case 3 4 . And we also now know, thanks to the leak of an official Chinese report to the South China Morning Post that the actual first known case of Covid-19 in Hubei was detected in mid-November, weeks before the cluster of cases connected to the Wuhan seafood market were reported5.

Last week, scientists at the Scripps Research Institute published a genomic sequencing analysis of the SARS-CoV-2 virus in the journal Nature that raises more doubts about the possibility of SARS-CoV-2 having originated at the Wuhan seafood market6.

The scientists conclude that SARS-CoV-2 evolved from natural selection and not genetic engineering in a lab, and they say that this natural selection occurred through two possible scenarios. One is that it evolved into its highly pathogenic form within humans. In this case, a less pathogenic form of the virus would have jumped from an animal to a human host and then would have evolved into its current form through an “extended period” of “undetected human-to-human transmission”. Under this scenario, there is no reason to believe that the Wuhan seafood market had anything to do with the evolution of the disease, even if it is quite possible that an infected person at the market could have transmitted it to others.

The second scenario fits with previous coronavirus outbreaks, in which humans contracted deadly coronaviruses after direct exposure to civets, in the case of SARS, and to camels, in the case of MERS. In this scenario, SARS-CoV-2 would have evolved to its present form in an animal host before transfer to humans. Like many other scientists, the Scripps researchers think that it is most likely that the initial transmission would have occurred from bats to an intermediate animal host, where the virus then evolved to its current form.

The Scripps7 researchers go on to say that the particular genetics of SARS-CoV-2 indicate that “an animal host would probably have to have a high population density (to allow natural selection to proceed efficiently) and an ACE2-encoding gene that is similar to the human ortholog,” which is what the SARS-CoV-2 virus binds to in humans.

So which animals fit this criteria?

Another recently published study identifies the most likely intermediate animal hosts for SARS-CoV-2, based on their presence in Wuhan and their having a human-like ACE2 that enables the binding of SARS-CoV-2. These are the animals the study identified: civets, pigs, pangolins, cats, cows, buffalos, goats, sheep and pigeons8.

Many of the animals on this list are industrially farmed in China, even wild animals like civets and pangolins are intensively farmed for their use in Chinese medicines. Suspicions that wild animal farms may have been behind the Covid-19 outbreak have already led the Chinese government to shut down 20,000 wild animal farms across the country9.

But hardly any attention has been given to some other animals on this list, which more clearly meet the “high population density” criteria. Pigs would be one obvious candidate from this list, for several reasons.

For one, pigs and humans have very similar immune systems, making it easy for viruses to cross between the two species, as happened with the Nipah virus outbreak in Malaysia in 199810. Indeed, just three years before the Covid-19 outbreak began, tens of thousands of pigs in four factory farms in Qingyuan county in Guangdong, less than 100 km from the site where the SARS outbreak originated in 2003, died from an outbreak of a new, lethal coronavirus strain (SADS) that turned out to be 98 percent identical to a coronavirus found in horseshoe bats in a nearby cave11 . Luckily transmission to humans did not occur, but subsequent laboratory tests demonstrated that such transmission could have been possible12.

Hubei Province, where Wuhan is located, is one of the top five largest producers of pigs in China. Over the past decade, small pig farms in the province have been replaced by large factory farms and medium-sized contract operations, where hundreds or thousands of genetically-uniform pigs are confined in high density barns. These industrial farms are the ideal breeding grounds for the evolution of new pathogens13.

Hubei’s factory pig farms are still reeling from a massive outbreak of African swine fever that struck the province and other parts of China just over a year ago, wiping out up to half of the national herd14. In these conditions, it is entirely possible that an outbreak of a new coronavirus among pigs in the province could go unnoticed.

GRAIN and other organisations and scientists have been raising the alarm for over a decade now about how the industrialisation and corporate consolidation of meat production has generated increased risks for the emergence of global pandemics such as Covid-1915. But this reality has been completely ignored by governments and the big meat companies they are beholden to. As noted by evolutionary biologist Rob Wallace16, "Anyone who aims to understand why viruses are becoming more dangerous must investigate the industrial model of agriculture and, more specifically, livestock production. At present, few governments, and few scientists, are prepared to do so.” With the growing carnage from Covid-19, a radical change in direction is more urgent than ever.
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dantes said:
So then, are you now happy to grab your dinner and/or tea and/or supper from a wet market tonight? A yes or no will suffice.
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Yes. I’ve survived eating food from the Lemon & Lime on Dale street. If I survived that I can easily survive anything from a Chinese wet market/US lab.
 
momoWASboss said:
Yes. I’ve survived eating food from the Lemon & Lime on Dale street. If I survived that I can easily survive anything from a Chinese wet market/US lab.
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A ringing endorsement! Worthy of being printed off on a banner alongside other testimonials and hung above the wet market entrance.
 
6TimesaRed said:
Yet deaths outside hospitals, which are not recorded are likely to be on the increase such as care homes given 1 in 4 care homes particularly in london are running rife with the disease

So yeh don't believe everything you read...
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I am not sure if they are on the increase as such, but yes, they still aren't included within these figures. They are recorded by various different means, but just haven't been recorded as robustly or as quickly as hospital statistics.

As I said the other day, my understanding is that the daily reporting systems have been changed to get a more accurate view (they weren't accurate enough for a couple of reasons). Once this is in place over time we will be able to see whether they are increasing or whether they are following a similar pattern.
 
dantes said:
And what will that achieve? Big D is only lying to protect his image, he doesn't like to look stupid. It's a bit immature and doesn't work most of the time, but again who gives a fuck? You vote for Biden, or AOC, or Obama, they're not lying out of embarrassment, they're lying out of being pure evil scumbags that deserve death. Their lies are to take your dollars out of your pocket and and into theirs, their lies are designed to keep you down, they're designed to protect paedophiles.

Don't let the fake news fool you, Big D is the only leader on the planet with the interests of his citizens at heart. That's what matters to those americans that will never laugh in his face.
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Interesting... I never believed I would ever meet a Trump fan in here but let's go to it... i find it hard to believe nor understand how anyone cannot see what a mega cunt that man is but no worries... if you are anything like me we are clearly all locked up and bored enough...

Biden AOC Obama are liars who deserve death?

I'm not sure why you would say that but maybe you could tell me...

Have they ever ran a completely fake University and had to pay back 25 million in fraud damages to the students?
How many women have accused AOC of sexual harassment? As many as your beloved orange man? I know Biden has been too touchy-feely apparently but has he been accused of rape?
Maybe you an evangelical? So... you believe in the sacrament of marriage, do you? Sleeping with porn stars... perving on young girls at beauty pageants... that's all what Jesus would do, isn't it...
He is rich... of course he is... and he made his way up on his own like the "genius" he is... nothing to do with the hundreds of millions he inherited from his KKK father... yes it's just his taxes are slow.... he is under audit!! Nothing to do with his fraudulent declarations and tax avoidance... no no no... anyway he is a MAN OF THE PEOPLE... free health care for everyone!!
And he is not racist, not at all, it is just them Mexicans are all drug dealers and rapists trying to avoid their shithole countries... oh no... sorry that's just the Africans isn't it...

It's such a shame that this fucking Democrat hoax flu bullshit might take him down eh...

Obvious scum. Look with your eyes. I don't know about his prospective opponents you've listed there and politicians often are bad folk... but that piece of shit is simply beyond tolerable and the entire world can see it...

I've never wanted to piss on anybody's grave before.
 
dantes said:
And what will that achieve? Big D is only lying to protect his image, he doesn't like to look stupid. It's a bit immature and doesn't work most of the time, but again who gives a fuck? You vote for Biden, or AOC, or Obama, they're not lying out of embarrassment, they're lying out of being pure evil scumbags that deserve death. Their lies are to take your dollars out of your pocket and and into theirs, their lies are designed to keep you down, they're designed to protect paedophiles.

Don't let the fake news fool you, Big D is the only leader on the planet with the interests of his citizens at heart. That's what matters to those americans that will never laugh in his face.
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Haha. Apart from agreeing on Biden (I would be a major fan of Obama either) this is insane. Protecting paedophiles? Trump was friends with Epstein ffs.
 
What is the number for the same period for last year? If you’re going to state a number at least give it some context.
 
Where were they going? Did they return? What was the purpose of their trip?

If there was 48,000 last year it means a big drop. The figure didn’t give any context. Did they bring supplies back? Did they ferry scientists across the globe to help tackle the outbreak? Did they return uk citizens from other countries?
 
Molbystwin said:
Interesting... I never believed I would ever meet a Trump fan in here but let's go to it... i find it hard to believe nor understand how anyone cannot see what a mega cunt that man is but no worries... if you are anything like me we are clearly all locked up and bored enough...

Biden AOC Obama are liars who deserve death? Yes

I'm not sure why you would say that but maybe you could tell me... Because their policies are designed to appeal to the good nature and feels of the general public, knowing full well they will cripple the very people they stand there basking in the cheers of, it takes a real fucking despicable cunt to do that

Have they ever ran a completely fake University and had to pay back 25 million in fraud damages to the students? No, and I couldn't give a shit because this never affected me, means nothing to me, it's a civil case between Big D and the claimants, likewise had Big D been a philanthropist who cured cancer, it would also mean nothing to me, none of these things are in any way relevant to his policies in office
How many women have accused AOC of sexual harassment? As many as your beloved orange man? I know Biden has been too touchy-feely apparently but has he been accused of rape? As above, zero fucks
Maybe you an evangelical? So... you believe in the sacrament of marriage, do you? Sleeping with porn stars... perving on young girls at beauty pageants... that's all what Jesus would do, isn't it... Less than zero fucks, negative fucks given
He is rich... of course he is... and he made his way up on his own like the "genius" he is... nothing to do with the hundreds of millions he inherited from his KKK father... yes it's just his taxes are slow.... he is under audit!! Nothing to do with his fraudulent declarations and tax avoidance... no no no... anyway he is a MAN OF THE PEOPLE... free health care for everyone!! Him wanting to get away with paying as little to no tax as possible is a massive factor in me trusting his judgement about the economic health of the country
And he is not racist, not at all, it is just them Mexicans are all drug dealers and rapists trying to avoid their shithole countries... oh no... sorry that's just the Africans isn't it... zero fucks, he can head down to Georgia, berate them all with an n-word laden tirade, and I genuinely couldn't give a shit, it is more important that those people he has berated and racially abused have job opportunities to provide for themselves and their families, far more important than their feelings being hurt by words, take the UK, it's holier than thou PC attitude to stamping out racism, the amount of racial discrimination in the employment market is beyond a fucking joke here
It's such a shame that this fucking Democrat hoax flu bullshit might take him down eh... I hope you're wrong

Obvious scum. Look with your eyes. I don't know about his prospective opponents you've listed there and politicians often are bad folk... but that piece of shit is simply beyond tolerable and the entire world can see it... Again I don't need to tolerate him, he doesn't effect me, I'm not embarrassed by his continually bad performances on camera, what do I care for? The only thing that matters are his economic policies which are on point. Couldn't give a shit about the rest of the narrative and peoples personal feelings towards him. Things like social welfare, medical care, housing, things you presumably care about, they all only thrive when the economy does. Obama standing at the front of a podium saying nice things about medical care don't make it happen by magic. What makes it happen is us dollars. Trump understands that. End of.

I've never wanted to piss on anybody's grave before. You're missing out, there's a long list of people I hope come to their premature end with this virus, and I will literally go to their grave in the middle of the night and piss on it.
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Make America Great Again! And the rest of the world will follow. That's just how macroeconomics works.
 
momoWASboss said:
Where were they going? Did they return? What was the purpose of their trip?

If there was 48,000 last year it means a big drop. The figure didn’t give any context. Did they bring supplies back? Did they ferry scientists across the globe to help tackle the outbreak? Did they return uk citizens from other countries?
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Well, one of them had a group of men aged 50 something with a group of girls in their early 20s.

Must have been a bunch of professors with their best students.
 
You’d have to assume that the vast majority of private flights are legitimate. Bringing people home, people having to travel for work reasons, planes bringing in supplies etc.

No doubt there are some that are much less legitimate, but ultimately, who is really gonna want to be travelling anywhere anyway right now? You’re gonna be stuck inside wherever you go, aren’t you?
 
momoWASboss said:
Where were they going? Did they return? What was the purpose of their trip?

If there was 48,000 last year it means a big drop. The figure didn’t give any context. Did they bring supplies back? Did they ferry scientists across the globe to help tackle the outbreak? Did they return uk citizens from other countries?
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They didn't bring any PPE equipment to the UK.

They might have brought some more infected people to the UK though.
 
dantes said:
Make America Great Again! And the rest of the world will follow. That's just how macroeconomics works.
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Dantes... I am sorry we are in disagreement...

Not sorry because I feel as though I am wrong I am sorry because I know it truly must have been shit for you to care so little about the characteristics of your leader...

That Obama you clearly hate so much... yeah... he bailed your country out of the last recession and provided healthcare to millions of your compatriots who wouldn't have it if Trump got his way...

A great businessman? Dantes, he is great at failing and lying about it sadly people like yourself are willing enough despite unlimited evidence to like and admire him for that...

Has he drained the swamp? Is he a man of the people? You seem to think he is... Me... I can spot a liar when I see one as for macroeconomics massive tax cuts for the rich always trickle down eh... how bout you? feeling richer?
 
Molbystwin said:
Dantes... I am sorry we are in disagreement...

Not sorry because I feel as though I am wrong I am sorry because I know it truly must have been shit for you to care so little about the characteristics of your leader...

That Obama you clearly hate so much... yeah... he bailed your country out of the last recession and provided healthcare to millions of your compatriots who wouldn't have it if Trump got his way...

A great businessman? Dantes, he is great at failing and lying about it sadly people like yourself are willing enough despite unlimited evidence to like and admire him for that...

Has he drained the swamp? Is he a man of the people? You seem to think he is... Me... I can spot a liar when I see one as for macroeconomics massive tax cuts for the rich always trickle down eh... how bout you? feeling richer?
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I always assumed Dantes was from the U.K? But then I always assumed that the whole ‘Big D’ thing was some in-character joke too.

My fault I guess for always completely switching off after the first few sentences.
 
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