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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

So basically they cracked under the questioning of their failures at the briefing, pulled this shipment out of their arse to save face, then called up turkey the next day in a desperate attempt to make it happen. It's like something Larry David would do.
 
At least turkey is on their redial list now, that will come in handy when they need desperate advice on how to fight off a coup d'etat.
 
I'm waiting for Brendan to come in here and say that it's all bullshit and then blame it on the Chinese.
 
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Kentucky sees highest spike in coronavirus cases after protests against lockdown
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Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear (D) announced in a press conference Sunday that 273 new cases of COVID-19 had emerged, the highest Beshear has announced so far. This brings the current state case count to 2,960, per the Kentucky Department of Health. And 148 fatalities have been reported.

In response to this figure, Beshear determined that the state will not reopen economic sectors or relax restrictions until no new cases have been reported for 14 days, or two weeks, in accordance with White House guidelines.

“We’re still in the midst of the fight,” Beshear said.

This comes after protests surged in Frankfort last week against Beshear’s restrictions, disrupting an evening news conference. The Lexington Herald-Leader noted that about 100 Kentuckians joined the protest, arguing that businesses needed to reopen after more than 500,000 Kentuckians filed for unemployment in March.

Local outlets report that at least 13 percent, or roughly 385, of COVID-19 cases have been recorded in nursing home residents. Beshear also told reporters Sunday that 33 additional residents have tested positive for the virus, as well as eight nursing home staffers.

Beshear noted that the state will need to increase testing and obtain more personal protective equipment (PPE) even if case numbers decline.

This follows news that Pastor Jack Roberts of the Maryville Baptist Church in Louisville filed a lawsuit against Beshear, claiming that enforcing a stay-at-home order on Easter violates the constitutional right to religious freedom. The church argued for Kentucky to allow in-person Christian services provided social distancing and hygienic rules are observed.

Beshear’s office put out a press releasestating that anyone attending an in-person religious service during the coronavirus pandemic will be notified that it is a misdemeanor violation.

https://outline.com/mHrPYk
 
A drug championed by the US president as a possible cure for COVID-19 has been shown to provide no benefit and possibly a higher risk of death.

Hydroxychloroquine had been championed by Mr Trump after anecdotal reports that the drug, which is also used to treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, could help coronavirus patients.

However the new study found it might actually be harmful to those with the disease.
The American research analysed the records of 368 male patients with confirmed coronavirus.
They were all at veterans' hospitals in the US and died or were discharged by 11 April, according to a version of the study posted online.
What is hydroxychloroquine and why is Trump so keen on it?
Some 28% of 97 patients given hydroxychloroquine and standard care died, while 22% of the 113 patients who were given hydroxychloroquine and antibiotic azithromycin died.
But the death rate among the 158 patients who received only standard care - without hydroxychloroquine - was 11%.

The study, which took patients' individual characteristics into account, has not yet been accepted for publication in a medical journal but it has been submitted for expert review.
Hydroxychloroquine also appeared to have no effect on whether a patient needed breathing support: 13% of those who got the drug needed ventilation, versus 14% of those who received only supportive care.
Only 7% of those given the hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin needed help to breathe.

Dr Jeremy Falk, a pulmonary specialist at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, said the study was one of a few in the past few weeks to have placed doubt on whether hydroxychloroquine is beneficial. Dr Falk, who was not involved in the study, said: "We were using it on just about everybody early on. Now we are using it more sparingly."

There are no proven treatments for COVID-19, but hydroxychloroquine, an old malaria drug, has been getting a lot of attention thanks to Donald Trump promoting it as a "game changer". "What do you have to lose? Take it," he said earlier this month, adding that - while he has no medical or scientific training - his "common sense" qualified him to make such claims.

However, because of a lack of conclusive scientific studies, the US government's top infectious disease specialist, Dr Anthony Fauci, had urged caution.
 
That's not a finding, it's one data point. You need far more trials and samples and data points to build up a statistically significant picture, then you can make a finding. You go do a search, there will be plenty other studies done some place where the results were the opposite. Alas, the fake news picks out the study which suits them, plasters Big D's name all over it, and heads to the printing press.
 
That's not a finding, it's one data point. You need far more trials and samples and data points to build up a statistically significant picture, then you can make a finding. You go do a search, there will be plenty other studies done some place where the results were the opposite. Alas, the fake news picks out the study which suits them, plasters Big D's name all over it, and heads to the printing press.

Why don't you find the study where the results are the opposite?
 
That's not a finding, it's one data point. You need far more trials and samples and data points to build up a statistically significant picture, then you can make a finding. You go do a search, there will be plenty other studies done some place where the results were the opposite. Alas, the fake news picks out the study which suits them, plasters Big D's name all over it, and heads to the printing press.
You clearly saw the Big C mentioned and immediately leapt to his defence missing this (although no-one has claimed this to be the definitive research on the subject) :

Dr Jeremy Falk, a pulmonary specialist at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, said the study was one of a few in the past few weeks to have placed doubt on whether hydroxychloroquine is beneficial.
 
That's not a finding, it's one data point. You need far more trials and samples and data points to build up a statistically significant picture, then you can make a finding. You go do a search, there will be plenty other studies done some place where the results were the opposite. Alas, the fake news picks out the study which suits them, plasters Big D's name all over it, and heads to the printing press.
So why is the President backing a drug which isn't proven to work?

So you not think that's not dangerous, stupid, irresponsible and unbefitting of his position of power?
 
Haha happy to use Chinese data when it suits eh. And as for the French scientist ? Well it comes as no surprise you are using data from a quack as support. These links should help dispel the myth of his research.

From Science magazine :

Raoult’s positive studies have been widely criticized for their limitations and methodological issues. The first included only 42 patients, and Raoult chose who received the drug or a placebo, a no-no in clinical research; the International Society of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy has distanced itself from the paper, published in the society’s International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents. The second study, published as a preprint without peer review, didn’t have a control group at all.

I love the term used in the Science article : France is witnessing a form of “medical populism” that is “slowing the emergence of the truth.” That was then propagated in the USA by Trump. He's gone quiet now though hasn't he, and why would that be. What a joke he is.

Science magazine writes that "the popular faith" in hydroxychloroquine is only matched by the weakness of the data.

https://worldcrunch.com/coronavirus..._oPdb84yDyGbCT-JbgxbT0nTfllHFz2viqbMEChzo57vA


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/france-s-president-fueling-hype-over-unproven-coronavirus-treatment#
 
Haha happy to use Chinese data when it suits eh. And as for the French scientist ? Well it comes as no surprise you are using data from a quack as support. These links should help dispel the myth of his research.

From Science magazine :

Raoult’s positive studies have been widely criticized for their limitations and methodological issues. The first included only 42 patients, and Raoult chose who received the drug or a placebo, a no-no in clinical research; the International Society of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy has distanced itself from the paper, published in the society’s International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents. The second study, published as a preprint without peer review, didn’t have a control group at all.

I love the term used in the Science article : France is witnessing a form of “medical populism” that is “slowing the emergence of the truth.” That was then propagated in the USA by Trump. He's gone quiet now though hasn't he, and why would that be. What a joke he is.

Science magazine writes that "the popular faith" in hydroxychloroquine is only matched by the weakness of the data.

https://worldcrunch.com/coronavirus..._oPdb84yDyGbCT-JbgxbT0nTfllHFz2viqbMEChzo57vA


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/france-s-president-fueling-hype-over-unproven-coronavirus-treatment#

What the hell to do you take me for? ALL those studies are utter bullshit fake science statistical crap done by retard career scientists. The spotty people we have in our scouting department probably have a better grasp of statistics than clinical researchers. I merely typed the chemicals into google scholar and gave the first link, as requested to do so.
 
So why is the President backing a drug which isn't proven to work?

So you not think that's not dangerous, stupid, irresponsible and unbefitting of his position of power?

Because the president saw some of the bullshit research that was positive about the treatment, and used that to provide some hope to the people, because that's a better political image than for instance telling people to say goodbye to their grandparents and take it on the chin. The fake news latched on to the negative bullshit science, and used that to continue their agenda against Big D. Either way the science is bullshit. However, I have time for the former due to the good intentions behind it, and no time for the latter.
 
Wonder why a few big pharma companies went on about it too. Pretty fucking stupid to do that in their position
 
Yeah I don't understand how that works. I thought that because they're generics there wasn't much in it for them. But I don't know shit.
 
Yeah I don't understand how that works. I thought that because they're generics there wasn't much in it for them. But I don't know shit.

There isn't because the tablet is now cheap. But it's still a source of income. You will have spent a lot on getting approval for your version of it, the FDA still need to check you are making it to the correct standard. However, once you have that approval out of the way, to get approval for other ailments is much quicker and cheaper to do, so there is a big incentive to get your generic approved for as many different illnesses as possible and pump up the revenue streams. They used to bribe doctors to help them out, they still do, you go to any top hotel in the US and there is likely to be some "medical conference" going on where they grease palms. If they play their cards right, the volume of sales for generics can get as much if not more revenue than a far more expensive but niche patented drug.
 
Because the president saw some of the bullshit research that was positive about the treatment, and used that to provide some hope to the people, because that's a better political image than for instance telling people to say goodbye to their grandparents and take it on the chin. The fake news latched on to the negative bullshit science, and used that to continue their agenda against Big D. Either way the science is bullshit. However, I have time for the former due to the good intentions behind it, and no time for the latter.

Honestly... if Trump bent you over a table and fucked you up the ass with a barb wire covered baseball bat until you almost bled to death you’d spin it as an amazing new life-saving medical procedure that only someone as caring and forward thinking as Trump would even dare to carry out on a fellow human.

Actually you might pay him to Voltaire’s Angry Glove* you.

*Many years ago Woland - I think - mentioned this and I made the mistake of looking it up...
 
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