More chance of Boris getting a hero's welcome in Liverpool
Deflect, deflect, deflect
Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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More chance of Boris getting a hero's welcome in Liverpool
Deflect, deflect, deflect
I have foreseen this turn of events. The premier league will announce that they will complete the season behind closed doors, and give a date some weeks down the line. Between their announcement and that date there will be uprisings, and then there will be a military coup. It is inevitable.
Oh Christ, you are actually are being serious! Brilliant! And also....fucking terrifying.
Is there ever any situation where you take a deep breath and think "Fuck me, I'm actually talking all kinds of fucking shit, and contradicting every single thing I've ever said or thought about...well, everything?!"
Doesn't it make you think that maybe at least some of the other things they have published in the 235 FUCKING YEARS since its first edition, may actually have been true? Maybe one or two other stories might have been accurate, as transcribed by a well-trained, well-funded and truthful group of journalists?
Or is it just this, this ONE story, that finally agrees with you, that is the only correct and accurate news story ever published?
Hahahahahaha!
God, I love this shit!
God, I love this shit!
Very very interesting interview with the Taiwanese vice President and their leading epidemiologist.
Do you believe the virus originated in a market?
They say that the virus originated from Huanan seafood market but if we look at the first 42 cases published in academic journals, around ten have no history of going there. This is a very important hint that the market may not be the origin of this infection. In early December, there were cases reported from Thailand, Hong Kong, and Japan – all patients who did not go to the market. There might be a cluster there but not all got the infection there. From an epidemiological viewpoint, once there is a patient or a cluster you have to find their contacts and then trace two things – infection sources and whether surrounding people have been infected. But they never paid attention to mild or asymptomatic cases.
Is there any indication of where the virus came from?
When we try to trace back to the [index] case it is very difficult. If the case had a mild disease you can never find it. And according to this so-called infection pyramid of Covid-19, there is only a small proportion of severe but a lot of mild and asymptomatic cases. So for Covid-19 it is much more difficult than for Sars to identify the index case.
What is the right exit strategy for the lockdowns?
Covid-19 is becoming flu-like. It means that since it is highly contagious with many mild or asymptomatic cases, and can be transmitted through droplets and contaminated areas, we won’t get rid of this virus totally. We need to develop rapid diagnostics and anti-virals then milder cases can be treated by private practitioners in the community. Severe cases can be treated in medical centres, also with rapid diagnosis and anti-virals. This will protect and cure the patient and protect close contacts from infection. In one or 1.5 years we may have the vaccine. Before that, we need to keep social distancing…living in a self-limited way but still semi-normally.
Full Interview here:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...ijTbukmbQi2tu3t0TAk8oqZL_e40GH4K-_rJJW2V0otnY
Do you believe the virus originated in a market?
They say that the virus originated from Huanan seafood market but if we look at the first 42 cases published in academic journals, around ten have no history of going there. This is a very important hint that the market may not be the origin of this infection. In early December, there were cases reported from Thailand, Hong Kong, and Japan – all patients who did not go to the market. There might be a cluster there but not all got the infection there. From an epidemiological viewpoint, once there is a patient or a cluster you have to find their contacts and then trace two things – infection sources and whether surrounding people have been infected. But they never paid attention to mild or asymptomatic cases.
Is there any indication of where the virus came from?
When we try to trace back to the [index] case it is very difficult. If the case had a mild disease you can never find it. And according to this so-called infection pyramid of Covid-19, there is only a small proportion of severe but a lot of mild and asymptomatic cases. So for Covid-19 it is much more difficult than for Sars to identify the index case.
What is the right exit strategy for the lockdowns?
Covid-19 is becoming flu-like. It means that since it is highly contagious with many mild or asymptomatic cases, and can be transmitted through droplets and contaminated areas, we won’t get rid of this virus totally. We need to develop rapid diagnostics and anti-virals then milder cases can be treated by private practitioners in the community. Severe cases can be treated in medical centres, also with rapid diagnosis and anti-virals. This will protect and cure the patient and protect close contacts from infection. In one or 1.5 years we may have the vaccine. Before that, we need to keep social distancing…living in a self-limited way but still semi-normally.
Full Interview here:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...ijTbukmbQi2tu3t0TAk8oqZL_e40GH4K-_rJJW2V0otnY
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If it didn't originate in the vile wet market, then the implication they want you to take away is that it came from a laboratory. Then it would not have been a mistake, and Big D will rain down fire onto the CCP. As dollars and manufacturing flee out of china, where will they go? Taiwan? Philippines? India? They all stand to gain substantially. So it's not a surprise they're giving sly interviews to set the ball rolling.
The reality is it was a wet market, and china's destruction would then seem unfair, but then again they are communists so who cares. The fact you have promoted those interviews will cost you several social credits.
The reality is it was a wet market, and china's destruction would then seem unfair, but then again they are communists so who cares. The fact you have promoted those interviews will cost you several social credits.
Ireland and other European countries are at risk of multiple further waves of infection from Covid-19 until the population develops possible herd immunity, according to new research led by an Irish scientist.
Although the current outbreak of the disease is peaking about now, there could be at least three further outbreaks in Ireland after the current one ends, the research by a team at King’s College London suggests.
Less than 20 per cent of the population of Ireland and six other countries would have possible immunity after the first wave of the infection, meaning the rest of the population could be open to infection in further waves, it said.
In Ireland, at most 16.7 per cent of the population would be affected, compared with 19.6 per cent in the UK, the researchers estimated.
In the absence of a vaccine, this could mean at least three further waves of the virus before possible herd immunity would be acquired, according to lead author Dr Rosalyn Moran.
However, the number of subsequent waves could increase to nine under a different forecasting model used in the study that assumed fewer people were infected in the first wave due to more effective social distancing.
Herd immunity, the proportion of the population that needs to be immune to a disease to interrupt its transmission, is assumed at 60 per cent in the study.
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“The notion that the first wave of infection is close to its peak begs the question of whether future peaks or ‘second waves’ are likely,” according to Dr Moran. “We sought to determine the current size of susceptible population for seven European countries, to estimate immunity levels following this first wave.
“We compare these numbers to the total population sizes of these countries, in order to investigate the potential for future peaks.”
The issue of herd immunity has been the subject of intense debate however during the Covid-19 pandemic with WHO epidemiologists warning in recent days that there was no proof yet that having had a coronavirus infection will confer immunity for a significant period of time.
According to the study, a large proportion of the total population in each country will remain without immunity after the current wave of infection. “This suggests that in the absence of strong seasonal effects, new medications or more comprehensive contact tracing, a further set of epidemic waves in different geographic centres are likely. These findings may have implications for ‘exit strategies’ from any lockdown stage.”
First peak
Ireland’s current outbreak is predicted to peak next Wednesday under one model used in the study, and to have peaked on April 9th under another. The estimated number of daily cases varies between 392 and 720 under the two models, while the cumulative death toll is put at 1,008-1,250.
In the UK, the two models suggest about 50,000 deaths in a first wave of infection.
“Both models predicted that we are currently nearing or past the peak of daily case rates in all seven countries,” says Dr Moran.
“However, the estimates suggest that after this cycle, more than 80 per cent of each country’s total population in all countries studied remain susceptible. Therefore, we assume that future cycles will occur.”
The authors say there is a trade-off between the size of the susceptible population and the length of a cycle of infection, and they say it is possible specific populations within an outbreak area could reach potential herd immunity after the current cycle.
The research has not yet been peer reviewed and the authors acknowledge it was conducted “with haste” due to the current crisis.
In Ireland, modelling research conducted for the National Public Health Emergency Team has found the current outbreak is plateauing about now, but has also warned of possible future surges after the easing of restrictions if adherence to social distancing and other measures falls.
Although the current outbreak of the disease is peaking about now, there could be at least three further outbreaks in Ireland after the current one ends, the research by a team at King’s College London suggests.
Less than 20 per cent of the population of Ireland and six other countries would have possible immunity after the first wave of the infection, meaning the rest of the population could be open to infection in further waves, it said.
In Ireland, at most 16.7 per cent of the population would be affected, compared with 19.6 per cent in the UK, the researchers estimated.
In the absence of a vaccine, this could mean at least three further waves of the virus before possible herd immunity would be acquired, according to lead author Dr Rosalyn Moran.
However, the number of subsequent waves could increase to nine under a different forecasting model used in the study that assumed fewer people were infected in the first wave due to more effective social distancing.
Herd immunity, the proportion of the population that needs to be immune to a disease to interrupt its transmission, is assumed at 60 per cent in the study.
Have you lost someone to Covid-19? Share their story
“The notion that the first wave of infection is close to its peak begs the question of whether future peaks or ‘second waves’ are likely,” according to Dr Moran. “We sought to determine the current size of susceptible population for seven European countries, to estimate immunity levels following this first wave.
“We compare these numbers to the total population sizes of these countries, in order to investigate the potential for future peaks.”
The issue of herd immunity has been the subject of intense debate however during the Covid-19 pandemic with WHO epidemiologists warning in recent days that there was no proof yet that having had a coronavirus infection will confer immunity for a significant period of time.
According to the study, a large proportion of the total population in each country will remain without immunity after the current wave of infection. “This suggests that in the absence of strong seasonal effects, new medications or more comprehensive contact tracing, a further set of epidemic waves in different geographic centres are likely. These findings may have implications for ‘exit strategies’ from any lockdown stage.”
First peak
Ireland’s current outbreak is predicted to peak next Wednesday under one model used in the study, and to have peaked on April 9th under another. The estimated number of daily cases varies between 392 and 720 under the two models, while the cumulative death toll is put at 1,008-1,250.
In the UK, the two models suggest about 50,000 deaths in a first wave of infection.
“Both models predicted that we are currently nearing or past the peak of daily case rates in all seven countries,” says Dr Moran.
“However, the estimates suggest that after this cycle, more than 80 per cent of each country’s total population in all countries studied remain susceptible. Therefore, we assume that future cycles will occur.”
The authors say there is a trade-off between the size of the susceptible population and the length of a cycle of infection, and they say it is possible specific populations within an outbreak area could reach potential herd immunity after the current cycle.
The research has not yet been peer reviewed and the authors acknowledge it was conducted “with haste” due to the current crisis.
In Ireland, modelling research conducted for the National Public Health Emergency Team has found the current outbreak is plateauing about now, but has also warned of possible future surges after the easing of restrictions if adherence to social distancing and other measures falls.
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WHO had a press conference on Friday where one of the major points was that immunity is uncertain.
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/media-resources/press-briefings
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/media-resources/press-briefings
There were no bats for sale in the Wuhan market. The bats that carried the virus were 900 miles away.
They were being studied in a lab near the market though
It’s beginning to sound like you’re behind everything!!!
Bullshit. There you go. Wum.
Perhaps one of the technicians allowed himself to get bit, in the hopes of turning into a radioactive batman. Not that far fetched, a person working for a communist regime with zero freedom can succumb to all manner of desperate delusional beliefs. Not sure where pangolin man would fit in though.
I'm assuming I'm safe from scrutiny here in Austria. I'll wipe my surfing history & cookies before I return.
mind you to be fair....it aint difficult to find clips of Trump showing how fully retarded he is either...
I would argue Biden is just old not fullly retarded... Trump on the other hand.... it still baffles me how polite the Yanks are and why they don't directly just laugh in his face...
But at least Trump only relied on sexy kids from beauty pageants (who were probably asking for it)
Biden is all over every kid he sees.
Typical leftie snowflake, goes after personality and not looks.