Price, price, price!
Cheaper alternatives
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This might be coincidental, but quite a few black players and ex-players have had heart issues, some even died. God forbid this happen to any player let alone Kieta, but it's an observation
Confused by the circulation issue.
It may not be heart, but surely a narrowing of vessels (which is the only other option if it's not the heart?) is also a very bad thing?
Also, arrhythmia can have no symptoms and then POW syncope.
The circulation story just screams of bizarre vagueness
It may not be heart, but surely a narrowing of vessels (which is the only other option if it's not the heart?) is also a very bad thing?
Also, arrhythmia can have no symptoms and then POW syncope.
The circulation story just screams of bizarre vagueness
What?
I'm all for value driven signings but not if the lower price player is a lower ability player.
Do we want to be Southampton? Or champion?
We shouldn't get worked over in negotiations but we will should be pursuing our top choice players and, ideally, should have more than one of those determined in case negotiations don't work out. We get our value with our top choices when the selling team doesn't have us over a barrel.
Do we want to be Southampton? Or champion?
We shouldn't get worked over in negotiations but we will should be pursuing our top choice players and, ideally, should have more than one of those determined in case negotiations don't work out. We get our value with our top choices when the selling team doesn't have us over a barrel.
I agree we should walk away from both deals and look elsewhere. The market may have erupted but that only serves to make fools even more foolish. There will still be decent, reasonable deals to be had and we should find them. Salah was little more than Mane for instance. I would be extremely concerned if our scouts couldnt identify either a CM or CB who would improve his significantly for less than £60m. It's their job.
But you can't escape the market. Even the cheaper alternatives will be expensive and overpriced. £30m for some average Joe or £60m for the real deal?
I think he was killed when Voldemort attacked Hogwarts.
There's always a range of deals to be had. Lacazette is available for 44m and has proven a lot more than Kieta or VVD. You're just convincing yourself that spending £60m is the new normal. It isn't. Plenty of very good players will transfer for substantially less money and we should find them or find scouts who can. Finding value in the market was supposed to be a strength of Klopp. Although I haven't seen Kieta much I struggle to believe he represents good value at the price mentioned. I think people are getting carried away.
Any interest in Dembele at Celtic?
No, we have origi
Even the cheaper alternatives are expensive. Real cheaper alternatives are like these:
Shows that there are still young players out there of a lesser profile who are still available. They may come with a bit more risk, but as I've said before - the key is using the money wisely: 8m on Coutinho and 10m on Can is money correctly spent; 20m on Markovic is reckless.
Examples of youngsters we can be scouting and looking at:
-- Ellyes Skhiri, 22, CM, Montpellier. Tunisian international << now our midfield can send a rep to the ANC
-- Gideon Jung, 20, CM, Hamburg. German U21
-- Amine Harit, 19, AM/LM, Nantes, German U21 << already rumours of Schalke interest in him
-- Mauricio Lemos, 21, CB, Las Palmas << Everton interest
-- Benjamin Henrichs, 20, FB, Leverkusen << German U21 (with the German senior team at the Confederations Cup now)
-- Mikel Oyarzabal, 20, LW, Real Sociedad << Spain U21
-- (blah blah blah) or as Markelle Fultz would put it: (player), (age), (position), (club) << (national team representation) / (random club) interest
Shows that there are still young players out there of a lesser profile who are still available. They may come with a bit more risk, but as I've said before - the key is using the money wisely: 8m on Coutinho and 10m on Can is money correctly spent; 20m on Markovic is reckless.
Examples of youngsters we can be scouting and looking at:
-- Ellyes Skhiri, 22, CM, Montpellier. Tunisian international << now our midfield can send a rep to the ANC
-- Gideon Jung, 20, CM, Hamburg. German U21
-- Amine Harit, 19, AM/LM, Nantes, German U21 << already rumours of Schalke interest in him
-- Mauricio Lemos, 21, CB, Las Palmas << Everton interest
-- Benjamin Henrichs, 20, FB, Leverkusen << German U21 (with the German senior team at the Confederations Cup now)
-- Mikel Oyarzabal, 20, LW, Real Sociedad << Spain U21
-- (blah blah blah) or as Markelle Fultz would put it: (player), (age), (position), (club) << (national team representation) / (random club) interest
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Pointless. We want, and need to, challenge for the PL now. That means proven players not out and out gambles looking for the next Coutinho etc. That's what got us where we are.
The owners need to get rid of our current scouts and poach Monaco's scouts
Monaco, Southampton and Celtic's scouts.
And nick Zorc from Dortmund.
Klopp has already said he will have the final say on transfers, I doubt he would work witha DoF
True enough.
But without being a callous fucker, we will be insured (on the basis he passes his medical) if something catastrophic happens, and will only owe 18mths of base contract - so I don't see the stress.
Lucas Moura apparently available for £26m. Is it worth going for when you already have 2 RW?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfer-news-rumours-reds-10694068
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfer-news-rumours-reds-10694068
Exactly. Top level, no excuses.
This is before we even factor in the cost of replacing the 'cheaper alternatives' year on year or the inevitable drop in value when they don't perform. £20m for Markovic for example, was £20m for unrealised potential and we've spent a further £70m on players for the same position since he signed.
The only reason we have a chance of taking in close to what we paid for Markovic is thanks to market inflation, he's done nothing to increase his value in that time. Then wages yadda yadda.
Different positions, but the fee quoted for Keita/VvD is around the cost of Benteke + Carroll.
Prices do look a bit crazy from the fan side of the fence, but we need to take comfort in the fact that the club are only being asked for top dollar because they are enquiring about top level players.
Would you pay above market value for a car that's been at the mechanic for long time and has seen very little action on the road? Would you also pay for a car that ran out juice half way through the track and it seems there may be a dodgy valve?
The club has a finite budget to balance the squad, spending £70m on one player may mean we have to make compromises else where, which could leave us vulnerable and an unbalanced team.
The alternatives mentioned in this thread may not be as good as Kieta and VVD for their respective positions, but the lower fee's mean we can balance the team.
And forget about challenging for the PL.
Where to start!
Your car analogy... doesn't really work, the right mechanic would have it back on the road then it would look like better value. The other reason it doesn't work, is because we are not discussing spending my money, it's the club's!
But if we are talking about football players, then what we are talking about is £70m for someone who was performing as the top CB in the league before injury. Or to put it another way, £20m more than a John Stones was signed for last year, or double the cost of a David Luiz or Eric Bailly. Does VvD have some unknowns around his fitness? Yes, absolutely. Was a fit VvD performing way above the level of a Simon Kjaer? Yes, absolutely!! You take your chances. Do you honestly believe that Kjaer is better quality than Lovren or Matip? So you wanna drop £20m on another squad player??
How do you know what the club's budget is? The only thing we know is that the club 'has a budget'. We don't actually know how big or how small, despite what we read or may want to believe from newspaper reports. Fact is, we've been linked to Keita for a long time, we courted VvD seriously and we've signed Salah. What I'll take from that, is that we have the budget to accomodate at least those three players. Meanwhile, the papers are linking us (probably lazily) to Auba and Lacazette with no mention of it impacting on us being able to sign other targets.
'The alternatives mentioned in this thread may not be as good as Keita and VvD' - excellent point, well made. I agree, we should not sign those alternatives.
Final point, 'cheaper alternatives' used to be called something else; stop-gaps. No team has ever had sustainable success buying stop-gap players.
We've spent £40m (Salah and Solanke) already. So who do we get, VvD or Kieta? Either of those two would take our spending above £100m, and then we still need a LB, possibly a striker plus a CM or CB depending what you choose initially as your prime target. Do you really think the signing one of the two £70m target would make us contenders?
Nomad's list gives us balance at least
Tierney c.£20m
Gibson c.£25m
Goretzka c.£25m
Lacazette c.£45m
And the players his chosen are quality
Arsenal just got Juve's top scout I think.
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