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Carvalho - our next signing?
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I got the impression, and you’re the expert, that because his contract is expiring in the summer we can’t do a deal to sign him then.
Like - we could sign him now and loan him back, so he becomes our player - but if his contract expires as the transfer window opens there’s nothing for Fulham to sell to us. Had he been on a longer agreement that expired in a years time - we could have agreed to buy him in the summer.
What we can do is reach a compensation agreement with Fulham to avoid the tribunal - player can’t even sign a pre-contract, as the transfer is within the same association.
If personal terms were agreed and the player really wants to be a Liverpool player - then it’s a formality.
The only spanner is if he gets his head turned by a rival club - an overseas club could also snag him on a pre-contract.
I hope I'm wrong but I'm not holding much hopes of us landing him (with the exception of Klopp exercising his charm offensive).
- as mentioned, a foreign club can get him for peanuts (low compensation fee), thus enabling him to land a higher signing on fee
- he would preferably want to move to a club where he will be playing regularly (if he move to us, his best chance of regular football will perhaps be out on loan), esp. if we hold on to our front trio.
- he could well sign a contract extension with Fulham with a buy out clause and get to play regular top flight football next season
Apparently it was Tracey the office girl, the fax machine ran out of paper and she couldn’t find replacements, don’t be like Tracey.
Maybe the real carvalho signing is the friends we made along the way
Players can sign pre-contracts within the same association, but they can’t do that unless the two clubs agree a fee. So we can just come to an agreement and paper it all up, everyone signs, but the paperwork wouldn’t be filed with the FA until after the end of the season, meaning the player’s registration remains with Fulham.
The difference with a pre-contract outside the same association is that it can be done on a free-transfer basis.
I think this is correct. My analysis is based on the assumption that the player wants to come to us and work with Klopp so he’ll play along with signing up in the next few days and it all goes through in summer. The only difference to what was proposed yesterday was that he won’t get a pay bump to LFC level salary for the next six months. That can easily be sorted (wouldn’t even be surprised if his agent “sorted it out”, no questions asked like).
Yes, but only if we agree a fee with Fulham, otherwise it’s tapping up.
So it will all amount to the same thing if we were going to loan him back for the rest of the season anyway, won't it ?
How though? You can normally sign free agents up to 6 months prior to their contract ends can't you?
I mean, manners dictate we do it all through Fulham, but there's no longer an obligation is there?
A pre-contract is an agreement between a player and a club committing to transfer the player's registration once their contract at their current club has expired.
Under the famous 1995 Bosman ruling, players can agree pre-contracts up to six months before the expiry of their contracts.
Fifa regulations state: "A club intending to conclude a contract with a professional must inform the player’s current club in writing before entering into negotiations with him.
"A professional shall only be free to conclude a contract with another club if his contract with his present club has expired or is due to expire within six months.
"Any breach of this provision shall be subject to appropriate sanctions."
Can Premier League players agree pre-contracts with other Premier League clubs?
Premier League players can agree pre-contracts with any club in England, but only up to one month before the expiry of their current deals (effectively meaning pre-contracts can only be agreed at the end of a season).
This is because domestic transfers are regulated by each country's football associations rather than Fifa.
The FA restrict pre-contracts between English clubs as they are keen to avoid any conflicts of interests should a player play against his future club.
For this reason, the FA also bar players out on loan in England from playing against their parent clubs in domestic competition.
I think this still gets agreed. The few scenarios were it doesnt has been covered already. But a change of heart from the player or if one of the already interested clubs ups their wage package/sign on fee enough so that our offer thats on the table isnt good enough.
Other interested clubs outside England have had the chance to talk to his agent directly since the 1st of January, so they've had a month to present their offers and talk up their clubs/visions. Given that he agreed to the transfer yesterday you would imagine that he is now sold on us and Klopp.
If we can agree a fee with Fulham, which should probably be lower than the fee yesterday, then this will get sorted quite quickly.
Other interested clubs outside England have had the chance to talk to his agent directly since the 1st of January, so they've had a month to present their offers and talk up their clubs/visions. Given that he agreed to the transfer yesterday you would imagine that he is now sold on us and Klopp.
If we can agree a fee with Fulham, which should probably be lower than the fee yesterday, then this will get sorted quite quickly.
Pretty much, but if we'd signed him and loaned him back, we'd be paying his wages for the next six months, probably on a much better wedge than he's getting from Fulham, so like I said in a previous post, we'll need to find a way of making good on that (e.g. via a slightly better salary or a signing on fee when he does sign for us). But if all the parties are willing to do the deal, that's the only substantial difference.
Reds yoga pal has to join us.
I think I may need to defer to what @King Binny has posted up above here. I've seen pre-contracts done between English clubs before, but over short time periods and had just assumed that they could be done over a longer period (the key point being I wasn't thinking about managing the conflict if the two clubs are drawn to play each other). But to be honest, there's a good chance the two clubs will agree everything now, paper it up and not date it, before executing it at the end of the season (at which point the paperwork will be filed with the FA).
Yeah - the fact we loaned them Neco likely means there isn’t any bad blood between the clubs now and this was reasonably amicable after all - so again, unless the player wants to be a twat or we act like dicks - this should happen.
It does sound hopeful..it’s good to hear !
Polaroid surely
Haha Sony of course. * touch paper lit
Ah but GFX or XT?
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