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Fuck now I've got a stiffy.
Fuck a defender, we’re signing Moises fuck Caicedo.
I'm seeing this as £145m + (£110m + £35m + £20m add ons) to sign both him and Mac Allister - which sounds about right. 😉
I will never put my hopes in one player. Besides we want him to have legs for the season after - I am worried how Klopp might use him, and make him run. Hope he has legs by January.
Finally…hopefully this should shut the loons esp binomial up for a good while.
Thiago / Stefan Bajcetic are enough for the cup competitions.
Andre can come in then.
I'm shocked we're actually signing a close to world class DM.
Shocking fee for a DM, but it's the current market.
Sell Gomez, buy a LCB.
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I guess Moron doesn’t get to see Curtis as a DM every week now.
Fuck it - let’s sign Lavia as well.
John Henry will wake up tomorrow morning and spit coffee all over his blueberry muffins when he reads this.
I hope Big Jorg drops a note off to Boehly with “Should have sold us Colwill you cunts” scribbled on it.
Fuck it - let’s sign Lavia as well.
John Henry will wake up tomorrow morning and spit coffee all over his blueberry muffins when he reads this.
I hope Big Jorg drops a note off to Boehly with “Should have sold us Colwill you cunts” scribbled on it.
Dated 18 July 2023
Moises Caicedo: Brighton midfielder has gone from tearful teenager in Ecuador to Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd target
[article]In the wake of his country's World Cup exit last year, when other players were jetting off to high-end holiday resorts, Moises Caicedo was back in Santo Domingo, Ecuador, playing in a local tournament on the same dusty pitch he used as a boy.
In footage which went viral in the country, Caicedo, a rising star in the Premier League who had just become Ecuador's youngest scorer at a World Cup, can be seen finding the net again, only this time as a ringer for Caicedos FC, a team made up of extended family members.
His goal, slotted in at the near post in ramshackle surroundings, helped Caicedos FC win the tournament and was celebrated with a leap, a fist pump, and a gesture of recognition to the few hundred spectators sitting or leaning on fences around the pitch.
"This is Moises," Miguel Angel Ramirez, Caicedo's former coach at his boyhood club Independiente del Valle, tells Sky Sports with a smile. "Going back to his village, to his family, his friends, playing football, helping everyone there. He's doesn't forget his people."
In fact, Ramirez adds, supporting his "people" - Caicedo is the youngest of 10 siblings - has long been the midfielder's primary motivation. "It was his biggest target, to have a better house, a car for all of them, to give them a better life. If he was able to do that playing football, the thing he loved the most, even better."
It is safe to say Caicedo has succeeded.
At 19, he fulfilled his dream of earning a move to Europe when he completed a £4.5m switch from Independiente del Valle to Brighton. Now, only two years on, he is one of the Premier League's most coveted young players, with a value north of £70m.
Caicedo plays with the composure and maturity of someone far older but that child-like celebration in Santo Domingo betrayed the youthful innocence of a player still affectionately known in Ecuador as 'Niño Moi', or, in English, 'The Kid Moi'.
"I love him because he is a boy, a small boy," says Ramirez, who first coached Caicedo in Independiente del Valle's youth academy before taking over the senior side in 2019.
"He cried two or three times with me. At the beginning, when maybe I was aggressive with him in training, he was crying like a baby, but with his back turned, to not see him."
On other occasions, though, specifically when it came to seeing his family, some three hours' drive from his club's headquarters in the city of Sangolqui, Caicedo was unable to conceal his emotions.
"One day, in a period when he was injured, he requested permission to go home and celebrate his birthday," recalls Ramirez.
"I declined and said, 'Moises, you are injured. You have to recover and you have to get back as soon as possible. There are no off days for professional players. You have to understand that, now, you are not in the academy anymore. When you get out to a big club, you cannot request to your club, can I please have an off day to celebrate my birthday with my family? Because they will not give it to you!'
"After that," Ramirez adds, chuckling again, "he was crying like a baby in the gym, on the bike cycling."
Ramirez's firm stance in that instance was intended to serve as a lesson to Caicedo but, like that of Brighton's hierarchy when Arsenal and Chelsea were bidding for him in January, it stemmed primarily from his importance to the team.
Indeed, even as a teenager at that time, his talent was such that, in the middle of helping Independiente's U20s win the U20 Copa Libertadores in Paraguay in 2020, he was intermittently travelling back to Ecuador to turn out for Ramirez's senior side.
"He was very important for us in the first team, but he was also a key player for the U20s," says Ramirez. "So, for a week or 10 days, he was playing with the U20s, then flying back to Quito to play for us in the Ecuadorian league, then going back to the Libertadores. It was crazy."
Soon, Caicedo was shining in the senior Libertadores - South America's equivalent of the Champions League - and causing heads to turn against Brazilian giants Flamengo. "He made noise around the world," recalls Ramirez. "All the big clubs started to talk."
Part of his attraction to Brighton and, subsequently, Premier League rivals Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester United, was his ability to adapt to different roles. Caicedo came through Independiente del Valle's academy as a No 6. Under Ramirez, though, he played further forward, as a No 8.
"In the first team, we had at that time Cristian Pellerano, an unbelievable No 6, with a big, big understanding of the game," explains Ramirez. "He was a coach on the pitch, and he helped Moises a lot to understand the game and develop.
"But we still wanted to play with Pellerano as No 6, so, if we wanted Moises in the team, he had to play as a No 8."
Happily, it worked out perfectly.
"We realised at that time that Moises actually had a bigger impact in the game, and helped the team more, as a No 8, because he had the ability to score, the last pass, he was able to get into the box, and he was very aggressive in the first pressure," says Ramirez.
"So, he started to understand the position. It is more difficult because you have to play between lines, with less space, less time. You have to adapt your body shape before receiving the ball and have more information. With time, he started to gain these tools."
So much so, in fact, that Caicedo was soon telling Ramirez, who is now managing Sporting Gijon in Spain, that he preferred to play as a No 8 than a No 6. At Brighton, though, he has had to demonstrate the same versatility and adaptability.
Graham Potter used him, successfully, as a left-sided No 8 at the start of the season following a transitional first year which included a loan spell in Belgium with Beerschot. But Roberto De Zerbi, Potter's successor, dropped him back to the base of midfield, even deploying him, at times, as a makeshift right-back.
Caicedo excelled wherever required, starting 34 of Brighton's 38 Premier League games and playing a crucial role in the most successful season in the club's history, the statistics helping to underline the extent of his influence in and out of possession.
As a ball-winner, he is among the very best in the division.
Quick, combative and always alert to danger, Caicedo ranked second for both tackles and interceptions this season, behind only Joao Palhinha and Declan Rice respectively, while only Rice and Rodri won possession more times in the middle third.
That off-the-ball work helped shield Brighton's defence, while also allowing them to dominate opponents by winning back possession swiftly following opposition turnovers.
Caicedo was similarly important to their build-up.
In fact, only seven players anywhere in the Premier League had more touches than Caicedo this season while only five - Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg, Gabriel Magalhaes, Virgil van Dijk, Rodri and his Brighton team-mate Lewis Dunk - completed more passes.
That he finished the campaign with an accuracy rate of 89 per cent is even more impressive when you consider newly-available data which shows that only two players - Rodri and Newcastle's Bruno Guimaraes - made a higher total of pressured passes (780).
That ability to retain possession under pressure is just another of the qualities first honed in Ecuador and his huge price-tag, deemed inflated by some, is no surprise to those who know him best.
"Ultimately, it is the market that tell you how good you are, so when a club is offering a fee, it is because that is your level," says Ramirez. "And Moises is at this level. This is the reality."
That reality makes the human qualities demonstrated during his visit to Santo Domingo, where he also opened a football school, more commendable - even if, as Ramirez found out after declining his request to return home to celebrate his birthday back at Independiente del Valle, his devotion to his family has occasionally meant bending the rules.
"In time, when I was not his coach anymore, he said to me, 'Coach, I have to tell you that, in the night, I went home to celebrate with my family because I knew it was the last time I would be in Ecuador for my birthday before I went to Europe.'
"But, the next day he was there in the morning to work again. It was my intention to say he couldn't, but he did everything well to celebrate his birthday and then get back to work the next day.
"In the end, he is still just a boy who enjoys playing football. He is innocent and sometimes naïve to request or tell you something, but this is the thing I love most about him, that he is still like that."
From Ecuador to the Premier League, Moises Caicedo now counts Ramirez as just one of many admirers.
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Dated 28 Jan 2023
Moises Caicedo: Brighton midfielder has gone from tearful teenager in Ecuador to Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd target
[article]In the wake of his country's World Cup exit last year, when other players were jetting off to high-end holiday resorts, Moises Caicedo was back in Santo Domingo, Ecuador, playing in a local tournament on the same dusty pitch he used as a boy.
In footage which went viral in the country, Caicedo, a rising star in the Premier League who had just become Ecuador's youngest scorer at a World Cup, can be seen finding the net again, only this time as a ringer for Caicedos FC, a team made up of extended family members.
His goal, slotted in at the near post in ramshackle surroundings, helped Caicedos FC win the tournament and was celebrated with a leap, a fist pump, and a gesture of recognition to the few hundred spectators sitting or leaning on fences around the pitch.
"This is Moises," Miguel Angel Ramirez, Caicedo's former coach at his boyhood club Independiente del Valle, tells Sky Sports with a smile. "Going back to his village, to his family, his friends, playing football, helping everyone there. He's doesn't forget his people."
In fact, Ramirez adds, supporting his "people" - Caicedo is the youngest of 10 siblings - has long been the midfielder's primary motivation. "It was his biggest target, to have a better house, a car for all of them, to give them a better life. If he was able to do that playing football, the thing he loved the most, even better."
It is safe to say Caicedo has succeeded.
At 19, he fulfilled his dream of earning a move to Europe when he completed a £4.5m switch from Independiente del Valle to Brighton. Now, only two years on, he is one of the Premier League's most coveted young players, with a value north of £70m.
Caicedo plays with the composure and maturity of someone far older but that child-like celebration in Santo Domingo betrayed the youthful innocence of a player still affectionately known in Ecuador as 'Niño Moi', or, in English, 'The Kid Moi'.
"I love him because he is a boy, a small boy," says Ramirez, who first coached Caicedo in Independiente del Valle's youth academy before taking over the senior side in 2019.
"He cried two or three times with me. At the beginning, when maybe I was aggressive with him in training, he was crying like a baby, but with his back turned, to not see him."
On other occasions, though, specifically when it came to seeing his family, some three hours' drive from his club's headquarters in the city of Sangolqui, Caicedo was unable to conceal his emotions.
"One day, in a period when he was injured, he requested permission to go home and celebrate his birthday," recalls Ramirez.
"I declined and said, 'Moises, you are injured. You have to recover and you have to get back as soon as possible. There are no off days for professional players. You have to understand that, now, you are not in the academy anymore. When you get out to a big club, you cannot request to your club, can I please have an off day to celebrate my birthday with my family? Because they will not give it to you!'
"After that," Ramirez adds, chuckling again, "he was crying like a baby in the gym, on the bike cycling."
Ramirez's firm stance in that instance was intended to serve as a lesson to Caicedo but, like that of Brighton's hierarchy when Arsenal and Chelsea were bidding for him in January, it stemmed primarily from his importance to the team.
Indeed, even as a teenager at that time, his talent was such that, in the middle of helping Independiente's U20s win the U20 Copa Libertadores in Paraguay in 2020, he was intermittently travelling back to Ecuador to turn out for Ramirez's senior side.
"He was very important for us in the first team, but he was also a key player for the U20s," says Ramirez. "So, for a week or 10 days, he was playing with the U20s, then flying back to Quito to play for us in the Ecuadorian league, then going back to the Libertadores. It was crazy."
Soon, Caicedo was shining in the senior Libertadores - South America's equivalent of the Champions League - and causing heads to turn against Brazilian giants Flamengo. "He made noise around the world," recalls Ramirez. "All the big clubs started to talk."
Part of his attraction to Brighton and, subsequently, Premier League rivals Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester United, was his ability to adapt to different roles. Caicedo came through Independiente del Valle's academy as a No 6. Under Ramirez, though, he played further forward, as a No 8.
"In the first team, we had at that time Cristian Pellerano, an unbelievable No 6, with a big, big understanding of the game," explains Ramirez. "He was a coach on the pitch, and he helped Moises a lot to understand the game and develop.
"But we still wanted to play with Pellerano as No 6, so, if we wanted Moises in the team, he had to play as a No 8."
Happily, it worked out perfectly.
"We realised at that time that Moises actually had a bigger impact in the game, and helped the team more, as a No 8, because he had the ability to score, the last pass, he was able to get into the box, and he was very aggressive in the first pressure," says Ramirez.
"So, he started to understand the position. It is more difficult because you have to play between lines, with less space, less time. You have to adapt your body shape before receiving the ball and have more information. With time, he started to gain these tools."
So much so, in fact, that Caicedo was soon telling Ramirez, who is now managing Sporting Gijon in Spain, that he preferred to play as a No 8 than a No 6. At Brighton, though, he has had to demonstrate the same versatility and adaptability.
Graham Potter used him, successfully, as a left-sided No 8 at the start of the season following a transitional first year which included a loan spell in Belgium with Beerschot. But Roberto De Zerbi, Potter's successor, dropped him back to the base of midfield, even deploying him, at times, as a makeshift right-back.
Caicedo excelled wherever required, starting 34 of Brighton's 38 Premier League games and playing a crucial role in the most successful season in the club's history, the statistics helping to underline the extent of his influence in and out of possession.
As a ball-winner, he is among the very best in the division.
Quick, combative and always alert to danger, Caicedo ranked second for both tackles and interceptions this season, behind only Joao Palhinha and Declan Rice respectively, while only Rice and Rodri won possession more times in the middle third.
That off-the-ball work helped shield Brighton's defence, while also allowing them to dominate opponents by winning back possession swiftly following opposition turnovers.
Caicedo was similarly important to their build-up.
In fact, only seven players anywhere in the Premier League had more touches than Caicedo this season while only five - Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg, Gabriel Magalhaes, Virgil van Dijk, Rodri and his Brighton team-mate Lewis Dunk - completed more passes.
That he finished the campaign with an accuracy rate of 89 per cent is even more impressive when you consider newly-available data which shows that only two players - Rodri and Newcastle's Bruno Guimaraes - made a higher total of pressured passes (780).
That ability to retain possession under pressure is just another of the qualities first honed in Ecuador and his huge price-tag, deemed inflated by some, is no surprise to those who know him best.
"Ultimately, it is the market that tell you how good you are, so when a club is offering a fee, it is because that is your level," says Ramirez. "And Moises is at this level. This is the reality."
That reality makes the human qualities demonstrated during his visit to Santo Domingo, where he also opened a football school, more commendable - even if, as Ramirez found out after declining his request to return home to celebrate his birthday back at Independiente del Valle, his devotion to his family has occasionally meant bending the rules.
"In time, when I was not his coach anymore, he said to me, 'Coach, I have to tell you that, in the night, I went home to celebrate with my family because I knew it was the last time I would be in Ecuador for my birthday before I went to Europe.'
"But, the next day he was there in the morning to work again. It was my intention to say he couldn't, but he did everything well to celebrate his birthday and then get back to work the next day.
"In the end, he is still just a boy who enjoys playing football. He is innocent and sometimes naïve to request or tell you something, but this is the thing I love most about him, that he is still like that."
From Ecuador to the Premier League, Moises Caicedo now counts Ramirez as just one of many admirers.
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https://www.driblab.com/placer/placement-the-best-possible-destination-to-moises-caicedo/
Dated 28 Jan 2023
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More than likely because of wages and additional fees.
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This is how we should look at it. And with Southampton relegated and Brighton having the best scouting in the world, it doesn't hurt to keep them sweet for future opportunities.
Mitoma next summer?
It's quite strange how this all seems to panning out. We obviously had money earmarked for a high level midfielder last year already, hence the bid we made for Tchoumeni but he chose Real.
I feel that once we knew that our package couldn't match Real's for Jude, we rightfully walked away from him but we're making inquiries for Tchoumeni and Valverde (not both, just one). Once we got the final rebuff (which I think was sometime yesterday) we decided to go all in for Caicedo.
It also makes our deliberately slow pursuit of Latvia seem more clever now, in that we wouldn't be away from the negotiating table if other primary targets (Tchoumeni, Valverde, Caicedo) failed to materialise.
I feel that once we knew that our package couldn't match Real's for Jude, we rightfully walked away from him but we're making inquiries for Tchoumeni and Valverde (not both, just one). Once we got the final rebuff (which I think was sometime yesterday) we decided to go all in for Caicedo.
It also makes our deliberately slow pursuit of Latvia seem more clever now, in that we wouldn't be away from the negotiating table if other primary targets (Tchoumeni, Valverde, Caicedo) failed to materialise.
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