BYE BYE ROY!!!!!
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Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=43136.msg1232672#msg1232672 date=1292187487]
Yeah, if I would go into hibernation until the summer if I could.
I haven't been properly excited about a match day for over 2 years.
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really? i've never known highs and lows like spring 09, personally. walking out of a pub in paddington after that 4-4 vs arsenal, it honestly felt like my life had ended.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=43136.msg1232672#msg1232672 date=1292187487]
Yeah, if I would go into hibernation until the summer if I could.
I haven't been properly excited about a match day for over 2 years.
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really? i've never known highs and lows like spring 09, personally. walking out of a pub in paddington after that 4-4 vs arsenal, it honestly felt like my life had ended.
Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=43136.msg1232625#msg1232625 date=1292181293]
Apparently the majority of players don't want him to go and believe he should be given more time. Maybe this is one the reasons he hasn't been given the bullet.
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Carra getting a fucking whopping new contract the second Roy arrived would have helped that.
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=43136.msg1232625#msg1232625 date=1292181293]
Apparently the majority of players don't want him to go and believe he should be given more time. Maybe this is one the reasons he hasn't been given the bullet.
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Carra getting a fucking whopping new contract the second Roy arrived would have helped that.
Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
[quote author=mr_moo link=topic=43136.msg1232610#msg1232610 date=1292180171]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=43136.msg1232586#msg1232586 date=1292176780]
Or at halftime before he's even lost.
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Who gives a fuck. Just piss off if you don't like what you read.
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What a wonderful advert for the open debate you crave that is.
[quote author=mr_moo link=topic=43136.msg1232610#msg1232610 date=1292180171]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=43136.msg1232586#msg1232586 date=1292176780]
Or at halftime before he's even lost.
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Who gives a fuck. Just piss off if you don't like what you read.
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What a wonderful advert for the open debate you crave that is.
Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43136.msg1232868#msg1232868 date=1292241858]
[quote author=mr_moo link=topic=43136.msg1232610#msg1232610 date=1292180171]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=43136.msg1232586#msg1232586 date=1292176780]
Or at halftime before he's even lost.
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Who gives a fuck. Just piss off if you don't like what you read.
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What a wonderful advert for the open debate you crave that is.
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can't blame mr. moo for snapping when he is attacked for starting a thread.
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43136.msg1232868#msg1232868 date=1292241858]
[quote author=mr_moo link=topic=43136.msg1232610#msg1232610 date=1292180171]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=43136.msg1232586#msg1232586 date=1292176780]
Or at halftime before he's even lost.
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Who gives a fuck. Just piss off if you don't like what you read.
[/quote]
What a wonderful advert for the open debate you crave that is.
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can't blame mr. moo for snapping when he is attacked for starting a thread.
Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43136.msg1232872#msg1232872 date=1292242311]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43136.msg1232868#msg1232868 date=1292241858]
[quote author=mr_moo link=topic=43136.msg1232610#msg1232610 date=1292180171]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=43136.msg1232586#msg1232586 date=1292176780]
Or at halftime before he's even lost.
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Who gives a fuck. Just piss off if you don't like what you read.
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What a wonderful advert for the open debate you crave that is.
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can't blame mr. moo for snapping when he is attacked for starting a thread.
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Yes we can. He states he wants debate but then anyone who disagrees should "fuck off and not read it".
He's behaved immaturely so people have mirrored his actions. Its hardly surprising and when someone decides to have a pop at Sunny and tell him what to do, then you know what, that says it fucking all.
There's plenty of people here who want Roy gone, myself included, but this constant starting of new threads wishing all kinds on him at half time is cretinous.
I don't want this to be an OOT debate but I'd respectfully suggest that Moo is not from Liverpool and is not a regular attendee at the game. That doesn't negate his right to an opinion, but just means that some of the more sane people on here will perhaps lash out at him simply because of the way he puts his point across. There is an art to debating and saying the same thing time and time again, with your fingers stuck in your ears so you can't listen to anyone else is not debate in my book.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43136.msg1232872#msg1232872 date=1292242311]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43136.msg1232868#msg1232868 date=1292241858]
[quote author=mr_moo link=topic=43136.msg1232610#msg1232610 date=1292180171]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=43136.msg1232586#msg1232586 date=1292176780]
Or at halftime before he's even lost.
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Who gives a fuck. Just piss off if you don't like what you read.
[/quote]
What a wonderful advert for the open debate you crave that is.
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can't blame mr. moo for snapping when he is attacked for starting a thread.
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Yes we can. He states he wants debate but then anyone who disagrees should "fuck off and not read it".
He's behaved immaturely so people have mirrored his actions. Its hardly surprising and when someone decides to have a pop at Sunny and tell him what to do, then you know what, that says it fucking all.
There's plenty of people here who want Roy gone, myself included, but this constant starting of new threads wishing all kinds on him at half time is cretinous.
I don't want this to be an OOT debate but I'd respectfully suggest that Moo is not from Liverpool and is not a regular attendee at the game. That doesn't negate his right to an opinion, but just means that some of the more sane people on here will perhaps lash out at him simply because of the way he puts his point across. There is an art to debating and saying the same thing time and time again, with your fingers stuck in your ears so you can't listen to anyone else is not debate in my book.
Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
I dont care if it is down to poor finishing, bad luck, lack of Gerrard, lack of form on key players or if he is let down by anyone from the fans to John Henry or whatever the blame is. If you dont win away games, for any reason, you dont belong here. And the statistics dont lie. Roy Hodgson dont win away games. Period.
I dont care if it is down to poor finishing, bad luck, lack of Gerrard, lack of form on key players or if he is let down by anyone from the fans to John Henry or whatever the blame is. If you dont win away games, for any reason, you dont belong here. And the statistics dont lie. Roy Hodgson dont win away games. Period.
Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43136.msg1232876#msg1232876 date=1292243193]
I don't want this to be an OOT debate but I'd respectfully suggest that Moo is not from Liverpool and is not a regular attendee at the game. That doesn't negate his right to an opinion, but just means that some of the more sane people on here will perhaps lash out at him simply because of the way he puts his point across.
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What has that got to do with anything?
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43136.msg1232876#msg1232876 date=1292243193]
I don't want this to be an OOT debate but I'd respectfully suggest that Moo is not from Liverpool and is not a regular attendee at the game. That doesn't negate his right to an opinion, but just means that some of the more sane people on here will perhaps lash out at him simply because of the way he puts his point across.
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What has that got to do with anything?
Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43136.msg1232876#msg1232876 date=1292243193]
There is an art todebating managing and saying playing the same thing team time and time again, with your fingers stuck in your ears so you can't listen to anyone else is not debate management in my book.
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now you are in agreement
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43136.msg1232876#msg1232876 date=1292243193]
There is an art to
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now you are in agreement
Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
[quote author=keniget link=topic=43136.msg1232883#msg1232883 date=1292243935]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43136.msg1232876#msg1232876 date=1292243193]
I don't want this to be an OOT debate but I'd respectfully suggest that Moo is not from Liverpool and is not a regular attendee at the game. That doesn't negate his right to an opinion, but just means that some of the more sane people on here will perhaps lash out at him simply because of the way he puts his point across.
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What has that got to do with anything?
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Exactly what it says. Many of the Liverpool based, match going posters on here tend to have more balanced viewpoint on things that's all. When I'm listening to people's points of views, I attach more credence to certain people's points of views dependent on certain things.
A poor analogy, but if I'm needing legal advice, I'm more likely to listen to a legal person not a someone with no legal experience.
Moo just fits the stereotype I have in my head of the new modern Liverpool fan that I struggle to engage with. He probably has the reverse stereotype of me.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=43136.msg1232883#msg1232883 date=1292243935]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43136.msg1232876#msg1232876 date=1292243193]
I don't want this to be an OOT debate but I'd respectfully suggest that Moo is not from Liverpool and is not a regular attendee at the game. That doesn't negate his right to an opinion, but just means that some of the more sane people on here will perhaps lash out at him simply because of the way he puts his point across.
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What has that got to do with anything?
[/quote]
Exactly what it says. Many of the Liverpool based, match going posters on here tend to have more balanced viewpoint on things that's all. When I'm listening to people's points of views, I attach more credence to certain people's points of views dependent on certain things.
A poor analogy, but if I'm needing legal advice, I'm more likely to listen to a legal person not a someone with no legal experience.
Moo just fits the stereotype I have in my head of the new modern Liverpool fan that I struggle to engage with. He probably has the reverse stereotype of me.
Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=43136.msg1232886#msg1232886 date=1292244141]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43136.msg1232876#msg1232876 date=1292243193]
There is an art todebating managing and saying playing the same thing team time and time again, with your fingers stuck in your ears so you can't listen to anyone else is not debate management in my book.
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now you are in agreement
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I've already stated that I would like to Roy gone so I was already in agreement. My issue is the childish way he puts his point across and does not wish to listen to anyone else.
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=43136.msg1232886#msg1232886 date=1292244141]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43136.msg1232876#msg1232876 date=1292243193]
There is an art to
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now you are in agreement
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I've already stated that I would like to Roy gone so I was already in agreement. My issue is the childish way he puts his point across and does not wish to listen to anyone else.
Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
the analogy to legal advice is not accurate in this case. getting hodgson sacked is more like a politcal election. there is nothing to be gained by debating with the oppositon, the only thing on your mind is to win. so there is some sense in abusing hodgson as much as possible in order to turn the masses against him and force a victory.
the analogy to legal advice is not accurate in this case. getting hodgson sacked is more like a politcal election. there is nothing to be gained by debating with the oppositon, the only thing on your mind is to win. so there is some sense in abusing hodgson as much as possible in order to turn the masses against him and force a victory.
Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
I'd go one further than dantes*
What we need now is football terrorism, not debate
*first time for everything
I'd go one further than dantes*
What we need now is football terrorism, not debate
*first time for everything
Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
ok, i've refrained from sticking my oar in on this because it's basically none of my business, but i'm going to defend mr moo - here's the lowdown:
i actually know the bloke in real life - he's been going out with my sister for probably the best part of 10 years now. if my opinion's worth a straw, then i'm happy to vouch for him: he's a lovely chap, and imo very knowledgable about football, having played the game to a pretty high standard and gone to countless games over the years.
spion's correct that he's not from liverpool - we're both from near lancaster FWIW - but i'm sure he's been to as many games at anfield as most people on here. christ, i wish i'd been at the some of the matches he's seen; i know he was at the first 4-3 vs the geordies, and there are loads of others i'm jealous about.
so, he's not an idiot, and he's not some ignorant kid. having said that, i can appreciate why a lot of people have got that impression - clearly! i'm not really sure why he's chosen to be so unconstructive on here, but i think it's probably partly that he's not remotely interested in making online mates, so any criticism is just water off a duck's back and he's therefore happy to post exactly the criticism he wants, and partly a slight misjudgement in the tone of what he was trying to get across. i mean, he's made it clear enough that what he posts is designed to provoke, but somehow he's managed to royally piss people off in the process, so we're now at the point where people just see him as a pantomime villain.
i'm not saying anyone was particularly wrong to be offended by it, or if any of the name-calling has been over the top - i don't care tbh. all i'm saying is that he's basically a good bloke and maybe it's best if people just try to start again with him and give him a second chance. and when you read this, Rich, maybe you should tone things down in future as well!
ok, i've refrained from sticking my oar in on this because it's basically none of my business, but i'm going to defend mr moo - here's the lowdown:
i actually know the bloke in real life - he's been going out with my sister for probably the best part of 10 years now. if my opinion's worth a straw, then i'm happy to vouch for him: he's a lovely chap, and imo very knowledgable about football, having played the game to a pretty high standard and gone to countless games over the years.
spion's correct that he's not from liverpool - we're both from near lancaster FWIW - but i'm sure he's been to as many games at anfield as most people on here. christ, i wish i'd been at the some of the matches he's seen; i know he was at the first 4-3 vs the geordies, and there are loads of others i'm jealous about.
so, he's not an idiot, and he's not some ignorant kid. having said that, i can appreciate why a lot of people have got that impression - clearly! i'm not really sure why he's chosen to be so unconstructive on here, but i think it's probably partly that he's not remotely interested in making online mates, so any criticism is just water off a duck's back and he's therefore happy to post exactly the criticism he wants, and partly a slight misjudgement in the tone of what he was trying to get across. i mean, he's made it clear enough that what he posts is designed to provoke, but somehow he's managed to royally piss people off in the process, so we're now at the point where people just see him as a pantomime villain.
i'm not saying anyone was particularly wrong to be offended by it, or if any of the name-calling has been over the top - i don't care tbh. all i'm saying is that he's basically a good bloke and maybe it's best if people just try to start again with him and give him a second chance. and when you read this, Rich, maybe you should tone things down in future as well!
Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
He's been going out with your sister for 10 years and still hasn't married her?!
He's been going out with your sister for 10 years and still hasn't married her?!
Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43136.msg1232911#msg1232911 date=1292246214]
He's been going out with your sister for 10 years and still hasn't married her?!
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you haven't seen his sister 😉
JOKING peter!!! ;D
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43136.msg1232911#msg1232911 date=1292246214]
He's been going out with your sister for 10 years and still hasn't married her?!
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you haven't seen his sister 😉
JOKING peter!!! ;D
Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43136.msg1232911#msg1232911 date=1292246214]
He's been going out with your sister for 10 years and still hasn't married her?!
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disgraceful isn't it?! she's only 26, mind.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43136.msg1232911#msg1232911 date=1292246214]
He's been going out with your sister for 10 years and still hasn't married her?!
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disgraceful isn't it?! she's only 26, mind.
Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=43136.msg1232907#msg1232907 date=1292246084]
ok, i've refrained from sticking my oar in on this because it's basically none of my business, but i'm going to defend mr moo - here's the lowdown:
i actually know the bloke in real life - he's been going out with my sister for probably the best part of 10 years now. if my opinion's worth a straw, then i'm happy to vouch for him: he's a lovely chap, and imo very knowledgable about football, having played the game to a pretty high standard and gone to countless games over the years.
spion's correct that he's not from liverpool - we're both from near lancaster FWIW - but i'm sure he's been to as many games at anfield as most people on here. christ, i wish i'd been at the some of the matches he's seen; i know he was at the first 4-3 vs the geordies, and there are loads of others i'm jealous about.
so, he's not an idiot, and he's not some ignorant kid. having said that, i can appreciate why a lot of people have got that impression - clearly! i'm not really sure why he's chosen to be so unconstructive on here, but i think it's probably partly that he's not remotely interested in making online mates, so any criticism is just water off a duck's back and he's therefore happy to post exactly the criticism he wants, and partly a slight misjudgement in the tone of what he was trying to get across. i mean, he's made it clear enough that what he posts is designed to provoke, but somehow he's managed to royally piss people off in the process, so we're now at the point where people just see him as a pantomime villain.
i'm not saying anyone was particularly wrong to be offended by it, or if any of the name-calling has been over the top - i don't care tbh. all i'm saying is that he's basically a good bloke and maybe it's best if people just try to start again with him and give him a second chance. and when you read this, Rich, maybe you should tone things down in future as well!
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Sounds like a fair defence.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=43136.msg1232907#msg1232907 date=1292246084]
ok, i've refrained from sticking my oar in on this because it's basically none of my business, but i'm going to defend mr moo - here's the lowdown:
i actually know the bloke in real life - he's been going out with my sister for probably the best part of 10 years now. if my opinion's worth a straw, then i'm happy to vouch for him: he's a lovely chap, and imo very knowledgable about football, having played the game to a pretty high standard and gone to countless games over the years.
spion's correct that he's not from liverpool - we're both from near lancaster FWIW - but i'm sure he's been to as many games at anfield as most people on here. christ, i wish i'd been at the some of the matches he's seen; i know he was at the first 4-3 vs the geordies, and there are loads of others i'm jealous about.
so, he's not an idiot, and he's not some ignorant kid. having said that, i can appreciate why a lot of people have got that impression - clearly! i'm not really sure why he's chosen to be so unconstructive on here, but i think it's probably partly that he's not remotely interested in making online mates, so any criticism is just water off a duck's back and he's therefore happy to post exactly the criticism he wants, and partly a slight misjudgement in the tone of what he was trying to get across. i mean, he's made it clear enough that what he posts is designed to provoke, but somehow he's managed to royally piss people off in the process, so we're now at the point where people just see him as a pantomime villain.
i'm not saying anyone was particularly wrong to be offended by it, or if any of the name-calling has been over the top - i don't care tbh. all i'm saying is that he's basically a good bloke and maybe it's best if people just try to start again with him and give him a second chance. and when you read this, Rich, maybe you should tone things down in future as well!
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Sounds like a fair defence.
Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=43136.msg1232916#msg1232916 date=1292246441]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43136.msg1232911#msg1232911 date=1292246214]
He's been going out with your sister for 10 years and still hasn't married her?!
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disgraceful isn't it?! she's only 26, mind.
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Impressive though.
I was with my missus for 4 years before the battlaxe issued instructions for a civil marriage post haste.
That was my end. ;D
Anyway, I was no less insulting to Mr Moo, so my apologies.
He can carry on with however many Parts 3 or 10 he likes; it's not as if it'll make us any less shit 🙁
[size=6pt]Ps : Pete, you're not the one ignoring me,right?
Just checking.[/size]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=43136.msg1232916#msg1232916 date=1292246441]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43136.msg1232911#msg1232911 date=1292246214]
He's been going out with your sister for 10 years and still hasn't married her?!
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disgraceful isn't it?! she's only 26, mind.
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Impressive though.
I was with my missus for 4 years before the battlaxe issued instructions for a civil marriage post haste.
That was my end. ;D
Anyway, I was no less insulting to Mr Moo, so my apologies.
He can carry on with however many Parts 3 or 10 he likes; it's not as if it'll make us any less shit 🙁
[size=6pt]Ps : Pete, you're not the one ignoring me,right?
Just checking.[/size]
Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43136.msg1232891#msg1232891 date=1292244310]
Exactly what it says. Many of the Liverpool based, match going posters on here tend to have more balanced viewpoint on things that's all. When I'm listening to people's points of views, I attach more credence to certain people's points of views dependent on certain things.
A poor analogy, but if I'm needing legal advice, I'm more likely to listen to a legal person not a someone with no legal experience.
Moo just fits the stereotype I have in my head of the new modern Liverpool fan that I struggle to engage with. He probably has the reverse stereotype of me.
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There is nothing more obnoxious than someone bleating on about "the modern Liverpool fan".
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43136.msg1232891#msg1232891 date=1292244310]
Exactly what it says. Many of the Liverpool based, match going posters on here tend to have more balanced viewpoint on things that's all. When I'm listening to people's points of views, I attach more credence to certain people's points of views dependent on certain things.
A poor analogy, but if I'm needing legal advice, I'm more likely to listen to a legal person not a someone with no legal experience.
Moo just fits the stereotype I have in my head of the new modern Liverpool fan that I struggle to engage with. He probably has the reverse stereotype of me.
[/quote]
There is nothing more obnoxious than someone bleating on about "the modern Liverpool fan".
Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=43136.msg1232920#msg1232920 date=1292246873]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=43136.msg1232916#msg1232916 date=1292246441]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43136.msg1232911#msg1232911 date=1292246214]
He's been going out with your sister for 10 years and still hasn't married her?!
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disgraceful isn't it?! she's only 26, mind.
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Impressive though.
I was with my missus for 4 years before the battlaxe issued instructions for a civil marriage post haste.
That was my end. ;D
Anyway, I was no less insulting to Mr Moo, so my apologies.
He can carry on with however many Parts 3 or 10 he likes; it's not as if it'll make us any less shit 🙁
[size=6pt]Ps : Pete, you're not the one ignoring me,right?
Just checking.[/size]
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no, i'm not ignoring you, soft lad.
tbf to the happy couple, i doubt they've had time to think about marriage. one or the other have been away at university for, what, 7 of those years, and they're both starting out in tough careers. plus, she's not the least bit sentimental about weddings. none of my family are. we're too clever for that nonsense.
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=43136.msg1232920#msg1232920 date=1292246873]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=43136.msg1232916#msg1232916 date=1292246441]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43136.msg1232911#msg1232911 date=1292246214]
He's been going out with your sister for 10 years and still hasn't married her?!
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disgraceful isn't it?! she's only 26, mind.
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Impressive though.
I was with my missus for 4 years before the battlaxe issued instructions for a civil marriage post haste.
That was my end. ;D
Anyway, I was no less insulting to Mr Moo, so my apologies.
He can carry on with however many Parts 3 or 10 he likes; it's not as if it'll make us any less shit 🙁
[size=6pt]Ps : Pete, you're not the one ignoring me,right?
Just checking.[/size]
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no, i'm not ignoring you, soft lad.
tbf to the happy couple, i doubt they've had time to think about marriage. one or the other have been away at university for, what, 7 of those years, and they're both starting out in tough careers. plus, she's not the least bit sentimental about weddings. none of my family are. we're too clever for that nonsense.
Re: BYE BYE ROY (part 2) !!!!!
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=43136.msg1232942#msg1232942 date=1292248797]
Damn, I still havent a clue who it is.
7 years in university, jeez...what did they study?
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7 years in total. my sister graduated before he started. at least, i think she did. hang on, i started at liverpool in 2000, she's 2 years behind me and did a 4 year course (french & philosophy, so you have to take a year abroad) so graduated in 2006...now, did he finish in 08 or 09? i think it was 09. so 7 years in total with at least one of them in uni.
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=43136.msg1232942#msg1232942 date=1292248797]
Damn, I still havent a clue who it is.
7 years in university, jeez...what did they study?
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7 years in total. my sister graduated before he started. at least, i think she did. hang on, i started at liverpool in 2000, she's 2 years behind me and did a 4 year course (french & philosophy, so you have to take a year abroad) so graduated in 2006...now, did he finish in 08 or 09? i think it was 09. so 7 years in total with at least one of them in uni.
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