BYE BYE ROY!!!!!

[dirtyho]

I remember desperately searching for a bar to watch the Newcastle game around xmas when we spanked them, finding one 20 mins in, getting totally pissed with some ozzie football fans and seriously believing we would win the league after that game.

Call me naive...

 

[Whaddapie]

[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42120.msg1219586#msg1219586 date=1289946944]
Genuine answer - season before last when we came 2nd
[/quote]

Fair enough. Me too. And that run ended in May of 2009. That's 18 months ago.

 

[dirtyho]

Actually scratch that - it was the beginning of last season.
Last season and this have put a serious dampener on things for me re: LFC 🙁

 

[SaintGeorge67]

There was a newcastle game ona boxing day a few years ago if you mean that one... The first half was sensational. It's the first time my missus enjoyed watching a game. Possibly the last too.

 

[Whaddapie]

[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=42120.msg1219587#msg1219587 date=1289946976]
The inter game at anfield
[/quote]

And that was late in 2007/08..!

 

[Whaddapie]

That Newcastle game was the "Lucas" game, right..? 😉

 

[peterhague]

i honsetly don't think i've ever looked forward to seeing us play in the way whaddapie means. sure, i've looked forward to games more than i do at the moment, but i don't think i've ever consistently got excited just at the prospect of the entertainment on offer. mabe in torres's first season would be the closest - it was thrilling to watch an attacking player of that quality playing for us.

obviously there are performances i've enjoyed much more than others, but during the build-up all i can ever give a toss about is whether we're going to win or not, and that was the same for the football i hated under houllier as for the football i loved under evans.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

So we seem to have a reasonable consensus that the current squad, regardless of who the manager is stands very little chance of competing for fourth place?

Good

and good night


regards

 

[juniormember]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=42120.msg1219632#msg1219632 date=1289950879]
So we seem to have a reasonable consensus that the current squad, regardless of who the manager is stands very little chance of competing for fourth place?

Good

and good night


regards
[/quote]

I think had someone else been hired at the time our current manager was, he would, or could have done a lot better, particularly in a season when none of the top teams are doing great. Even with the worst start to a season in half a decade, we could have been in the top 4 right now had we turned the last two games into wins.
We HAVE to go into damage control, and if one or two players can be bought in January, I'd prefer a new manager to come in now to assess the squad. He'll do no worse with results while assessing and testing the squad up till January than our current useless, boring, utterly, utterly shit manager with a loser-mentality will do up till that point.

 

[Portly]

Yeah, we should have hired a wonderful wizard manager with a magic hat and a wand.

He would have sprinkled fairy dust on our ugly ducklings and changed them into swans.

And we would all have lived happily ever after. :🙂

 

[dirtyho]

Yeah, we should have hired a wonderful wizard manager with a magic hat and a wand.

Or maybe we shouldn't have hired a manager with a record of 13 away wins in 6 seasons of English fooball...

 

[singlerider]

We should have put Kenny in charge

 

[vantage]

[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42120.msg1219748#msg1219748 date=1289982644]

Yeah, we should have hired a wonderful wizard manager with a magic hat and a wand.

Or maybe we shouldn't have hired a manager with a record of 13 away wins in 6 seasons of English fooball...
[/quote]

+1

 

[TheBunnyman]

[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42120.msg1219568#msg1219568 date=1289946149]

This has been done to death... League positioning doesn't dictate the style used to get there. Defensive, bring football can win the league - Remember boring, boring Arsenal? We simply forgive the tactics that aren't aesthetically pleaseing when they're effective.

Our form from August to February of that season was diabolical and though early results against the likes of Middlesboro and City flattered to decieve, our ever-worsening performances and results from November until February ultimately cost us the league. We were very fortunate to be in first place to begin with, and once there, we played horrible, defensive, scared football. We played afraid, holding out for the draw rather than risk the loss to gain the win. See the Arsenal match at Higbury as a storyboard for the entire seaon. When Man U and Chelsea were falling over themselves to gift us the title, we contrived to piss it away, instead of grabbing it with both hands...

So, when you add that half of that season to all of last season and all of this season so far, that's utter shite that we've been playing for two of the past (almost) two and a half seasons.

I take your point about style of play, thats your opinion and your perfectly entitled to it.

However many would argue that Chelsea fans "simply forgive the tactics that aren't aesthetically pleaseing when they're effective." in the case of Mourinho.

My point is this is a league of 18 teams and:

2005/6 - 3rd
2006/7 - 3rd
2007/8 - 4th
2008/9 - 2nd

is not "shit".

It isn't winning the league which is what people want - but to call it "shit" in a league of 18 lacks perspective.

I understand that it's not good enough for him and put the "shit" label down to frustration




[/quote]

Um, there are 20 teams in the Premier League.

Not that it harms your argument, obviously. Just saying.

 

[Portly]

[quote author=singlerider link=topic=42120.msg1219750#msg1219750 date=1289982683]
We should have put Kenny in charge
[/quote]

I sometimes wonder if I would have liked Kenny to take charge, because he wouldn't have done any better than Hodgson, and quite possibly worse. By now he would be attracting the same venom as Hodgson is.

I think it would be a shame for Kenny's legendary status to be destroyed.

 

[manwithnoname]

I sometimes wonder if I would have liked Kenny to take charge, because he wouldn't have done any better than Hodgson, and quite possibly worse. By now he would be attracting the same venom as Hodgson is.

That is a load of fucking horse-shit.

 

[KopPoNok]

[quote author=Portly link=topic=42120.msg1219779#msg1219779 date=1289986630]
I sometimes wonder if I would have liked Kenny to take charge, because he wouldn't have done any better than Hodgson, and quite possibly worse. By now he would be attracting the same venom as Hodgson is.

I think it would be a shame for Kenny's legendary status to be destroyed.
[/quote]

I think most of us are just pissed off with old roy's loser mentality, we're not fulham.

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Portly link=topic=42120.msg1219779#msg1219779 date=1289986630]
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=42120.msg1219750#msg1219750 date=1289982683]
We should have put Kenny in charge
[/quote]

I sometimes wonder if I would have liked Kenny to take charge, because he wouldn't have done any better than Hodgson, and quite possibly worse. By now he would be attracting the same venom as Hodgson is.

I think it would be a shame for Kenny's legendary status to be destroyed.
[/quote]

Yes he would have, no he wouldn't be, and it wouldn't be. The whole club would have breathed a sigh of relief if he'd been appointed and he wouldn't play the crabbed, fearful, defensive football we invariably play under Roy away from home (and too often at home as well). Roy himself wouldn't have got this much acid flung at him if he'd let the players play, not least because they'd have done far better as a result.

 

[Portly]

I think it's delusional to kid yourself that our brilliant squad would be beating everybody 5-0 if it weren't for Hodgson and his tactics. If you saw the Stoke game, the reason we lost was that the players just weren't doing the business. Lazy balls all the time. Even Gerrard gave a goal away through a lazy pass. If the players can't or won't step up to the plate, it doesn't matter what the tactics are supposed to be.

 

[Judge Jules]

It would be if I or anyone else were kidding ourselves in that way, but with respect that's a caricature of the case you're trying to argue against. If even this rickety squad played to its potential we'd do a darn sight better overall than we've managed under Roy. Any group of players has to accept its share of the blame for underperformance, but Roy has manifestly failed in his responsibility to get them to step up to the plate in the first place.

 

[Halmeister]

Yeah, I can excuse shit performances from shit players, because, afterall they're shit.

What I can't accept is the manager of Liverpool Football Club being content with shit performances, and saying that one of our most abject performances in a local derby loss is a good performance.

Even shit players can cause teams problems if they have a go, as we've seen from Northampton and Blackpool etc, but when you have shit players and you're inviting pressure onto yourself you're going to get stung.

Roy doesn't seem to realise this. I think Kenny would have.

 

[Insignificance]

[quote author=Portly link=topic=42120.msg1219779#msg1219779 date=1289986630]
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=42120.msg1219750#msg1219750 date=1289982683]
We should have put Kenny in charge
[/quote]

I sometimes wonder if I would have liked Kenny to take charge, because he wouldn't have done any better than Hodgson, and quite possibly worse. By now he would be attracting the same venom as Hodgson is.

I think it would be a shame for Kenny's legendary status to be destroyed.
[/quote]

Just answer these few questions please:

Do you think that Kenny would go on about how respected he is around Europe (He dont have to mention neither Halmstad, Örebro or Viking Stavanger to prove what he is talking bout b.. Bt still)?

Do you think Kenny would talk about how little he expected us to win anyway and how tough it would have been to beat Everton?

Do you think King Kenny would have talked about how little impact the fans have anyway?

Do you believe your own words?

 

[zlatan18]

Bielsa the Chilean coach is available after tonight, i really think we should get him as we would go from a defensive team to the most attacking 🙂

 

[Holle]

I don't think that would be a good idea.

 

[dirtyho]

Um, there are 20 teams in the Premier League.

Doh! It's Europe that has 18 and wants us to change from 20 isn't it? Oh well, that learn me to post just before bedtime. Still doesn't alter my point as you say.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=Portly link=topic=42120.msg1219812#msg1219812 date=1289991077]
If you saw the Stoke game, the reason we lost was that the players just weren't doing the business. Lazy balls all the time. Even Gerrard gave a goal away through a lazy pass. If the players can't or won't step up to the plate, it doesn't matter what the tactics are supposed to be.
[/quote]

Portly, we were in possession of the ball 100 times more than Stoke on Saturday, and we gave it away less often than them.

Saturday's result had about 5% to do with the players mentality, and 95% to do with formation, tactics, and setup.

 

[Fabio]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42120.msg1220200#msg1220200 date=1290036317]
[quote author=Portly link=topic=42120.msg1219812#msg1219812 date=1289991077]
If you saw the Stoke game, the reason we lost was that the players just weren't doing the business. Lazy balls all the time. Even Gerrard gave a goal away through a lazy pass. If the players can't or won't step up to the plate, it doesn't matter what the tactics are supposed to be.
[/quote]

Portly, we were in possession of the ball 100 times more than Stoke on Saturday, and we gave it away less often than them.

Saturday's result had about 5% to do with the players mentality, and 95% to do with formation, tactics, and setup.
[/quote]

wasnt the stat at the end of the game that stoke had like 60% of possession?

 

[peterhague]

[quote author=Fabio link=topic=42120.msg1220222#msg1220222 date=1290037986]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42120.msg1220200#msg1220200 date=1290036317]
[quote author=Portly link=topic=42120.msg1219812#msg1219812 date=1289991077]
If you saw the Stoke game, the reason we lost was that the players just weren't doing the business. Lazy balls all the time. Even Gerrard gave a goal away through a lazy pass. If the players can't or won't step up to the plate, it doesn't matter what the tactics are supposed to be.
[/quote]

Portly, we were in possession of the ball 100 times more than Stoke on Saturday, and we gave it away less often than them.

Saturday's result had about 5% to do with the players mentality, and 95% to do with formation, tactics, and setup.
[/quote]

wasnt the stat at the end of the game that stoke had like 60% of possession?
[/quote]

yep, i think it was 63% or something like that.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42120.msg1220225#msg1220225 date=1290038068]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=42120.msg1220222#msg1220222 date=1290037986]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42120.msg1220200#msg1220200 date=1290036317]
[quote author=Portly link=topic=42120.msg1219812#msg1219812 date=1289991077]
If you saw the Stoke game, the reason we lost was that the players just weren't doing the business. Lazy balls all the time. Even Gerrard gave a goal away through a lazy pass. If the players can't or won't step up to the plate, it doesn't matter what the tactics are supposed to be.
[/quote]

Portly, we were in possession of the ball 100 times more than Stoke on Saturday, and we gave it away less often than them.

Saturday's result had about 5% to do with the players mentality, and 95% to do with formation, tactics, and setup.
[/quote]

wasnt the stat at the end of the game that stoke had like 60% of possession?
[/quote]

yep, i think it was 63% or something like that.
[/quote]

Liverpool passes: 306
Successful - 242
Unsuccessful - 64

Stoke passes: 203
Successful - 136
Unsuccessful - 66

Like I said: formation, tactics, and setup. We had enough of the ball, we were just badly set up, and using it in all the wrong areas.

 

[refugee]

Stoke City Team Statistics ............Liverpool
4 Shots on Target 3
5 Shots off Target 4
9 Blocked Shots 5
4 Corners 3
14 Fouls 11
1 Offsides 0
2 Yellow Cards 2
0 Red Cards 1
57.7 Passing Success 69.4
19 Tackles 13
78.9 Tackles Success 92.3
39.7 Possession 60.3
56.7 Territorial Advantage 43.3