[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42120.msg1220287#msg1220287 date=1290047374]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=42120.msg1220285#msg1220285 date=1290044928]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42120.msg1220277#msg1220277 date=1290043428]
[quote author=Portly link=topic=42120.msg1220275#msg1220275 date=1290043346]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42120.msg1220231#msg1220231 date=1290038556]
Liverpool passes: 306
Successful - 242
Unsuccessful - 64
Stoke passes: 203
Successful - 136
Unsuccessful - 66
Like I said: formation, tactics, and setup. We had enough of the ball, we were just badly set up, and using it in all the wrong areas.
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Stoke don't play a passing game. It's mostly Route 1 stuff which admittedly they do well. So in any match between Liverpool and Stoke, you would always expect Liverpool to record more passes even if we were playing badly.
I am also very sceptical about these statistics because they don't take into account the quality of the pass. Are these not the same statistics that show Lucas is the Premier League's top midfielder?
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No, they're actual statistics which rubbish your initial point, so I can see why you don't like them.
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They actually don't rubbish his point at all, Ryan (at least not without further research).
If Lucas and Konchesky knock it back and forth to each other 5 or 6 times, 30 yards from our goal, but then give it away, and a long ball and a goalmouth scramble later, we're 0-1 down, we've had 500% more passes than them, but their single pass was more effective.
Posession or number of passes made means nothing if you do nothing with it.
As you well know.
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Christ.
That's exactly what I'm saying. Portly's original point was that it was the players fault, and that we gave the ball away.
I've pointed out we had it more often, and gave it away less. Our problem was that we were playing in the wrong areas, and our setup was wrong.
I'm not really sure why I'm having to explain this again.
EDIT: Thanks KJ.
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[size=8pt] *re-reads Ryan's post*[/size]
Bugger.
[size=8pt] *weighs up options. Doesn't have any, without heading towards my own triple face-palm thread*[/size]
Erm... Yeah, ok. May have made a bit of a balls of that one. Apologies.
[size=8pt] *countdown starts in head - 5.... 4.... 3.... *[/size]