BYE BYE ROY!!!!!
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When everyone was bigging us up last year I said we would struggle for fourth for same for the same reason as this year, the squad is just not good enough, not good enough because we are over reliant on Torres, who is far from reliable, not good enough as there is Zero option to Torres, not good enough because there are too many average to poor players getting games regularly, not good enough as the squad is far far too thin, not good enough magnified this year as we have lost a world class midfielder and replaced him with Poulsen ......need I go on?
This is not about the managers, the best manager in the world can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Have you seen the squads of the teams that will be competing for fourth?
Seriously some of you need to stand back from this ludicrous stance that suggests the squad is better than it is , and that the reason what we are shit is all down to Roy - it's really not, he has not helped, the other teams may be erratic, but we are miles off the quality we need to get 4th.
This thread is like something off fucking RAWK .
regards
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Well, I think most of us can see the point you tried to make, except the manager. If he's not responsible, then who is?
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If you agree with Vlad, the strength of the squad is the work of his predecessor, surely? 'Cept for losing Aquaman, naturally...
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If the strength of the squad is the work of his predecessor, he should have rectify some of it before the transfer window closed. But instead of rectifying it, he made the matter worse. If he's not responsible for it, then I don't know who is.
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It's Roy's fault that the squad is this thin... Seriously?
Other than buying Poulsen and loaning out Aqualani (both BIG errors obviously), how is anything else his fault, in the few months he's been here? This squad took years to build...
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=42120.msg1219008#msg1219008 date=1289863399]
When everyone was bigging us up last year I said we would struggle for fourth for same for the same reason as this year, the squad is just not good enough, not good enough because we are over reliant on Torres, who is far from reliable, not good enough as there is Zero option to Torres, not good enough because there are too many average to poor players getting games regularly, not good enough as the squad is far far too thin, not good enough magnified this year as we have lost a world class midfielder and replaced him with Poulsen ......need I go on?
This is not about the managers, the best manager in the world can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Have you seen the squads of the teams that will be competing for fourth?
Seriously some of you need to stand back from this ludicrous stance that suggests the squad is better than it is , and that the reason what we are shit is all down to Roy - it's really not, he has not helped, the other teams may be erratic, but we are miles off the quality we need to get 4th.
This thread is like something off fucking RAWK .
regards
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Well, I think most of us can see the point you tried to make, except the manager. If he's not responsible, then who is?
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If you agree with Vlad, the strength of the squad is the work of his predecessor, surely? 'Cept for losing Aquaman, naturally...
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If the strength of the squad is the work of his predecessor, he should have rectify some of it before the transfer window closed. But instead of rectifying it, he made the matter worse. If he's not responsible for it, then I don't know who is.
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It's Roy's fault that the squad is this thin... Seriously?
Other than buying Poulsen and loaning out Aqualani (both BIG errors obviously), how is anything else his fault, in the few months he's been here? This squad took years to build...
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What a long lingering goodbye!
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Hanging around like a fart in a phonebox.
What a long lingering goodbye!
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Hanging around like a fart in a phonebox.
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So that would essentially mean we are unmanagable then?
I don't think that is true. I think its as simple as we did not improve the squad when we should have done, relying on the same old players, who were all the time growing older. We sacked a manager who was starting to take us backwards and to make matters worse replaced him with one who hasn't or can't reverse that.
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This is exactly my view on this whole scenario.
Thr black or white scenrio that peter, keni etc are arguing is a bit too simplistic.
Essentially what they say is this....
We sacked a manager because he wasn't good enough. But we got close to 4th place. So it follows that with a better manager the same squad is capable of finishing higher than fourth.
That does not account for the players in the squad aging. That does not account for us weakening that Squad further in the following summer. Most importantly there is an assumption that Benitez was not good enough = he couldn't get the best out of the squad. I think Benitez's biggest problem was that he started eating in to a squad that was reasonably strong in the later half of his career with us and it started showing in the results in the tail end of his career with us. Even a tactical genius will not be able to significantly better what Benitez achieved with that Squad.
Where it irritates me even more is this additional piece of logic they add..
If the Squad was indeed week then Roy is doing a brilliant job by being only 6 points behind 4th placed team. But as the same mob who say the Squad is week are also saying that Roy is shit, one of the two is likely to be untrue.
If they can guarantee that we will be only 6 points behind 4th placed team at the end of the season even with a good Winter transfer window....i'll bite their hand off right now, and get behind Roy.
So that would essentially mean we are unmanagable then?
I don't think that is true. I think its as simple as we did not improve the squad when we should have done, relying on the same old players, who were all the time growing older. We sacked a manager who was starting to take us backwards and to make matters worse replaced him with one who hasn't or can't reverse that.
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This is exactly my view on this whole scenario.
Thr black or white scenrio that peter, keni etc are arguing is a bit too simplistic.
Essentially what they say is this....
We sacked a manager because he wasn't good enough. But we got close to 4th place. So it follows that with a better manager the same squad is capable of finishing higher than fourth.
That does not account for the players in the squad aging. That does not account for us weakening that Squad further in the following summer. Most importantly there is an assumption that Benitez was not good enough = he couldn't get the best out of the squad. I think Benitez's biggest problem was that he started eating in to a squad that was reasonably strong in the later half of his career with us and it started showing in the results in the tail end of his career with us. Even a tactical genius will not be able to significantly better what Benitez achieved with that Squad.
Where it irritates me even more is this additional piece of logic they add..
If the Squad was indeed week then Roy is doing a brilliant job by being only 6 points behind 4th placed team. But as the same mob who say the Squad is week are also saying that Roy is shit, one of the two is likely to be untrue.
If they can guarantee that we will be only 6 points behind 4th placed team at the end of the season even with a good Winter transfer window....i'll bite their hand off right now, and get behind Roy.
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What a long lingering goodbye!
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Yeah - Wish he'd just go already.
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It is tiresome. I hate all the baiting and skinning of poor Roy by journalists and some angst ridden fans here.
Get it over already.
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What a long lingering goodbye!
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Yeah - Wish he'd just go already.
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It is tiresome. I hate all the baiting and skinning of poor Roy by journalists and some angst ridden fans here.
Get it over already.
Like Rafa likes to point out, 'Nine new players there, its nothing to do with me!'
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When everyone was bigging us up last year I said we would struggle for fourth for same for the same reason as this year, the squad is just not good enough, not good enough because we are over reliant on Torres, who is far from reliable, not good enough as there is Zero option to Torres, not good enough because there are too many average to poor players getting games regularly, not good enough as the squad is far far too thin, not good enough magnified this year as we have lost a world class midfielder and replaced him with Poulsen ......need I go on?
This is not about the managers, the best manager in the world can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Have you seen the squads of the teams that will be competing for fourth?
Seriously some of you need to stand back from this ludicrous stance that suggests the squad is better than it is , and that the reason what we are shit is all down to Roy - it's really not, he has not helped, the other teams may be erratic, but we are miles off the quality we need to get 4th.
This thread is like something off fucking RAWK .
regards
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Well, I think most of us can see the point you tried to make, except the manager. If he's not responsible, then who is?
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If you agree with Vlad, the strength of the squad is the work of his predecessor, surely? 'Cept for losing Aquaman, naturally...
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If the strength of the squad is the work of his predecessor, he should have rectify some of it before the transfer window closed. But instead of rectifying it, he made the matter worse. If he's not responsible for it, then I don't know who is.
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It's Roy's fault that the squad is this thin... Seriously?
Other than buying Poulsen and loaning out Aqualani (both BIG errors obviously), how is anything else his fault, in the few months he's been here? This squad took years to build...
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If you know the squad is thin, lack of width, and a striker who is hardly fit, yet you sold your only player who's capable of playing LM, bought a reserve keeper, loaned out an attacking midfielder, brought in another attacking midfielder and play him on the right wing, we're still fucked if Torres is limping.
We always accuse Rafa for complicating things when things should be simple and straightforward, but old roy is worse.
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When everyone was bigging us up last year I said we would struggle for fourth for same for the same reason as this year, the squad is just not good enough, not good enough because we are over reliant on Torres, who is far from reliable, not good enough as there is Zero option to Torres, not good enough because there are too many average to poor players getting games regularly, not good enough as the squad is far far too thin, not good enough magnified this year as we have lost a world class midfielder and replaced him with Poulsen ......need I go on?
This is not about the managers, the best manager in the world can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Have you seen the squads of the teams that will be competing for fourth?
Seriously some of you need to stand back from this ludicrous stance that suggests the squad is better than it is , and that the reason what we are shit is all down to Roy - it's really not, he has not helped, the other teams may be erratic, but we are miles off the quality we need to get 4th.
This thread is like something off fucking RAWK .
regards
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Well, I think most of us can see the point you tried to make, except the manager. If he's not responsible, then who is?
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If you agree with Vlad, the strength of the squad is the work of his predecessor, surely? 'Cept for losing Aquaman, naturally...
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If the strength of the squad is the work of his predecessor, he should have rectify some of it before the transfer window closed. But instead of rectifying it, he made the matter worse. If he's not responsible for it, then I don't know who is.
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It's Roy's fault that the squad is this thin... Seriously?
Other than buying Poulsen and loaning out Aqualani (both BIG errors obviously), how is anything else his fault, in the few months he's been here? This squad took years to build...
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If you know the squad is thin, lack of width, and a striker who is hardly fit, yet you sold your only player who's capable of playing LM, bought a reserve keeper, loaned out an attacking midfielder, brought in another attacking midfielder and play him on the right wing, we're still fucked if Torres is limping.
We always accuse Rafa for complicating things when things should be simple and straightforward, but old roy is worse.
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Like Rafa likes to point out, 'Nine new players there, its nothing to do with me!'
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Huh? Other than Konchesky and Ming, the team that lost to Stoke was Rafa's.
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Benitez also defended his six years at Anfield which ended last season.
"They've signed nine players," he said. "With 10 million pounds net spending, I left that squad with 300 million pounds value, 13 internationals," he said.
"So, instead of talking about flips and flops, he has to concentrate on his job and not talk about the level of his players or the new players."
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Like Rafa likes to point out, 'Nine new players there, its nothing to do with me!'
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Huh? Other than Konchesky and Ming, the team that lost to Stoke was Rafa's.
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Benitez also defended his six years at Anfield which ended last season.
"They've signed nine players," he said. "With 10 million pounds net spending, I left that squad with 300 million pounds value, 13 internationals," he said.
"So, instead of talking about flips and flops, he has to concentrate on his job and not talk about the level of his players or the new players."
You think it's fair that we expect Roy to solve ALL of those problems in 6 weeks..? Who should he have bought with all the money that he didn't have to spend?
In Cole and Ming, he brought in two exciting players. Now, that he's playing one out of position is another arguement... Losing Mascher wasn't his fault, and NO replacement would have been his equal in that role.
I'm not arguing that Roy's done well - He's made a terrible bollocks of much of what he's done. But you cannot blame him for the majority of the lack of depth in our squad... You just can't.
In Cole and Ming, he brought in two exciting players. Now, that he's playing one out of position is another arguement... Losing Mascher wasn't his fault, and NO replacement would have been his equal in that role.
I'm not arguing that Roy's done well - He's made a terrible bollocks of much of what he's done. But you cannot blame him for the majority of the lack of depth in our squad... You just can't.
I did not expect him to solve ALL the problems, but he could have rectify some, not make it worse.
Do we really need a new reserve keeper? Although Ming is a good player, but is he really our priority signing at that time? The squad is a mess, to top it all we have some bizarre tactics that bring out the worst of our squad.
By the way, crying over money is like Rafa all over again. He shouldn't have take the job if he knew there's no money to spend.
Do we really need a new reserve keeper? Although Ming is a good player, but is he really our priority signing at that time? The squad is a mess, to top it all we have some bizarre tactics that bring out the worst of our squad.
By the way, crying over money is like Rafa all over again. He shouldn't have take the job if he knew there's no money to spend.
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I did not expect him to solve ALL the problems, but he could have rectify some, not make it worse.
Do we really need a new reserve keeper? Although Ming is a good player, but is he really our priority signing at that time? The squad is a mess, to top it all we have some bizarre tactics that bring out the worst of our squad.
By the way, crying over money is like Rafa all over again. He shouldn't have take the job if he knew there's no money to spend.
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And he did. At least he tried to...
LB out, LB in. Both shite - We're just as poor there as we were last season.
DM out, DM in. World class player out, shitebag in - Though we didn't expect the gulf in class to be THIS bad, you simply can't replace Mascher with a better DM. There are none out there.
AM out, AM in. Both injury prone and inconsistent. Pretty much the same as last season.
He tried to fix the primary leaks... It hasn't worked, so far. There are too many to realistically solve in three or four transfer windows, for goodness sake.
Again, I'm not defending his overall performance. Just this particular topic of the squad.
Oh, and per your final sentence, if you acknowledge that there's little or no money for him to spend, how did you expect him to strengthen a squad that has lost CMs the caliber of Xabi and Mascher in the past calendar year?
I did not expect him to solve ALL the problems, but he could have rectify some, not make it worse.
Do we really need a new reserve keeper? Although Ming is a good player, but is he really our priority signing at that time? The squad is a mess, to top it all we have some bizarre tactics that bring out the worst of our squad.
By the way, crying over money is like Rafa all over again. He shouldn't have take the job if he knew there's no money to spend.
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And he did. At least he tried to...
LB out, LB in. Both shite - We're just as poor there as we were last season.
DM out, DM in. World class player out, shitebag in - Though we didn't expect the gulf in class to be THIS bad, you simply can't replace Mascher with a better DM. There are none out there.
AM out, AM in. Both injury prone and inconsistent. Pretty much the same as last season.
He tried to fix the primary leaks... It hasn't worked, so far. There are too many to realistically solve in three or four transfer windows, for goodness sake.
Again, I'm not defending his overall performance. Just this particular topic of the squad.
Oh, and per your final sentence, if you acknowledge that there's little or no money for him to spend, how did you expect him to strengthen a squad that has lost CMs the caliber of Xabi and Mascher in the past calendar year?
Thats exactly how I see Ming, good player, but not really what we needed. The squad is a shambles.
Sign Cole who wants to play in Gerrards position?
Let a 20 million pound talented CM go for nothing and pay them 4.5 million for a dog?
Replace Insua with a 30 year old player who has proved for an entire career he is not good enough for a top side?
Try to sign Carlton Cole to solve our striker problems?
The squad was bad. He made it worse.
Some people cant see the shit for the shite.
Sign Cole who wants to play in Gerrards position?
Let a 20 million pound talented CM go for nothing and pay them 4.5 million for a dog?
Replace Insua with a 30 year old player who has proved for an entire career he is not good enough for a top side?
Try to sign Carlton Cole to solve our striker problems?
The squad was bad. He made it worse.
Some people cant see the shit for the shite.
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Thats exactly how I see Ming, good player, but not really what we needed. The squad is a shambles.
Sign Cole who wants to play in Gerrards position?
Let a 20 million pound talented CM go for nothing and pay them 4.5 million for a dog?
Replace Insua with a 30 year old player who has proved for an entire career he is not good enough for a top side?
Try to sign Carlton Cole to solve our striker problems?
The squad was bad. He made it worse.
Some people cant see the shit for the shite.
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So, who's fault is it that the squad was bad?
Insua was an unbelievably bad player last season... One of the worst I've ever seen in Red. He didn't "let" Mascher go... His hand was forced. Cole was the most covetted free-agent player out there this summer. Cole would have been a back-up striker.
Honestly, lads... There more than enough to blame on Roy without making every single thing his fault.
Thats exactly how I see Ming, good player, but not really what we needed. The squad is a shambles.
Sign Cole who wants to play in Gerrards position?
Let a 20 million pound talented CM go for nothing and pay them 4.5 million for a dog?
Replace Insua with a 30 year old player who has proved for an entire career he is not good enough for a top side?
Try to sign Carlton Cole to solve our striker problems?
The squad was bad. He made it worse.
Some people cant see the shit for the shite.
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So, who's fault is it that the squad was bad?
Insua was an unbelievably bad player last season... One of the worst I've ever seen in Red. He didn't "let" Mascher go... His hand was forced. Cole was the most covetted free-agent player out there this summer. Cole would have been a back-up striker.
Honestly, lads... There more than enough to blame on Roy without making every single thing his fault.
Would you have taken the job with zero money to spend, yet with high expectation? I won't, and I think it's bullshit that he has no money to spend.
This is what I said about Brad back in August:
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We should have go for Jamo if we wanted a home-grown backup keeper.
Not spending money on a no-hoper, sometimes the difference of 2 to 2.5M can be crucial, just like the daniel alves deal.
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We sold Riere, signed Cole (suppose that he's our new LM) then play him behind the striker, signed Jovanovic (not his fault) then played him in LM, loaned out Aquilani and replaced him with Ming, then played Ming at RM.
I don't think he knows what is he doing, therefore I think he deserved all the criticism (or abuse) he received.
This is what I said about Brad back in August:
[quote author=KopPoNok link=topic=41273.msg1153332#msg1153332 date=1281686491]
We should have go for Jamo if we wanted a home-grown backup keeper.
Not spending money on a no-hoper, sometimes the difference of 2 to 2.5M can be crucial, just like the daniel alves deal.
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We sold Riere, signed Cole (suppose that he's our new LM) then play him behind the striker, signed Jovanovic (not his fault) then played him in LM, loaned out Aquilani and replaced him with Ming, then played Ming at RM.
I don't think he knows what is he doing, therefore I think he deserved all the criticism (or abuse) he received.
Not blaming everything on Roy, and Rafas 'Nine new players' defence is frankly laughable. It is basically still his side he just didnt want it to be seen as his side when they were in the relegation zone.
But you can only look to the future now.
My main concern is that Roy has signed bad players, has targeted bad players and the two good players he did manage to sign dont really fit into the team.
My other concern is we are playing a shite brand of football, thats the managers stamp.
But you can only look to the future now.
My main concern is that Roy has signed bad players, has targeted bad players and the two good players he did manage to sign dont really fit into the team.
My other concern is we are playing a shite brand of football, thats the managers stamp.
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Not blaming everything on Roy, and Rafas 'Nine new players' defence is frankly laughable. It is basically still his side he just didnt want it to be seen as his side when they were in the relegation zone.
But you can only look to the future now.
My main concern is that Roy has signed bad players, has targeted bad players and the two good players he did manage to sign dont really fit into the team.
My other concern is we are playing a shite brand of football, thats the managers stamp.
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Agreed.
Not blaming everything on Roy, and Rafas 'Nine new players' defence is frankly laughable. It is basically still his side he just didnt want it to be seen as his side when they were in the relegation zone.
But you can only look to the future now.
My main concern is that Roy has signed bad players, has targeted bad players and the two good players he did manage to sign dont really fit into the team.
My other concern is we are playing a shite brand of football, thats the managers stamp.
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Agreed.
Just a shame Liverpool are so shambolic because this season non of the bigger teams look at their strongest so there might even be a shock premiership winner this year.
United are a shadow of former sides and Chelsea are aging so they will slow down.
That’s an awful Chelsea team on the weekend though, Ivanovic and Ferrerra at centre halfs and Rimeres and Mikel in midfield.
I think as soon as they loose Essien they look weak and if its not for Drogba scoring they don’t really look like they’ve got a goal in them.
Shame we signed such bad players in the summer, Konchesky, Poulsen, Jovanovic have actually made us worse.
Got a good feeling about these new owners though. Really hope they sign some good young talent. Someone like Mata, Eden Hazard, Ever Banega.
1st thing I would do is sell off the Kirkby Academy. Turn it into a gym or whatever, and get the youngsters around the pros. Gotta help if you can watch Torres and Gerrard training when you are developing.
United are a shadow of former sides and Chelsea are aging so they will slow down.
That’s an awful Chelsea team on the weekend though, Ivanovic and Ferrerra at centre halfs and Rimeres and Mikel in midfield.
I think as soon as they loose Essien they look weak and if its not for Drogba scoring they don’t really look like they’ve got a goal in them.
Shame we signed such bad players in the summer, Konchesky, Poulsen, Jovanovic have actually made us worse.
Got a good feeling about these new owners though. Really hope they sign some good young talent. Someone like Mata, Eden Hazard, Ever Banega.
1st thing I would do is sell off the Kirkby Academy. Turn it into a gym or whatever, and get the youngsters around the pros. Gotta help if you can watch Torres and Gerrard training when you are developing.
Can't be arse to start a new thread about Rafa and I don't know if anyone's posted this already, But I had a sense of deja vu when I read this.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=842677&sec=europe&cc=3436
For all the reminiscing about Rafa's tenure from certain quarters, there were plenty of times we played exactly like Moratti described. We need a new thread entitled "Meet the new boss, just like the old boss" or something similar.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=842677&sec=europe&cc=3436
For all the reminiscing about Rafa's tenure from certain quarters, there were plenty of times we played exactly like Moratti described. We need a new thread entitled "Meet the new boss, just like the old boss" or something similar.
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I think our squad in overestimated in terms of ability. Mascherano was holding us together in the middle last season. We're fucking shite without him.
We've been left with a relatively poor and disjointed squad, with little creativity, pace or goal threat.
The new guy was supposed to be somebody that could get average players performing above the level of expectation.
He hasn't, ergo we're shit.
It's really not that complicated
The new guy was supposed to be somebody that could get average players performing above the level of expectation.
He hasn't, ergo we're shit.
It's really not that complicated
I don't know anything about Inter's injury problems or squad health this season, but how the fuck do you go from treble winners to this:
"It is obvious that in January we will need something, but for now we need to get a win," Benitez said. "Who could arrive in the next transfer window? All the players expect someone of quality to maintain the level of the side, a side that in the past season won a lot and therefore got tired and has struggled to start again.''
If you have a negative, shite manager, that's how.
"It is obvious that in January we will need something, but for now we need to get a win," Benitez said. "Who could arrive in the next transfer window? All the players expect someone of quality to maintain the level of the side, a side that in the past season won a lot and therefore got tired and has struggled to start again.''
If you have a negative, shite manager, that's how.
Haha, that's one of the more bizarre excuses I've ever heard.
It can be used anywhere too.
Judge: What do you have to say for yourself, having committed this heinous murder?
Defendant: well, you know, I was very tired from not killing people...
It can be used anywhere too.
Judge: What do you have to say for yourself, having committed this heinous murder?
Defendant: well, you know, I was very tired from not killing people...
Haha , poor the Inter, they have it all to come, everyone else's fault , excuses, the next thing will be a Machiavellian war of attrition waged in the media against the President.......Oh wait no, Moratti will just sack him.
Still we have our own problems
regards
Still we have our own problems
regards
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Haha , poor the Inter, they have it all to come, everyone else's fault , excuses, the next thing will be a Machiavellian war of attrition waged in the media against the President.......Oh wait no, Moratti will just sack him.
Still we have our own problems
regards
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The Moratti comments look like a death sentence.
But let's be honest, it did look like a doomed relationship from the start; Mourinho's a better manager than Benitez, and bequeathing him a team that had just won everything wasn't leaving an awful lot of room for manoeuvre. So (relative) failure was always going to be the most likely outcome.
Haha , poor the Inter, they have it all to come, everyone else's fault , excuses, the next thing will be a Machiavellian war of attrition waged in the media against the President.......Oh wait no, Moratti will just sack him.
Still we have our own problems
regards
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The Moratti comments look like a death sentence.
But let's be honest, it did look like a doomed relationship from the start; Mourinho's a better manager than Benitez, and bequeathing him a team that had just won everything wasn't leaving an awful lot of room for manoeuvre. So (relative) failure was always going to be the most likely outcome.
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42120.msg1218871#msg1218871 date=1289846826]
I agree with neil. For all our problems, the top teams seem to be falling over themselves NOT to open up a gap at the top of the league. We could indeed have challenged for a top four place if we hadn't been so ineptly managed.
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The flaw in this logic is that you expect them to maintain their erratic form through the season while hoping that we are capable of putting together a run to vault them. They are more likely to put together a run of form than we are. We have more than 1 and a half a years worth of evidence backing it up. Looking at our squad, i shudder to think what might happen if Gerrard picks up a knock.
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Not guilty, my semi-namesake. You're putting words in my mouth. What I'm saying is twofold: (a) while they HAVE been erratic we should have remained much closer to them than we have, and (b) even afterwards we should at least be capable of not letting the gap widen.
Vlad and some of Roy's other defenders accuse his critics like me of blaming everything on him. Again, a big fat "Not Guilty" to that. There's not a single one of us who isn't aware of the problems Rafa left behind. That does not make us the kind of clueless rabble Roy's turned us into. The buck stops with him, and there's no adequate defence for his failure to measure up.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42120.msg1218871#msg1218871 date=1289846826]
I agree with neil. For all our problems, the top teams seem to be falling over themselves NOT to open up a gap at the top of the league. We could indeed have challenged for a top four place if we hadn't been so ineptly managed.
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The flaw in this logic is that you expect them to maintain their erratic form through the season while hoping that we are capable of putting together a run to vault them. They are more likely to put together a run of form than we are. We have more than 1 and a half a years worth of evidence backing it up. Looking at our squad, i shudder to think what might happen if Gerrard picks up a knock.
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Not guilty, my semi-namesake. You're putting words in my mouth. What I'm saying is twofold: (a) while they HAVE been erratic we should have remained much closer to them than we have, and (b) even afterwards we should at least be capable of not letting the gap widen.
Vlad and some of Roy's other defenders accuse his critics like me of blaming everything on him. Again, a big fat "Not Guilty" to that. There's not a single one of us who isn't aware of the problems Rafa left behind. That does not make us the kind of clueless rabble Roy's turned us into. The buck stops with him, and there's no adequate defence for his failure to measure up.
to be fair rafa struggled when he first arrived at liverpool as well.
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to be fair rafa struggled when he first arrived at liverpool as well.
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Sure. But we came 5th in the PL, got to the League Cup final and won the CL. I'd love to go through that struggle again.
to be fair rafa struggled when he first arrived at liverpool as well.
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Sure. But we came 5th in the PL, got to the League Cup final and won the CL. I'd love to go through that struggle again.
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